Best down suit for inactivity in -15 c ?

  • Andreas Winsnes
    Posts: 10
    #1579405

    Hi,

    It is said that down suits, like Mountain Hardwear Absolute Zero, can keep you warm at -55 c at low levels of inactivity, but they are used by explorers who usually move around alot (in Antarctica or on Everest).

    So I wonder if you guys, who sit still during fishing, can recommend down suits or similar gear, like Sno Suit, which are 100 percent guaranteed to keep you warm when sitting many hours in front of a tent at minus 15 c.

    I will not be on a lake, so it doesn’t need to float. Just want clothing that will keep me as warm as in my living room when sitting still outside my tent when camping in the winter.

    I got slight arthritis, so the gear really needs to be warm. Will a 1000 dollar expedition down suit be overkill at -15 c? Or perhaps you can recommend other types of clothing that are more effective at staying warm when just sitting still a whole afternoon or evening?

    Doug Larsen
    Minnesohtah
    Posts: 630
    #1579413

    I think so. I’m a thin guy, 165lbs and nearly 6′ tall and my Striker Ice Hardwater kept me warm at -40 windchills. I had every inch of me covered obviously, face included and Bunny Boots.

    wiel0059
    Posts: 59
    #1579414

    -15 C isn’t that cold, compared to what I ice fish in a lot days, to be honest… The Striker Ice Climate suit is rated for -30 F, or -34 C if the converter thing I’m using is right. And that is without any layering.

    I almost never use the liner on my coat / bibs because the gear is so warm. If you left the liner in AND layered, I honestly believe you’d be more than warm and you won’t be anywhere close to $1,000. I seriously have a buddy that wears his climate suit all winter with the liner in, and wears shorts and a t-shirt under it because he doesn’t like the feeling of layering and he is never cold. No joke. He fishes Northern MN regularly too.

    Just my two cents, maybe its not right for you, but the Striker stuff is more than just a floating suit, its the warmest gear I’ve ever owned. Good luck in your search!

    Andreas Winsnes
    Posts: 10
    #1579417

    Thanks for replies! Appreciate it a lot. Have spent a whole winter outside in Norway with suboptimal gear when I was younger, so now it’s reassuring to know that I can get clothing that will provide “creature comforts” to an old dog )

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1579423

    I think so. I’m a thin guy, 165lbs and nearly 6′ tall and my Striker Ice Hardwater kept me warm at -40 windchills. I had every inch of me covered obviously, face included and Bunny Boots.

    -40 C or F? whistling

    patk
    Nisswa, MN
    Posts: 1997
    #1579432

    @Andreas – out of curiosity where are you located and welcome to IDO.

    For us guys in the states -5C = 23F

    For where you will be camping is moisture a concern? Meaning Dry or dry snow or heavy wet snow and/or rain. How many days will you be out for? Will you have periods of high activity in addition to the sitting around time? Is -5c the overnight low, daytime high, or average?

    The reasons for the questions are recommending down vs synthetic and jacket/pant combo vs full suit.

    I can already say that the down one piece expedition suits from the likes of Mountain Hardwear, Marmot, North Face, etc will not be part of my recommendation.

    patk
    Nisswa, MN
    Posts: 1997
    #1579434

    Forgot another question.

    Durability of the fabric. What level of abrasion resistance do you need? If you’re just sitting, then almost none. If you’re doing camp work like carrying firewood, then some. If you’re doing more aggressive work, then high.

    Is space, packability, or weight a concern?

    Andreas Winsnes
    Posts: 10
    #1579435

    I live outside Oslo. If the gear is warm enough I can stay outside a whole winter since I enjoy mountains and forests. My main concern is humidity near the fjords. Not good if my slight arthritis get worse. So I’m really dependent on genuinely warm clothing, especially since I prefer to stay outside my tent as much as possible, sitting in a portable chair while studying math and physics under the starry sky.

    Andreas Winsnes
    Posts: 10
    #1579437

    Staying warm is more important than weight. Will use lighter gear when being more active, like skiing.

