Didn’t realize you own the water.

Whats the deal with people thinking areas are “secret” out there on the river. Man Justin and I were pounding a pad point on pool 8 today, because we were fun fishing and didn’t care how many we stuck out of it. Some guy just pulls up and starts giving us crap and basically saying that I am the reason why so many people fish the area. A direct quote- guy: “you gonna post those pictures on the website and get everybody and their brother out here pounding this” me:”you know, I just might have to do that for ya.” I actually have never fished that point in my life, but considering it is right off a main slough and matched exactly with the pattern we were using, I didn’t understand what was so secret about it. I personally don’t really care if anyone thinks my posts are promoting certain areas of the pool, because no matter what anybody does, it’s not going to stop fishing attraction to those areas. They ARE NOT SECRETS, and people fish these areas for a reason, because time after time, they produce nice fish.

I know whoever this person was will probably read this but I don’t really care. He wasn’t nice to me, so I don’t mind calling out the guy with the flat, 25 horse early 2000’s merc, and minnkota maxxum trolling motor fishing near Stoddard WI today.

Thank you for allowing me to vent.

Have a nice day.

So where are the pics?????????????

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Gonna find jerks no matter where ya go. Hope you didn’t let him ruin you day in the least. Post the pics, and have a smile.

Let me play devil’s advocate here for just a moment. If I or anybody else were to ask you where you were catching fish on a particular day, would you tell them? The answer to that is more than likely a resounding “No”. Why? Because you will keep them secret from anybody so they don’t fish them.
That is one of my big issues with fishing for bass is all the “secrets” and “my fish”, and “my areas” that are so prevalent with a large portion of the bass side of fishing. Learning and teaching others is just about extinct due to the pressure and popularity of the sport.

Some people “get it” and some don’t. Personally…I’m one that just doesn’t “get it”.

Aren’t 99% of the bass guys catch and release?

If they are…then MY fish today can be YOUR fish tomorrow.

I don’t think it matters much if it’s Bass, Walleye or Cats… there will always be some folks that don’t believe in sharing stories and fishing info….and you’ll find them lurking on this and other sites to use the info that’s posted to they’re advantage…never sharing. In my mind, they are the same as the person who doesn’t believe in catch and release/selective harvest. They take info…but never release any.

I’m thinking this and other fishing websites would be pretty dull if we followed this guys example Cade.

So…going to the same spot today?

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A direct quote- guy: “you gonna post those pictures on the website and get everybody and their brother out here pounding this” I actually have never fished that point in my life, but considering it is right off a main slough and matched exactly with the pattern we were using, I didn’t

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Good post ! A point off a main slough is a pattern that anbody could figure out. If I followed his theory, I would think that all lake maps should be banned too.. cause they show you all the sweet spots..He should criticize the DNR for posting lake maps, too ! How dare they advertise all inside turns, lake depths & points for everyone to see !

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Some guy just pulls up and starts giving us crap and basically saying that I am the reason why so many people fish the area.

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Cade,

Obviously this guy is off base with his reasoning. Unless Christ himself said, “Fish near Stoddard on lily points,” I don’t think an IDA post will greatly effect the number of fishermen who may come to one particular area. For the most part, people fish lower pool 8 (or any other body of water) because it is near where they live.

So keep posting! I appreciate posts that give good information on patterns (not GPS coord’s!) that are working. Sometimes that info works in the areas I fish, and sometimes it doesn’t so I figure it out on my own.

How about you post a pic of this grumpy fellow?

Curt

What an idoit… I would have just laughed at him!

Yer just a big troublemaker aint ya Cade
Wonder if this is the same guy who was raising hell last winter?? Was he an older fellow – late 50’s early 60’s ??
Don’t let him get to you……….It is everybody’s river..
Just smile and shake your head……..

I am growing very tired of hearing stories of these a-holes on the river. Brian is right. Most of these a-holes are more than happy to come to these sites (As this moron must do to know they are posting info and picts here of “HIS” area) and use his CSI software to figure out where fish are being caught. Yet, they never post because they are apparently geniuses at finding fish and don’t want to give anything away.

Thankfully I have not run into anything like this yet. Chances are, I am not going to be very friendly back and it would be ugly. One of the coolest things about fishing anywhere in Minnesota is 99% of the people in boats wave as you pass. I love that.

Was his name Johnny Utah?

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Stirring the “pot”?

Keep fishing Cade…………..There should be more kids like you.

