Baltimore chaos

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If i posted what i think i would be labeled racist. The nonsense has to stop. 15 buildings lit up, 150 cars burned, 20 cops hurt & only 200 arrests.

I wish we could all put a little more love in the world! <3

OMG!
I’m just going to bite my tongue on this one.

We are talking fishing stuff, right?

Would anyone be upset if this thread was locked now?

I would.

The curfew goes into effect in 20 minutes in Baltimore. This will be the excuse used to loot and damage property. This has very little to do with the young man who was killed. It has everything to do with people who have nothing better to do then cause damage and property loss. Likely the instigators aren’t even Baltimore residents.Like Ferguson it’s a sad situation, like Ferguson it casts a very bad light on the city and a few thugs & criminals are responsible.

I often feel like I live in a different country. What happened to UNITED States of America?

Randy, mostly what has happened is there no longer is a middle class. It’s the haves vs the have nots. Nothing is equal in this country.

Dutchboy wrote:

Randy, mostly what has happened is there no longer is a middle class. It’s the haves vs the have nots. Nothing is equal in this country.

With all due respect, I 100 % disagree with that statement. For example, everyone posting on IDO, are we poor or rich? Myself, I’m rock solid middle class guy as are all my friends. Politician’s are very well versed at blurring the have vs. the have not lines.

Just another frenzied, new media enhanced crisis where 95% of people chime in and only about 3% have real life experience perspective.

When I say real life experience, I am talking about one side. I know that is borderline code today.

Watched Washington journal this morning and got comments from the locals that live there. Its a multi problem situation that’s coming from those involved in those problems. I guess a lot of business that used to hire the black population there in that area have moved out and now theres massive poverty. Poverty is one of the main reasons plus many more, but that doesn’t give anyone the right to do whats been done. Two or three people did call in and told what they has seen the police do to people for no reason at all, like one guy was stripped searched on a corner in the middle of winter and stood there partially naked with his pants down for a half hour. Id like to know why the police chief doesn’t send more competent officers to areas like that that can reason things out better. I know theres people who cause problems but it seems that for whatever reason in some areas of the United States its became open season on some because of the color of some ones skin. Got a bitch with a certain race or problems in life that need to be solved, no problem just join the police dept. it seems its become. Some would agree that when someones neck is broke in police custody somethings up. Heard yesterday on Washington journal that Baltimore has paid out about 6 million in lawsuit settlements alone last year, when that happens somethings wrong. A huge story and many situations with lots of reasons, good and bad forsure.

Got a bitch with a certain race or problems in life that need to be solved, no problem just join the police dept.

Heard yesterday on Washington journal that Baltimore has paid out about 6 million in lawsuit settlements alone last year, when that happens somethings wrong.

That’s a pretty big leap without perspective. Maybe they had one case that was settled for that amount? How much have other cities of a similar size and demographic paid out?

Lawsuits by Top Cities

No Pug, it was various settlents. I’ll stick up for the police anyday but that also gives me the right to compare one policemen to another. Are all cops bad heck no, but there are certain policemen that shouldn’t be policemen because of their tempers and competence levels in various situations. I see it here in town too and bad cops make good ones look bad and then their all put into the same basket. The white population is just as concerned as the black population about people in the police dept. that loose their tempers or are just that way. This is a big big subject, my last comment on this subject.

6 mil in 3 years. Also 109 people died in police custody from 2011-14. thought this was an interesting read:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/the-brutality-of-police-culture-in-baltimore/391158/

I respect anyone’s right to protest regardless of my views on a particular situation. But there is a distinct difference between riots and protesting. How can anyone think they will be taken serious when they act like an animal. I fully understand the flight/fight argument and people reaching a breaking point where they blow up. There is a much more civil way to accomplish being heard. I refuse to get sucked into the racial aspect of these, as we have seen EVERY nationality involved. I agree bad cops are fueled by bad leaders and they need to be exposed and removed. But there are 1000’s of great law enforcement officers that go well above their “job” and serve their communities.

Look at the differences in history with M.L.K.jr and Malcom X. I think malcom was very educated and I like a lot of his earlier philosophies. But I think his turning point in history was the infamous “Any means necessary”; which sparked off more violence. Now, years later, which has had better influence on society?

Eelpoutguy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
Randy, mostly what has happened is there no longer is a middle class. It’s the haves vs the have nots. Nothing is equal in this country.

With all due respect, I 100 % disagree with that statement. For example, everyone posting on IDO, are we poor or rich? Myself, I’m rock solid middle class guy as are all my friends. Politician’s are very well versed at blurring the have vs. the have not lines.

x2 – I have to agree with Poutguy. My neighbors are not rich by any means but still find a way to update their houses, buy new cars, and taxi their kids all around town for sporting events.
Will any of them be buying a new house on Tonka anytime soon? Heck no! They sure appear to be living a comfortable middle class life though.

