Which Broadheads for Bear?

  • Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #197309

    Having a hard time deciding which head to use for bear this fall!!! I’ve had great luck with various fixed-blade heads for years on whitetails, but have recently switched over the rage two-blade for deer/turkeys with equally successful results. The last deer I shot with the rage 2-blade was a complete pass-thru at 35yds, and the deer didn’t make it 50 yards.

    I’ve never hunted bear before, wondering what choice you’d make on some of the top whitetail heads, as I’d like them to pull double-duty if possible!

    jonny p
    Waskish, MN
    Posts: 668
    #54565

    To really pull double duty for whitetails that die if you scare them bad enough and bear that can stop cannon balls then chase you back up the tree is a tough call. For the whitetails you are looking for pin point shot placement and the most cut/bleed area you can create. With bear you want the same thing but you have to shoot through the equivalent of a radial tire to get to the vitals.

    What I look for in a bear broadhead is “long & lean”. Such as the Woodman, Magnus Snuffer, Original Howard Hill, Muzzy Phantom or any blade the has a 3:1 ratio (three times as long as wide). Bear have a hide that is tough and VERY elastic, wide blades tend to deflect, not penetrate or even “skin out” when an arrow follows the layers of the hide from a high angle shot. A long & lean blade penetrates easier and penetrates deeper if not a clean pass through shot…perfection.

    This also gets me into the mechanical broadheads. Bear with all of the fat, thick skin, hair, heavy bones and ability to close up a non-exit wound in short order makes the mechanical broadhead a very risky choice. Not to knock on mechanical blades but they just don’t have it for bear, I have seen some real bad hits from great placed shots due to mechanical blades not doing as advertised or busting apart at the steel cage bears use as ribs.

    The advent of mechanical blades came when compound bows started breaking the 260 feet per second mark along with the lack of hunters tuning their bows. Mechanical blades where a quick fix for improper arrow flight at high speeds, if you are going to hunt bear take the time or spend the money to have your bow tuned! Get those arrows flying straight and shoot a fixed blade broadhead. Not only will it up your odds for a clean killed bear it will improve your range, trajectory, accuracy and in many cases will settle down and quiet up your bow.

    My vote for a double duty blade for the compound archers would have to go to the Thunderhead or Muzzy (even if they are a bit short) for strength, durability and the chisel tip that does well with bone impacts. For those of use that shoot the long bows or recurves take a look at the Magnus Snuffer line and the Woodsman blades for some great cut on contact that have been proven bear droppers.

    whitetails4ever
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 756
    #54601

    GMAN’s bear took a 2-blade rage last year, complete pass through on a quartering away shot. I wouldn’t be afraid to shoot a rage at one after seeing what that one did.

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #54615

    I’ve met G-man, and I know he hangs with other tough guys like you. I don’t pull 90lbs.

    Joel

    jonny p
    Waskish, MN
    Posts: 668
    #54635

    Let me put it this way: When you show up at bear camp with a mechanical blade(the wider the blade the worse) we (the trackers) cancel our plans for the next morning as we most likely will be tracking until 5 am and we will give you a rash of it.

    Yes I have seen bear dropped with wider mechanical blades from a perfect shot in perfect conditions, the bear went 12-20 yards at most. In fact one the nastiest archery wounds I ever seen was from a three blade Rage. Now throw in poor shot placement due to “the fever”, unseen brush, arrow deflection or that one rib bone with a mechanical blade that needs tighter tolerances and it is a very long night carawling through the brush trying to not get jumped by a wounded bear defending himself.

    Im sticking to my fixed blade long and lean on this one. I like em as they make my job easy.

    Rule 1 Drop them on the pile

    Rule 2 NO sows n cubs

    Rule 4 Drop em on the pile

    Rule 5 Do not leave your stand early

    Rule 6 Drop em on the pile

    jason_ramthun
    Byron MN
    Posts: 3376
    #54661

    I don’t care what blade you use poor shot placement is poor shot placement . ( or we don’t make poor shots with fixed blades)?? Don’t get me wrong I have used Thunderheads for about 20 years but have put the Rage 2 blade in the mix now and I tell you what they have kicked some on deer and bear .

    jason_ramthun
    Byron MN
    Posts: 3376
    #54663

    Quote:


    I’ve met G-man, and I know he hangs with other tough guys like you. I don’t pull 90lbs.

