wolves vs bear dogs graphic pics

  • lick
    Posts: 6443
    #197313

    just got this email little scary im sure this goes on more than we know

    To: Subject: Wolves in Clark County killing bear hunting dogs Fw: Attention: ALIENS lurking in Clark County Forests

    Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 6:16 PM
    Subject: Attention: ALIENS lurking in Clark County Forests

    ATTACHED PHOTO’S ARE NOT FOR THE WEAK STOMACHED.

    The four attached pictures are the remains of a hound dog that was killed by wolves in the western Clark County forest on July 4, 2009.
    As of yesterday, August 1st, there have been three more hounds killed.
    Rick Nelson of Loyal, WI. was participating in the bear training season that opened statewide on July 1st on the Butler Lanes which are northwest of Rock Dam. They were in active pursuit of a bear when they heard a different type of bark from their 6 year old Bluetick. The group ran into the woods unarmed and were at the site within 15 minutes only to find the remains of a 60 pound bear hound that was attacked by a pack of wolves. The scarey part, Rick says, is the day before the attack his young kids were playing in the open grassy area on the same trail as the remains.
    Another dog was killed that same week in the Levis Mounds area in southern Clark County and Dave Murphy of Neillsville lost one to wolves last Saturday in the Abbotts Ranch trails. In that incident Dave heard a similar commotion and ran in to the woods and was brushed by one of his other hounds running out of the woods with three wolves chasing it. Dave, unarmed, confronted the wolves and managed to turn them away. Then ran in another 100 yards to find his hound lying dead on the trail.
    Just yesterday, another hunter in the Prey area found his dogs collar, a few intestines and part of the foot. Because there were not enough remains to study, the wolf experts claim they can not confirm that the hound was attacked by wolves. Therefor the only logical explination could be ALIENS.
    If you look at the DNR webpages on wolves, http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/er/mammals/wolf/dogdepred.htm , in the first 26 days of open bear/hound training season there have 8 confirmed hounds killed with another 6 injured throughout the state. For those that know Clark County, if you look at the maps and study the “caution areas” that the DNR recommends avoiding during training season, of the 133,000 acres of county forest there is a small portion at the north end and a small corner in the southeast end that are free to try.
    For those that don’t know, from July 1 – August 31, bear hunters are allowed to train their dogs and get them into shape for the fall hunting season. During the fall hunting season you are only allowed to pursue bear with hounds in the northern 1/3 of the state, basically above Hwy. 64. To save time and money, hunters train the hounds in their home areas during the July/August season. Hence Clark County and other areas south of Hwy. 64. The hunters are not allowed to carry weapons nor harm or injure the bear in any way. This activity/training period is no different that a person does with a bird dog, a show beagle, a riding horse, a cat on a leash or a runner training for their own marathon. You train to better your chances of success and enjoyment and to get in shape.. As for the dogs, they are doing what they were bred and created for.. For them, chasing a bear is equal to the pleasure for us of watching a good movie, going to a concert or having sex. They were trained to pursue bear not chasing wolves or fighting angry animals. Some may argue that God didn’t create these hounds for humans gain or pleasure. If that’s the case why did God create cats or hampsters or gold fish?
    Take this for what it’s worth. The pictures are harsh but they are reality. Feel free to take you children or your Fifi for a strool through the enchanted woods. But Beware – There are Aliens lurking in the Clark County Forest and they’re hungry!



    mpearson
    Chippewa Falls, WI
    Posts: 4338
    #54797

    And we deer hunt the Clark County Forest!

    DANPEARSON
    Central WI
    Posts: 594
    #54800

    Just a few miles from where we hunt, kind of scary when you have young children in the woods with you. Unfortunately, I don’t think anything will happen until they attack or kill someone.

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #54806

    I actually had a chance to be a part of a wolf research team in northern WI, near Butternut in the late 90’s. We did quite a bit of radio telemetry work and scat analysis. Depending on the time of the year and locations the pack ranged to, the majority of their diet was comprised of beaver with a few whitetails mixed in. This changed to almost all whitetails for certain other packs away from swamp country.

