Baltimore chaos

G…. Apples & oranges.

Beating a little 4 year old kid with a stick isn’t the same as slapping a teenager open handed. You’ll need to do better then that.

As long as we have humans like you and I as police officers there are going to be problems and Occasional crimes committed by them.

chamberschamps wrote:

I’d bet that the “citizens” who are burning up cop cars and buildings, throwing rocks at police, and looting stores are not doing so on their way home from work or their kids soccer practice. They are criminals… and the violent riots are only reinforcing stereotypes across America.

It’s a chicken or the egg question. Is police abuse, racial profiling creating a larger group of “criminals”? It’s hard to say what I’d do in their situation. If I were pulled over for the color of my skin, treated like a common criminal, stood by and watched a friend be stripped search in public in the cold of winter, or had my brother shot in the back while fleeing a traffic stop for a busted tail light. All of this on top of poverty, lack of good jobs, poor education. It’s hard to say after decades of this type of treatment and cover up by the civil servants sworn to protect us, that I wouldn’t bust a few car windows!

Maybe I just have a criminal mind!!

Lack of good jobs?

Try lack of motivation and work ethic!

Starting wage at Walmart and McDonalds is $15/hr.. is that considered “good” enough?
They hire severely handicapped individuals who EARN their money, are these “rock throwers” not capable of handling these tasks?

Its easier for them to file a little paper work, and collect federal money to reinforce their LAZINESS.

I know that… I am talking about all the mightier than thou who were abhorred by ANY beating of any kind when AP was outed… I am as OK with AP as I am with that mother taking this opportunity to educate her son. To some, stick, belt, hand, fist, with AP it didn’t matter, where are they on this ??

cougareye wrote:

If I were pulled over for the color of my skin, treated like a common criminal, stood by and watched a friend be stripped search in public in the cold of winter, or had my brother shot in the back while fleeing a traffic stop for a busted tail light. All of this on top of poverty, lack of good jobs, poor education.

Brings me back to my initial thought on everything going on. Why flee the traffic stop in the first place? First off don’t get pulled over (but that happens to all of us regardless of race, I’ve been pulled over for going 2mph over before, just because it was 3am and “nobody is up to any good at that time”). Second off, just do what your supposed to do when pulled over. If you run you look suspicious, think about the Mendota Heights officer shot during a routine traffic stop last summer.

My fiancé told me a story that when she was in college in some class, the professor asked, “How come ___% (something like 70-80% I think?) of the people pulled over in Bemidji are Native American, and how can we change that?” My fiancé raised her hand and replied, “Follow the law and don’t put yourself in a bad position to get pulled over.” The class gasped, as somebody just answered the question without answering that it’s because of race.

I don’t disagree with any one comment here but we are overlooking something and we and by we I mean those of us who check the “white” box on the job applications for race.

We don’t know what it is like to be profiled, truly profiled. We get away with many borderline infractions (speeding, tail lights) and we’ve NEVER been in a situation where we were pulled over for no reason other than we looked suspicious.

With profiling, there is no “don’t put yourself in a situation to get pulled over” and there often aren’t jobs where jobs should exist. We make it out to be simple but we really don’t know what it’s like.

Obviously I don’t agree with the actions of these mobs in Ferguson, Baltimore, and other places that have popped up recently, but I have some sympathy based on how our society and police forces treat these people, then cover it up.

If McDonald’s was paying $15 an hour back in the 80’s, I never would have gone to college.

chamberschamps wrote:

funny all the people you see praising the mother who was beating her kid in the streets of Baltimore… are some of the same people who were abhorred and disgusted by Adrian Peterson…?

That is very funny indeed. Hmmmm, I wonder why these people resort to violence to begin with? Certainly not BC they were brought up that way!

Think its known I’m all for spankings, but this shows where physical discipline taken to far as a youth can have consequences later where the individual just replicates that behavior. If that Mom does that on National TV who knows what she did when he was a kid.
But at the same time I sympathize with many folks on finding relief that some parents over there know what’s right and wrong even if its accompanied by some open handed wacks.

big_g wrote:

On another note…. funny all the people you see praising the mother who was beating her kid in the streets of Baltimore… are some of the same people who were abhorred and disgusted by Adrian Peterson…?

I can’t even imagine how you draw a line of comparison between the two situations, of any sort?

Also, the people that were the loudest about Peterson situation, and making news, sure were not living in the hood. Media went after an entirely different social group for those reactions.

As far as smacking a teenager for tossing rocks at the police… I think many of us would like to inflict a little socially unacceptable justice on these animals… where none (I hope) of us were proud of Peterson. The comparison is dumb, to be nice about it.

And spanking (not a bad thing), is not the same as beating with a stick… a four year old doesn’t need abuse to learn.

See……

mnrabbit – Spot on! I know I will NEVER be shot in the back by a cop simply because when I cop tells me to stop, I stop. When a cop says show me an ID, I show them my ID.

cougareye – not so sure I agree with the “white box” theory. Remember a few years back when the tornado went thru north Mpls? Lets just say that if a tornado hit my neighborhood the last thing I would do is loot the local liquor store. I agree profiling happens and bad things happen to good people, but with ALL the recent hi profile cop shooting the victims were either doing something wrong, did something wrong, didn’t listen to the police, had a criminal record.

And I always thought the law was Looters can be shot on site. Start shooting a few of em.

I knew I shouldn’t have ever popped this thread open…

So where’s the conversation on next week’s fishing show, much better topic.

Baltimore was an abandoned city when the factories left in the 70’s. 1.2 million residents 60’s and early 70’s a bit more than 600,000 now. The ones that could get out did and the ones left behind are there fending for themselves. Not defending any of the actions that have occured but what would one espect when a city goes through a transition like that? Its a byproduct created by society.

That’ll teach you Chuck.