    Joel


    Hey Joel , get rid of the stick bow and you could shoot 70lbs

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #54689

    Quote:


    I don’t care what blade you use poor shot placement is poor shot placement . ( or we don’t make poor shots with fixed blades)?? Don’t get me wrong I have used Thunderheads for about 20 years but have put the Rage 2 blade in the mix now and I tell you what they have kicked some on deer and bear .


    I’m with you GMAN. I’ve killed 5 animals thus far with the rage 2-blade, last one being a doe at 35 yards with a complete pass thru. Never seen a blood trail like I have with these heads, and one of the deer shot was liver. A little far back, but you’d think I’d exploded the heart judging from how close to my stand it piled up.

    That said, a 400lb bear isn’t a deer, and the ribs/shoulders are thicker. There’s a very good chance (if I do my part right) that I could be trying to put an arrow into a good bear, and having never shot at a bear I want to give myself as much room for error as possible.

    Thinking about the G5 montec, or maybe the 3blade rage, we’ll see.

    Thanks for the advice, looking for as many opinions as I can!

    Joel

    jason_ramthun
    Byron MN
    Posts: 3376
    #54698

    This was from a Rage 2 blade and the bear was 410 pounds. Blood trail was just crazy and he didn’t have a drop left in him But many good fixed blades that will work just fine ! ( Thunderhead or Muzzy ) would # 1 on my list for fixed !

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #54700

    Congrats on a helluva bear GMAN.

    You’re pulling 70? I’m at 63 right now and haven’t had issues with arrow penetration or 2 blade rage performance either.

    Joel

    jason_ramthun
    Byron MN
    Posts: 3376
    #54702

    Yepper I’m shooting 70lbs, and I know guys that are at 60lbs and having no problems with them.

    whitetails4ever
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 756
    #54728

    I would stay away from the montec if you are set on a fixed blade. I had a bad experience with them, they are soft. My personal favorite for fixed blade cut on contact are Steelforce.

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11374
    #54732

    I’m with WT. My favorite Fixed blade head was the Steel Force. Big G you still shooting those?

    My biggest two bucks I ever shot (176″ & 140″) were with this blade and after rinsing them off not a scratch on them. One was a pass through broadside shot and it busted his rib cage and the other was slightly quartering away and I hit far shoulder and was lodged in there when I found my buck. The two bucks combined did not make it 90 yards. But again shot placement is key as both of these hits were solid.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22424
    #54744

    Yep… Steelforce I had a couple bad experiences with the Snyper mechanicals… haven’t had the nerve to go back and try the Rage… but I hear alot of good about em I am kind of an old dog, if it works, I stick with it

    robhood23
    Posts: 214
    #54795

    I agree with Johnny on this one! 160Gr Snuffer will do the trick, at least shooting trad! I have had very poor experience with the steelforce, the heads are razor sharp but I have not seen a good blood trail from one yet!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22424
    #54796

    See rules # 1,4 & 6….. Blood trails are for bad shots/broadheads…. JK

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #54807

    Great post Johnny P…
    I agree completely with you…Yes, in my 27 years guiding Deer and Bear archers I have seen a few really devastating kills with mechs but far too many wounded and lost animals.
    Gman nice bears…but thats only a few…after you’ve been on 100 Bear blood trails, you start to see patterns with different broadheads and archery combinations. I noticed you did not catch the shoulder blade on that bear. I shot 80lb compounds up until a few years ago with 650gr arrows…I had a NAP Spitfire explode by catching the shoulder blade edge…never saw that bear again. I have penetrated shoulders with Zwickys, Steelforce, and Phantoms before…not that I tried, but in low light angles can fool you.
    If you are shooting a modern, high performance compound accurately at 70#…you would be at my MINIMUM comfort zone as a Bear Guide with a wide Mech head.
    An exit would is absolutely ESSENTIAL in bear recovery…penetration(pass thru) is also essential.

    whitetails4ever
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 756
    #54810

    I may have miss read all these posts, but I don’t see anyone saying you have to shoot a 2 blade rage at a bear. Everyone gave their opinions of both their favorite expandible and fixed heads.

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #54815

    A 2 blade is a poor option for bear as it creates a “slit” that can easily plug up with a wad of fat and end your blood trail…

    jonny p
    Waskish, MN
    Posts: 668
    #54824

    Quote:


    A 2 blade is a poor option for bear as it creates a “slit” that can easily plug up with a wad of fat and end your blood trail…


    That and if those 2″ wide bades hit sidways in the ribs I get the same story. “It went KATHUNK and the bear bolted, I could hear him running for a long time but I found my arrow about twenty yards down the trail.”