    Stories like this were not uncommon, esp. considering these dogs directly challenge the wolves in an area. This is something that apparently the wolves don’t take too kindly to. What I found amazing in that part of WI at least, was that these dog owners would knowingly charge their hounds (and $$$’s) into an area with a high amount of wolf activity, then be absolutely astounded where their entire fleet was cleaned out. I mean not to be insensitive to the plight of these dog owners, as you’d feel bad for any sportsman that lost his/her hunting dog. At the same time, this is a well-known issue with bear hounds and wolves.

    Not to mention, the wolf population in WI is drastically smaller than in MN with a population of around 550 animals total.

    As far as wolves posing direct threats to humans, there are other species that are FAR more concerning in terms of human fatalities throughout most of the US. Wolves are responsible for the same amount of deaths in North America as the wily coyote……one in recorded history.

    Joel

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #54817

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    Not to mention, the wolf population in WI is drastically smaller than in MN with a population of around 550 animals total.




    I am seriously doubting that guesstimate Joel…The UPs summer population has been set at over 1200 by the MDNR Wolve research team. Thats only the U.P.

    The Feds are seriously reducing all states Wolf team observed numbers to keep them on the endangered species list. Politics baby…Politics!

    Nov-April over 60% of the scat up here was deer bones/hair. per Houghton Tech Wolve telemetry teams from 2004-2008.

    We had a 3 year old girl killed and dragged from her yard last year up near Houghton but the “official” DNA (FEDS) showed a wolf/dog crossbreed. So another “Wolf” attack stayed out of the stats…A geologists was killed and eaten a couple years ago in Canada…results also showed crossbreed. Locally a pet Lab was killed and the owner chased into his garage last winter. The wolf was killed by the police and the Feds took it the next day…same result…Crossbreed

    Do we really care if they are crossbreeds? They look like wolves to me?

    Wolve sightings are so common up here they don’t even call them in anymore…

    As far as the dogs go…notice they ATE THEM…Its not about just not liking them…they LOVE Dog and Coyote meat…next to Beaver its their favorite.

    The men that live in Alaska really know wolves…we know very little comparatively. In Siberia wolves kill and eat several people per year…I’m glad our wolves here are more friendly!

    jonny p
    Waskish, MN
    Posts: 668
    #54838

    Previously 99.9% of the time wolves got a whiff of humans they where gone gray streaks for the tree line. Now with our wolf population growing out of control in MN we are starting to see more wolf activity all the time. Calf kills are way up as are sightings and trail cam pics. No doubt we have a very healthy wolf population and some dogs never do come home.

    Now as I read this I have to agree with Joel Nelson. Don’t get me wrong Joel and I have had this debate many times and to be honest he is not allowed to talk about wolves anymore or he becomes wolf bait to prove it all wrong…but he is correct about the dogs. Wolves will go through great lengths to kill dogs or a coyote, trouble is coyotes do what coyotes do, they run like the wind. Dogs, especially coon/cat/bear and sled dogs will challenge and attempt to tree just about anything. Basically what happens is a couple wolves stall the barking dog/dogs out while others circle around and attack from behind. Ugly either way and Fido didn’t stand a chance from the time he picked up the scent. In fact bear don’t even mess with the wolves, one whiff of gray dog and they are gone or up a tree.

    As Joel was saying it is tough to see but if you don’t want to loose dogs don’t run them in wolf areas. Wolves do like meat and will not tolerate other K9 intruders on their turf.

    DANPEARSON
    Central WI
    Posts: 594
    #54857

    I have to agree with Tom G. as far as politics go. With groups like PETA getting stronger and keeping the heat on the Feds, I don’t see where the wolves will be taken off the endangered species list. If the WI DNR cannot estimate our deer herd, how do they (we) know what the population of our wolves are? I know a few friends and relatives who hunt the Northern part of Wisconsin and they will tell you that as they witnessed the increased population of wolves, they saw a decrease in the deer herd. In some cases they are lucky to see a single deer during the 9 day gun season. Now we are starting see wolves much further south in the state because IMO the food is more plentiful and the hunting is easier. The farmers in the area too are complaining about losing livestock, but nothing happens. All I am saying is that I do believe there should be an open season on the wolves to keep their numbers in check.