Same problem with walleyes too Cade. So you aren’t alone. If a person wants to know good spots to fish all they have to do is go out and drive their boat around on tournament days and see where the tounament guys are fishing. Same thing on non-tournament days just drive around and see where the locals are fishing. There are no secrets anymore because if a person fishes then they are showing other people fishing spots just by being there. So….with that all being said….if someone doesn’t want someone else to know where there is fish then just plain don’t fish. Its that simple. Fishing is a great sport, a family sport, one that you can share with a buddy. If people would share the fishing experience with others they would enjoy it more because they would be helping others to enjoy their time more on the water. Its a good feeling when you help someone. Sharing, helping, being kind, it all makes a person feel good. Hogging fish and spots is greed and that doesn’t help anyone. A person doesn’t need to give exact spots away but giving general areas like points, flats, humps, holes, bends etc helps people by pointing them in the right direction. They have to find areas like that and then be able to put the right technique/pattern to work in order to catch them. Its pretty obvious that that guy follows your reports because he knows what you look like, fishes out of, and that you post reports with pics. And that all tells me that he benefits from what you post too. But its not ok for anyone else but him to benefit from your posts???
Thanks, Bill

Two thoughts come to mind about this story.

Its sounds like it was a tournament fisherman in their prefishing boat.

and….an old saying comes to mind. I like to use this one especially for duck hunting.” Looose lips sink ships”

This guy can’t own the river. Plessure boaters already do.

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Ain’t that the truth. I often wonder if some of these people are complety clueless…..or if they are intentionally running where you are casting?

I had a blood pressure raising incident on the fourth on P8, was trying to get back into a creek and a guy was fishing a big bay in front of it I kept trying to go behind him but he switched direction 180 degrees 4 times to block me, finally got up by him as the 3 of them are casting spoons at us and sarcastically asked if it was ok if we fished back there, he says there fishing the whole bay(which we had no interest in fishin) my buddy says theres room for us all and we got around him but they kept casting those big spoons in our direction (wish I had my muskie rig at this point).Anyway this is my second run in with this guy in a year and I dont fish down that way very often. I wont call him out by name but he claims to one of the top 10 guides in the country

Just another selfish person, you are gonna run into people like that all over the place not just the river. All about them. learn to not let them bug you. you cant changr them , but you can keep doing what you wantby making your reports, posting your pics and telling your stories. as far as the guy goes that was talking to you grow up man, we try to encorage young people and kids to get out away from the nintendos and tvs and do something more worth while, then when they do they dont need discoraged by guys who probaly would never have said anything had they not been a couple 17 year old kids. its a big river iam sure you can find somewhere to catch a fish if you try real hard.

Well “the guy” in question did very well in the tourney today, so he doesn’t have much to complain about.

Your posts obviously didn’t “hurt” him too bad.

He can stop lurking if he doesn’t want to see it. There have been good fish in Stoddard the past several weeks…So what – you still have to go find them and figure out what they are doing.

I wouldn’t worry about it too much.

Ok I am going to chime in here. There are quite a few of you who know who I am. If I offend anyone with what I am about to say, so be it. We can discuss it later in person if you think you want to.

As for the trouble on the water. There are twelve kids in a local youth bass club and they know who they are. Some of you may or may not. I look at these kids as if they all are my own. So if someone has something to say, come to me first. I will admit the kids are a little enthusiastic about all this and I will continue to work on their manners. I will let you all know (lurkers and top ten guides)that if I hear of any more trouble with any of my kids I will take it personal. Someone has to teach these kids the rights and wrongs, but harassing will not be tolerated. I appreciate all the work that guys like Brovarney, Tom, Slop, Wats, Bret and a few others do to try and help these kids. They also do appreciate it, even if it is critical. Just so my kids know, and pass this on, if you encounter a problem I do not want you to get involved. Write down the boat description and hull number and I will use my resources to find out who that person is and we will try to solve the problems. I do agree that there is a certain amount of respect that needs to be given for certain areas that the kids learn throught their mentors, but just remember there is not a drop of water in the river that is owned by any one person. I ask all of you to help me help these kids and each other to stop the bull that has been going on because people are more worried about there tournament or guide fishing spots.

I don’t understand for one minute what the deal is with some of these guys. Kids like Cade are eliminating a lot of water for these “touring pro’s.” Just by Cade’s(and some other’s) posts you get a good idea what’s biting, on what and in a given area.