    -15 c is the highest, though I expect some days up to -30, but then I will be more active during daytime and stay in the tent in the evening.

    Andreas Winsnes
    Posts: 10
    #1579446

    Interesting, I guess you mean 35 celsius, right? And is the suit “living room”-warm when sitting still for hours at around -15 c?

    Btw, in Norway it’s not unheard of that some live a year outside in the wilderness. Guess it’s our kind of Australian walkabout or just the heritage from Nansen and Amundsen.

    At my age, however, it’s not healthy anymore to endure months of cold weather if the gear is not good enough. So appreciate your advice.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11646
    #1579456

    Andreas, please post some pictures from Norway and tell us about the fishing.

    For those of us who don’t speak metric, some handy-dandy temperature conversions:

    0 C = +32 F
    -5 C = +23 F
    -10 C = +14 F
    -15 C = +5 F
    -20 C = -4 F
    -25 c = -13 F
    -30 C = -22 F
    -35 C = -31 F
    -40 C = -40 F

    Grouse

    Andreas Winsnes
    Posts: 10
    #1579461

    Fishing? Well, we put our trust in Cod, and oil. Seriously, however, fishing is good, in small lakes up in the mountains or the Northern salmon rivers. Many have it as a hobby, combined with hunting.

    I’m not that into photography, but google “Lofoten” and you will see one of the beautiful places on Earth, with winter surfing and killer whale safaries.

    patk
    Nisswa, MN
    Posts: 1997
    #1579466

    tw, in Norway it’s not unheard of that some live a year outside in the wilderness. Guess it’s our kind of Australian walkabout or just the heritage from Nansen and Amundsen.

    Wow, I think I’m starting to get it. If you’re talking about living outdoors for days or weeks at a time without shelter that is a huge difference. Waaaayyyy more hardcore than any of us has done!

    In that case I would look at two options.
    Option 1: Follow the lead of high altitude mountaineers. Personally I would choose the equivalent pant/jacket instead of the one piece. Just more versatile: http://marmot.com/products/details/8000m-parka-new
    http://marmot.com/products/details/8000m-pant-new

    Slight variations would be for the bibs such as the Striker Climate. Less puffy, will handle moisture better like from perspiration, and the fabric is likely more durable. Con – probably not as warm but probably warm enough

    Option 2: Take a look at what people who live in the arctic wear.
    Jacket: https://www.canada-goose.com/us/en/men/parkas/
    and find bibs to go with them.

    For me, I have one of these arctic parkas. I only wear it one or two days a year when I absolutely don’t want to get cold and don’t care about weight. Flat out, it works.

    When I camp in the backcountry I have a down jacket from North Face but the Marmot Greenland would be my first choice today. Paired with insulated pants. That said, I’m only out for 2-3 days. Here space and weight are a concern as I’m traveling via snowshoe.

    Long story short – go get an arctic parka and really good bibs.

    Andreas Winsnes
    Posts: 10
    #1579469

    The expedition parka from Goose, which has been field tested by scientists in Antarctica, seems really good. Thanks for that inspiring advice! )

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1579525

    those of us who don’t speak metric, some handy-dandy temperature conversions:

    I hate the metric system. Get with the rest of the world.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1579540

    I think your asking the wrong crowd for advice but I’d like to hear more about what you do to stay warm in that type of condition

    ajaikens31
    Big Rapids, Michigan
    Posts: 163
    #1579546

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
    those of us who don’t speak metric, some handy-dandy temperature conversions:

    I hate the metric system. Get with the rest of the world.