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #54877

    Yup…Montecs look good but I had two clients that had em break on ribs…big vents with thinner metal support…weaker heads on big stuff.

    jason_ramthun
    Byron MN
    Posts: 3376
    #54927

    Man, I guess I will just get my gun out so I can drop’em on the pile

    P.S. Tom , as a “guide” why are you shooting bears in the shoulder ?? Since you are calling me out about using a Rage and since I have just been on a FEW blood trails for Bear since you know so much about me in all ….

    Scott Mueller
    Coon Rapids, MN
    Posts: 125
    #55020

    I used a Rage 3 blade last year and it went through the vitals and loged in the opposite shoulder,had blood within 3 feet and my bear within 40 yards,the broadhead had to be cut out,the blades were completely intact and straight,i don’t think you can go wrong with either 2 or 3 blade

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #55097

    Cuz that was 30 years ago and I was stupid…Thought 85lbs and a 600gr arrow would do it…

    I don’t recall “calling you out” or criticizing your use of Rage Broadheads…You are correct I don’t know that you haven’t killed 20,30,50 bears or more. I’m basing that on your avatar picture and compared to a 63yr old f@rt like me you look like a kid in his late 30s

    I was asked to share 27 years of hunting and guiding Bears here…thats all I’m doing. I expect you are here to do the same…we all have opinions.

    Guys that do this for a living for 25-30 years start piling up a lot of experiences on many, many bear kills and track jobs. I meant no offense and respect your opinions as well as mine or anyone elses. Its easy to mistake meanings/motives with only text….

    jason_ramthun
    Byron MN
    Posts: 3376
    #55125

    You are right I am 34 and you are a old f@rt J/K ( I wouldn’t call that old Tom ) I was just trying to make a point just because I’m 34 don’t mean I don’t know anything . I started out hunting with my dad when I was 5 years old and at the age of 34 I have been all over the country hunting big game! It’s a great gift at this age to know and done so many dif things . As for bear hunting we have about 8 to 10 guys that go with us every year and we have many trick also that do work well getting these big bears to come in . (as for blood trails) the worst one I ever seen was from a 30/30 .. I want others to learn as you do but if I post something and you as guides say it don’t work ??? What fun it that ! Lets move forward and I hope I can learn something from you also … Happy Hunting

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #55143

    Quote:


    You are right I am 34 and you are a old f@rt J/K ( I wouldn’t call that old Tom


    Lots of guys do and it aint bad to be humbled once in a while!

    Sounds like you guys have been at it more than long enough to share a lot of good experiences with us. I do see the mech bheads as something I am very interested in…because any way a bowhunter can shorten blood trails and cause quicker kills is a GOOD thing.
    I start seeing more bears with holes like yours I will be apt to try a Rage. I am thinking of starting this Deer season…Which would you recommend with 50-52# of KE?

    steve_white
    St Germain, WI
    Posts: 208
    #55583

    Well, before I get into the type of broadhead I use. I will say this when I have a client that wants to use the bow I make them shoot a target first. I don’t care if you are Ted Nugent. You hunt with me you will shot or go home. First at a ground target while standing. Then depending on if you are bait sitting or shooting over my hounds. You will shoot from a tree stand, or at a bear target hung in the tree. We will then make the corrections needed. Still stuff happens, but if I can reduce them than I will.

    Now, what do I use. Well for a long time now I have been shooting the 3 blade Splitfire. Have never had a problem with them opening or leaving a very nice hole. Never had one break yet either. I have reused many on deer. Others that are bent bad, or such. If I do not change the blades I use on small game. Even bent the still do the job.

    Have yet to use the rage. This will be the year I do. Will be hard as I will catch a lot of crap for it. As a good friend of mine owns the company that makes the blades for NAP.

    Really if your are proficent with your weapon of choice a field point will take any game out there. No differnet than a .22. like is said on the tv show all the time. Shoot more, and shoot more often!

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #55957

    I agree Steve. I also have my clients shoot…bow or rifle. I have a McKenzie Bear that is a good example of a minimum shooter bear.
    I have a 15 tgt 3D course behind my storage building/Bow shop and I also have an elevated 15′ ladder stand. I critique their shooting and make shot placement suggestions. If they are really bad…they do NOT hunt, get their money back minus deposit. I tell them this up front and in my hunt agreement.
    I do give them the option of using my .356 Winchester instead of the bow (to salvage their lost PPoints), IF they can shoot the Winnie good.

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