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #54859

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    Not to mention, the wolf population in WI is drastically smaller than in MN with a population of around 550 animals total.



    I am seriously doubting that guesstimate Joel…The UPs summer population has been set at over 1200 by the MDNR Wolve research team. Thats only the U.P.
    The Feds are seriously reducing all states Wolf team observed numbers to keep them on the endangered species list. Politics baby…Politics!
    Nov-April over 60% of the scat up here was deer bones/hair. per Houghton Tech Wolve telemetry teams from 2004-2008.
    We had a 3 year old girl killed and dragged from her yard last year up near Houghton but the “official” DNA (FEDS) showed a wolf/dog crossbreed. So another “Wolf” attack stayed out of the stats…A geologists was killed and eaten a couple years ago in Canada…results also showed crossbreed. Locally a pet Lab was killed and the owner chased into his garage last winter. The wolf was killed by the police and the Feds took it the next day…same result…Crossbreed
    Do we really care if they are crossbreeds? They look like wolves to me?
    Wolve sightings are so common up here they don’t even call them in anymore…
    As far as the dogs go…notice they ATE THEM…Its not about just not liking them…they LOVE Dog and Coyote meat…next to Beaver its their favorite.
    The men that live in Alaska really know wolves…we know very little comparatively. In Siberia wolves kill and eat several people per year…I’m glad our wolves here are more friendly!


    Yah, I’ve got no idea how accurate their estimates are, but I’m betting they’re not far off. The UP has quite a bit more prime wolf habitat, and less people.

    I’m not a wolf-lover, nor am I anti-wolf, but for some reason this animal garners either hatred or gleeful protection.

    Facts are facts, and each mountain lions, grizzly bears….heck, even the common bison have killed far more people than wolves have even been suspected of killing. Of all the wolf attacks ever documented, nearly 80% have involved wolves that were fed human food. It’s no secret that an fearless wolf is a bad wolf. Where you have an abundance of human/wolf interaction, you’ve got alot more dangerous situation which needs more control. The current situation is out of balance IMO.

    Wolf re-listing occurred because the western states that I once lived in, had a hard time playing by the rules. Rather than adopt reasonable control/management strategies, they challenged the fed with a “kill-em-all” attitude, thus forcing their hand and ultimately causing re-enlistment.

    We’re all entitled to our opinions, and I don’t mean to step on any toes, just offer mine. That opinion is that there should be responsible control, just like any other species. WI manages their deer herd to have 20 deer per square mile. Pre-settlement, that was historically about 1-2 deer per square mile. While I don’t want them to institute mass whitetail killings, it smacks of the preference we have for certain game animals over others.

    I was told in Yellowstone that it was a bad fishing year, the summer of 2000. The wolves kill ALL the elk, which aren’t around to eat the grass, so the grass grows rampant and sucks all the water out of the rivers, so there’s no more trout. For anyone that’s ever been to Yellowstone, they know how crazy that statement really is.

    Hopefully cooler heads will prevail to balance out this issue between the feds/states in the nearby future!

    Joel

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #54885

    Great post Joe…
    I’m with you on the scheme of things. I feel Wolves were re-introduced up here w/o really knowing the consequences…which were far reaching!
    To add these efficient predators to a over grown Bear population spells serious trouble for our deer herd.
    Once man messes with the natural order…we call it management.

    jonny p
    Waskish, MN
    Posts: 668
    #54984

    If that’s the case we need to ship out all of the whitetails out of Northern Minnesota and bring the dense Moose and Caribou herds back into my neck of the woods. That also means the Buffalo need to be put back into the graze lands of Southern MN and who is going to go catch all these wild turkeys and get them shipped back to the southern reaches and out of all the places they have been introduced?

    Lets not even begin to fathom the snow geese, sand hill cranes, trumpeter swans, cougars and the fish, holy heck we have the fish all sorts of messed up.

    The reintroduction of wolves is 90% media and 10% purpose.

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #55016

    RR…Johnny P is correct…

    It is impossible to choose ANY animal that “naturally” existed over 100 years when their time has expired due to environmental or societal changes and try to “correct” its return…There were NO whitetail deer in the upper Midwest back then when the Wolves originally flourished but Moose and Barren Land Caribou. Climactic and GeoPhysical changes, along with the Pioneers ended the existance of the wolve’s food source and eventually…the wolf.