    Are you being sarcastic?

    reverend
    Rhinelander, WI
    Posts: 1115
    #1579569

    I’m not that into photography, but google “Lofoten” and you will see one of the beautiful places on Earth

    I did this, and just have to say “Wow” and you’re right! Breathtaking, I can only imagine the awe it would inspire to witness firsthand!
    Is it true Norway has a “tradition”, if not outright law regarding the largely wide open access to (almost) all lands? I seem to remember something of the sort, along the lines of the “it’s all the people’s land” concept.
    Winter long camping trip-now you’ve got my sense of adventure peaked! Welcome to IDO friend, and hope to see some posts of your outdoor experiences in the future!
    wave
    -Reverend

    Andreas Winsnes
    Posts: 10
    #1579588

    In Norway one can walk almost everywhere as long as it is 150 meters from a house, and one can put up a tent almost anywhere too, presupoosing that one moves the tent after 2 days if staying in the vicinity of houses. It’s a law.

    When I wrote that we got some kind of walkabout tradition in Norway it only means that it is socially accepted to live outdoors, and people think it is cool if you do it.

    Here is a young woman living in a mountain cave:

    http://www.ba.no/nyheter/ida-19-bor-i-en-fjellhule/s/1-41-7276015

    Even children sleep outside on the veranda, like this 5 year old who wants to stay outside a whole winter, alone(!):

    http://www.abcnyheter.no/livet/2011/11/22/141349/david-5-vil-sove-ute-alene-i-hele-vinter

    This 52 year old sporty woman also sleeps outside the whole year:

    http://www.ta.no/nyheter/jeg-er-bygdas-eneste-uteligger/s/1-111-7340999

    And through the country we probably have many young men, like this “viking”, who have lived outside a whole winter or year just as a challenge and experience freedom:

    http://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/denne-mannen-bor-ute–helt-frivillig/3066012.html

    Our modern national heroes are Lars Monsen and Cecilie Skog:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Monsen

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecilie_Skog

    And finally we got all the men and women who want to be part of the Special Forces:

    http://thornews.com/2014/02/15/author-conversations-tom-bakkeli-inside-the-special-forces/

    Of 1400 applicants 10 women just finished the Special Forces training:

    http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/1400-fikk-tilbudet—ti-kvinner-kom-seg-gjennom-Forsvarets-ekstremutdanning-8133834.html

    Basically, when you live in small towns in Norway you can only do two things: enjoy nature and play computer games. So many stay outside, more or less, though materialism and a sedentary lifestyle have become the main rule now unfortunately. I have also become influenced by this modern trend, and enjoy it actually, but it’s not freedom.

    mnrabbit
    South Central Minnesota
    Posts: 815
    #1579631

    So I’m really dependent on genuinely warm clothing, especially since I prefer to stay outside my tent as much as possible, sitting in a portable chair while studying math and physics under the starry sky.

    I feel like this is J.D. again….

    ajaikens31
    Big Rapids, Michigan
    Posts: 163
    #1579633

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Andreas Winsnes wrote:</div>
    So I’m really dependent on genuinely warm clothing, especially since I prefer to stay outside my tent as much as possible, sitting in a portable chair while studying math and physics under the starry sky.

    I feel like this is J.D. again….

    You’re probably right haha

    Andreas Winsnes
    Posts: 10
    #1579647

    J.D…?

    Are you always this quick to pass judgement on people you don’t know?

    Anyway, I’m not here to participate in an immature online debate involving ad hominem arguments. I already got the information I needed, so if nobody has any better advice about good winter clothing I will just say:

    Bye bye and thanks for all the fish.

    patk
    Nisswa, MN
    Posts: 1997
    #1579653

    J.D…?
    Are you always this quick to pass judgement on people you don’t know?

    “J.D.” are the first initials for an active member here that many know well.

    This site is a smaller community where members have a little good natured fun with each other. Many of which meet on the site and then get out fishing together.

    I’m guessing the comments above are not pointed at you but referring to past posts or past shared experiences with J.D. Please don’t take that personally.

    Winter long camping trip-now you’ve got my sense of adventure peaked! Welcome to IDO friend, and hope to see some posts of your outdoor experiences in the future!

    -Reverend

    X2 for me on this one. Right now I can’t get to your links due to company security bit will check them out when I get home

    Andreas Winsnes
    Posts: 10
    #1579655

    No worries. No enlightened individual who is familiar with the Internet will take things personally if others make assumptions about him or her without knowing the person.

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