If I were fishing tourneys, I’d ask these kids to help and in return I’d flip them a percentage of the pot won. Cade’s on the water how many days a week? Yeah…..that about says it right there. Cade’s a tool(not that kind of tool). I think if anything Cade and the other kids fishing should be approached with a different perspective. They can be your best asset in winning tournaments.

You listening Slop???

Cade I wouldn’t worry about it..don’t even listen, I would have said something back and then ignored him. I hate people who think the river is some secret… but anywho keep fishing and if you see him around just ignore him. And I agree with Tobi, there is no need to go around harassed kids who are just getting started in the sport. If it makes him feel like a big man to talk s*** to a 15 year old, who is just trying to learn and spread knowledge he’s got problems. It’s no wonder he’s still worried about the river getting beat.. and not getting out of the local scene.

Good vent…but on a different matter, lots of folks over time have had great days and either by luck or awful hard patient work, figured out/found some great areas that ‘aren’t clearly classic’ conditions…those areas can harbour larger unpressured fish…and may not be ‘known’ by the masses…but it will only be a matter of time unfortunately.

If/when I find those spots, a part of me wants to share them…what kills me is when I then see folks pull up and stringer (not often, but it does happen) fish…

It’s a dilemma…between wanting to be helpful and crow a bit about a good day…and possibly opening up an area to greater pressure…

Still, this guys comments were out of line… kind of like me going up to someone who’s legally fishing and keeping a legal limit and asking them to please let them all go…

It’s just asking for confrontation especially when it’s ALL OUR resource…just saying…

I think he was just ticked because he was planning to use that spot for the MSBC today

Like slop said, the guy did well..but he now has no respect from me and several others who I talked with at the weigh in this afternoon. I personally did not get into it with that person at all. He approached me and I felt that I gave him a pretty good response. I could have called him many other things, but I chose to just keep my cool. Besides there were fish busting on our baits and I had other things on my mind!

thanks Todd, I appreciate your feelings towards us kids. Just because we are kids, doesn’t mean we don’t know what we are doing. I’m sure alot of you expected people to be respectful to you whene you were just youngsters out on the river. I’m glad there are nice people on sites like this one that kids like me or Cade can take our problems to and you guys more than willingly help us out. I respect you guys for that. thanks.

My partner and I fished the MSBC yesterday and started down by Stoddard. Spent about 3 hours working the slop only catching 2, 2 1/2 pounders…only saw about 3 boats the entire time we were down there and everyone was pretty spread out. I’ll have to admit, the fishing was pretty good down there a few days ago but for whatever reason we couldnt figure them out yesterday so we bailed. The only thing I could detemine was the strong winds dirtied up the water we were fishing and the fish moved. The Stoddard area is one of the biggest community holes on the river and its a relatively large area to boot, so I’m not sure what the guys beef was, you still have to catch them…we sure didn’t . Keep posting Cade and stay enthusiastic about what your doing, don’t let the actions of one hard core individual get you down. Fishing is ment to be a stress reliever not a stress giver.

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I don’t know the man in question, but maybe he was just having a bad day himself. We’ve all had those! But like jimt said, don’t let one person from one incident get you down.

CR

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That is one of my big issues with fishing for bass is all the “secrets” and “my fish”, and “my areas” that are so prevalent with a large portion of the bass side of fishing. Learning and teaching others is just about extinct due to the pressure and popularity of the sport.

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Come on Wats. I don’t think learning and teaching others is even close to extinct. You have your network of people as does everyone else. You bet each of us has our secrets honey holes, areas we like to try to not talk about, and fish we like to keep to ourselves. Granted, non some or all of it may be secret. You never know. Then there is all kinds of the community holes and areas out there. A good mix of the two can get a guy a good bag of fish once in awhile.
The things you described may be frustrating to you but they are not limited to bass fishing. Any species of fish that has tournaments to fish for them will be like that.
I am one that choses not to say too much on here about what I find. But I do not ask around here for help either. The best fish you find will be yours only. It will be something the fish just moved into or haven’t been pressured on. Beating around in the boat with the troller down casting will net you your best fish. Chasing stories around on here or hear/say will have you on a wild goose chase. Basically all I mean is that those who count on being put on fish or patterns will always be one step behind.

Yeah the wind really dirtied up that water in a hurry. The 4th I was catching fish on a long point that had dirty water on one side, clean on the other. They were on the clean side. well after Saturday, the whole thing was dirty and there were no fish over 15″ on it. We did get some good ones south of stoddard, and north however.