    Collared wolves from the Upper Peninsula have been recovered as far as Indiana, Illinois, Southern Wisc. and Minnesota.

    I don’t think a small team of Upper Pensinula “Wolf proponents”…starting with 1 pack of seven wolves had the right to “reintroduce” the most efficient killing machine in N America to all these states w/o their input? Those 7 have grown to probably well over 2,000 within 500 miles of my house…

    From 1750 thru the late 1800s there are many historical accounts of wolf attacks on settlers, ranchers, Indians Trappers and Mountain men…but our current Govt believes them all to be fiction… I personally don’t. Alaskans shoot them at will…I wonder why?

    No offense here RR but when you personally see the carnage they do frequently…you may change your thinking.

    As I reported, a little girl was killed and partially eaten very close to her home. Wolf or WolfDog hybrid…who cares? Several domestic pets and farm animals have been killed also.

    Legally…if an “Endangered Species” attacks one of your little girls you cannot shoot it…you must call the DNR…

    Sorry but this issue is real up here…

    steve_white
    St Germain, WI
    Posts: 208
    #55565

    Joel- Things have changed a lot in the last 10 years. Wolves are getting to be all over the place. Last estimate by the DNR had a top number of 680. Really that is not even close. The USDA know that but the state will not admit it. There are packs all over that unless a so called expert seems them they don’t exsist. I report at least 1 new pack every year. Always get blown off. Best example is one I first reported 4 yrs ago. Finally they exsited in the 3rd year as they started killing dogs. Been trying to find the home area of another new pack. The visit a few areas every winter I hunt. Last year 2 of them got into a battle with each other. DNR would not come out and look at the evidence. As then they would have to admit another pack.

    Nobody charges in with their dogs to wolf territory. In a lot of cases there were not wolves there before. Then you find out the hard way. Dogs are getting eaten on the chain in backyards. Getting attacked while guys are bird hunting. Attacked while you are taking a hike on one of our nice trails. So you see it is not just hunting dogs anymore. Legally you can do nothing about it.

    The whole 1 documented attack thing is hogwash. Doesn’t take much more than a net search to see that. Most of the time in North America it gets covered up real quick! Especially in the states! They will play it off as something else. Wasn’t a wollf , but a hybrid, etc.. Tom know about this as I believe it was a 5yr old boy that got killed not far from him by Houghton. That got played off as a hybrid. Now, you can’t even find any info on it. Funny how that happened. I have had several encounters with them that could have gone bad real quick. Even had my daughter in the line of fire once. Even ole Mario could not drive faster that day than I did. The rumbling of a 3/4 ton diesel suburban luckily was enough to thwart an attack. Maybe not the next time.

    As these populations continue to boom things are going to get far worse.

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #55570

    I really appreciate the post Steve…There is a huge political cover up going on to keep the Wolves on the endangered list amd reintrodouce them as part of someone’s fantasy to return the US to some former pristine natural ecosystem.
    They have put the Fox in the hen house and I hate to think of it but another child is bound to be killed soon…as winter rolls in and the wolves get hungrier and bolder. The deer are moving closer to town and the domestic animal attacks are becoming more frequent.

    steve_white
    St Germain, WI
    Posts: 208
    #55580

    Tom, I wish we could come up with some of the info, news article etc about that wolf attack by you.

    I thought of this thread after visiting the WI DNR site a little bit ago. I was looking at the official DNR count of wolf kills. Bogus number! Anyhue, They added a new line in the how to prevent wolf attacks for pet owners in the wolf range. Which is now all of WI. This is how it is written.
    # Avoid releasing dogs outside for bathroom breaks after dark except in areas with good lighting or fenced.

    Gee, I guess no pet is safe anymore. Soon they will be telling anyone that lives in a forested area not to go out after dark.

    I guess these pro wolf folks living in the big city want us country folk to have to live like they do. In fear of going outside at night. Except instead of getting mugged, we may get eaten!

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #55585

    Quote:


    Tom, I wish we could come up with some of the info, news article etc about that wolf attack by you.

    I thought of this thread after visiting the WI DNR site a little bit ago. I was looking at the official DNR count of wolf kills. Bogus number! Anyhue, They added a new line in the how to prevent wolf attacks for pet owners in the wolf range. Which is now all of WI. This is how it is written.
    # Avoid releasing dogs outside for bathroom breaks after dark except in areas with good lighting or fenced.

    Gee, I guess no pet is safe anymore. Soon they will be telling anyone that lives in a forested area not to go out after dark.

    I guess these pro wolf folks living in the big city want us country folk to have to live like they do. In fear of going outside at night. Except instead of getting mugged, we may get eaten!


    Steve:

    First off, I want to welcome you to IDO! Your experience as a bear guide makes us 3-deep in such ranks, and without a doubt the best place to find bear (and other hunting info) on the net!

    Regarding wolves, it definitely is a touchy situation. My background with them is as-stated, plus I spent a stint out in Yellowstone doing some mapping and associated work with some of the folks responsible for their re-introduction out there. People out there were the same, love or hate.

    While we might disagree on a massive governmental cover-up, driven by politico’s within spitting distance of a fancy coffee-shop, I think we can both agree on the fact that they’re not going anywhere soon, and more wolf/man conflict is bound to happen. Just as it has with mountain lions, bison, and the grizzly bear to a much larger extent.

    I mean not to make light of the situation either, as the woods of today in those areas certainly isn’t the woods of our youth. Still, backwoods vigilantism has always kept numbers in check somewhat. I’ll always remember watching a wolf in a clearing while moose-hunting in NE MN, then being almost shot myself for not killing the wolf when relaying the story at a local bar. Proud hunters that day had killed 3 wolves that week, and weren’t ashamed to tell of many other kills.

    The funny part is that I don’t really have that big a soft spot for the animals. I too have felt the hair on the back of my neck stand up when hunting in the northwoods, or camping/fishing out west. Also, I agree with Jonny in that we’ve managed the wild out of the woods, and have created a food-rich environment that wolves have no choice but to be overpopulated in (eventually, even 1000 is a small fraction of what other states have within the same or less habitat). However, they’re an impressive predator that demands respect IMHO, just like all other animals. If the emotion of wolves was taken out of the equation, I think it would be a different debate, from both ends of the table.

    If sportsmen could put together a logical argument for the responsible control of wolf populations, without the kill-em-all attitude that’s been prevalent thus far, I think there would be a de-listing. Biology and wildlife management needs to be the talk.

    Joel

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18605
    #55628

    I had one eyeball my golden last year while grouse hunting. Luckily she was close to me when the wolf and I made eye contact. The wolf faded away into the brush. Made the hair on my neck standup but I felt pretty confident with my scattergun in hand.

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #55638

    Well written Joe…
    I have a good friend that was a (now retired) regional wildlife manager here for the MIDNR. He told me that they were blatantly rebuked by the Feds for publishing their Wolf numbers from their research teams.
    The Feds arbitrarily reduced state biologist numbers and went with numbers from two experts brought in by the National Timber Wolf Alliance (New York City)… Hence their return to the Endangered Species List…

    jonny p
    Waskish, MN
    Posts: 668
    #55651

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    I agree with Jonny in that we’ve managed the wild out


    As we where saying: Here is a pic from my cel phone last night of a wolf running along side of my pickup after I stopped, hit the brakes and then drove back along side of it in reverse to take the picture. Try taking a picture with your cell phone while going in reverse while the wolf keeps changing direction. He is crouched and making another turn just as I took the shot, that and the great qaulity of a cel phone camera I was happy I even got that much of a photo. But what the heck? Normaly you would get a glimpse of one jetting across the road, this one waited for me to get out of the way before crossing as if I was holding him up.

    Must have been one of those dog wolf cross deals we hear so much about.

    For the record several locals through the homestead years tried very hard to cross both wild and captured wolves with sled dogs to make the ultimate sled dog. The dog was killed every time so how this claimed cross breeding happens is beyond me. But I will tell you this one was one big trotting SOB.

    I did email Joel ASAP and ask him if I should be a radio collar on it…I thought it was funny.

    lick
    Posts: 6443
    #55740

    First off, I want to welcome you to IDO! Your experience as a bear guide makes us 3-deep in such ranks, and without a doubt the best place to find bear (and other hunting info) on the net

    Joel


    im thining we are 4 deep sounds like GMAN knows a thing or 2 about bear hunting well if your talking about broadheads anyhow the rest hes keeping a secret i guess

    welcome aboard steve

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #55754

    Quote:


    For the record several locals through the homestead years tried very hard to cross both wild and captured wolves with sled dogs to make the ultimate sled dog. The dog was killed every time so how this claimed cross breeding happens is beyond me.


    There are a couple Trappers locally that spent several years in Alaska. They really laugh at the wolf/dog hybrid BS from the tree huggers. As you said, Dogs are like Snickers Bars to wolves. They love them as much as beaver.

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #55783

    Quote:


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    I agree with Jonny in that we’ve managed the wild out


    As we where saying: Here is a pic from my cel phone last night of a wolf running along side of my pickup after I stopped, hit the brakes and then drove back along side of it in reverse to take the picture. Try taking a picture with your cell phone while going in reverse while the wolf keeps changing direction. He is crouched and making another turn just as I took the shot, that and the great qaulity of a cel phone camera I was happy I even got that much of a photo. But what the heck? Normaly you would get a glimpse of one jetting across the road, this one waited for me to get out of the way before crossing as if I was holding him up.

    Must have been one of those dog wolf cross deals we hear so much about.

    For the record several locals through the homestead years tried very hard to cross both wild and captured wolves with sled dogs to make the ultimate sled dog. The dog was killed every time so how this claimed cross breeding happens is beyond me. But I will tell you this one was one big trotting SOB.

    I did email Joel ASAP and ask him if I should be a radio collar on it…I thought it was funny.


    That’s just one of Gursky’s sled dogs let loose from the UP. Just like Waskish, you typically have to breed your own form of transportation.

    Joel

    lick
    Posts: 6443
    #55788


    That’s just one of Gursky’s sled dogs let loose from the UP. Just like Waskish, you typically have to breed your own form of transportation.

    Joel


    whittsend
    Posts: 2389
    #56041

    I’m not extremely knowledgeable about wolves or wolf history, but I do think that the arguement for “bringing back the natural order of things” or “rebalancing nature” just doesn’t hold much water… The “natural order” has never seen human populations this high, along with a plethora of other human-influenced ecological problems…

    Humans scratched and clawed their way into the modern era and then populations exploded as life became easier and safer; extirpation of the wolf species was an artifact of human expansion. Whether it was greed, human population safety issues, profit, whatever…. Wolves were removed when the human population was at a much lower level than it is today. Now we have millions of people in the state, with the number one industry (?) being tourism in N WI, drawing tons of non-residents annually… I just don’t understand how government or other groups can say that wolves have been returned to their “natural state”, and the “natural order” has been restored… It was way out of wack to begin with…

    I guess I don’t think that an ever expanding wolf population (of 500-1000 animals possibly in WI??) can co-exist for very much longer without tragic incidence(s) with an also every expanding rural-sprawling human population… It would be great to co-exist without problem, but sooner or later something bad will happen (or will keep happening). Humans live in a very safe, very sheltered world compared to years past. We built it this way by choice. Self preservation is certainly programmed into every species, humans included. There are very, VERY few people who could actually survive indefinitely in the wild without modern conveniences/advancements/medicine/etc., (e.g, our human manufactured “safetys”…) I’m not saying re-introducing wolves will undo all of the safety nets that humans have built for themselves, but given todays increasingly rural-sprawling, increasingly plentiful yet non-woods-wise human populations, it might be a step in the wrong direction, at least for more heavily populated areas like WI… I just know I wouldn’t want it to be me or my kids when I take a trip to N WI (or in my own backyard, for that matter in EC…)

    But like I said, I’m no expert….

    Mike

    perchhead
    Posts: 329
    #56421

    I guess if we see wolves they just need to go swimming like a buddy of mine says when they hunt noth of grand rapids.

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #56432

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    I guess if we see wolves they just need to go swimming like a buddy of mine says when they hunt noth of grand rapids.


    Please see this post – More wolves…

    Joel

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