Look at the rioters….. 14-30 years old. They are THUGS using an incident which has nothing to do with them, for monetary gain = THUGS. Stuff like this needs an immediate National Guard response… immediately… not “let them get it out of their system”… immediate.

I’ve grown up in rural Iowa, lived in a couple small towns in South Dakota, and now live in the Twin Cities. So I have no idea what life is like for people living in bad areas of Baltimore, Ferguson, or elsewhere. But.. my former college roommate and one of my best friends grew up in Ferguson, he said the area is filled with “uneducated people who are too lazy to give themselves a good life.”

My take.. simply don’t do something that will put you in the position to get arrested in the first place. Respect the police and they will respect you back.

mnrabbit wrote:

uneducated people who are too lazy to give themselves a good life.

Truer words have never been said. Seems cultural as well. That inner-city culture has flourished on handouts. Incentive to be a productive member of society is gone for many. They are so moronic they cry for protection and law but cry fowl when it negatively impacts them in any way. The freeloaders want it all. Now there are so many people in that position they are a force to be reckoned with.
I cant think of any other way to handle them but with a heavy hand. Why should the rest of us go down with them?

Best coverage I have seen on it is where the mother is beating on her teenage son for being part of tossing rocks at the police. Screaming, slapping and anything else she can do to get his attention.

Like others said on that portion of the news cast… if only there were more mothers and fathers like that.

Sick is like last week in Milwaukee where a driver hit a 2 year old who ran into the street. Driver stopped, along with the little kid’s teenage brother, they were trying to help the kid when out comes the uncle… shoots and kills the driver, accidentally shoots and kid’s the brother, then runs… “good” thing is days later he killed himself vs being arrested in Chicago.

mossydan wrote:

there are certain policemen that shouldn’t be policemen because of their tempers and competence levels in various situations.

Mossydan,
How do you recommend screening these policemen for COMPETENCE AND TEMPER? You can never replicate these situations in an interview setting. Would you propose setting up a test where a mob of ANIMALS throw boulders at them and judge the amount of anger each cadet shows? And then give them a PASS/FAIL grade?

Or maybe a crazed youth jumps into your squad car and tries to take your firearm from you to kill you, no one’s COMPETENCE level would pass your approval when their life is on the line. They cant replicate life/ or death situations.

There is no way of screening COMPETENCE OR ANGER.. They simply look into each officers background and look for red flags of violence and or racial issues, then provide training to them. That is the best they can do.

I don’t know the author of this, but I wanted to share it.

The sheep do not want the dog around. He looks too much like the wolf. He reminds them that danger lurks out there, just beyond the relative safety of the fence. The wolf also hates the dog. He knows that it is the dog that stands between him and his prey. It is because of the dog that he is lean. The dog is the reason the wolf is forced to stalk the darkness. The dog knows these facts. Undeterred, he stands watch, ever ready to do battle. Despite that he is an unwelcome guest in the mists, the dog is ready, at a moment’s notice, to give his life in defense of the flock. It is simply who he is. The police.

I must be lucky. Every officer I’ve ever met has been a great person…and was not afraid to show his teeth when the wolves came close.

Brian Klawitter wrote:

I don’t know the author of this, but I wanted to share it.
The sheep do not want the dog around. He looks too much like the wolf. He reminds them that danger lurks out there, just beyond the relative safety of the fence. The wolf also hates the dog. He knows that it is the dog that stands between him and his prey. It is because of the dog that he is lean. The dog is the reason the wolf is forced to stalk the darkness. The dog knows these facts. Undeterred, he stands watch, ever ready to do battle. Despite that he is an unwelcome guest in the mists, the dog is ready, at a moment’s notice, to give his life in defense of the flock. It is simply who he is. The police.

I must be lucky. Every officer I’ve ever met has been a great person…and was not afraid to show his teeth when the wolves came close.

Good reminder.

Best friend is a cop… says the job has never, ever been so hard. Pressure in ways he never has seen before. Hate and distrust in ways he wishes he would have never known, even in his smaller town setting that has little to do with the problems all over the media. He can’t wait to retire, and get away from the job he once dreamed of.

Like all professions, there are some bad seeds…. period. One need only look at the officer in North Charleston who unloaded on a fleeing suspect, during an inoperable lamp pull over… after dropping him, he then went back to where it started, picked something up (tazer ?) and dropped it on the ground next to the dying man… I am all for waiting to hear “all the details” but I am also not dumb. For years, these types of incidents have been swept under the rug by law enforcement, handled in-house so to speak… but now, with video everywhere, it plays out on national media.

sktrwx2200 wrote:

How do you recommend screening these policemen for COMPETENCE AND TEMPER? You can never replicate these situations in an interview setting. Would you propose setting up a test where a mob of ANIMALS throw boulders at them and judge the amount of anger each cadet shows? And then give them a PASS/FAIL grade?

You are right, this cannot be determined in advance. Where the police are failing IMO is in their culture. Take the example above of a person stripped searched on a corner in the winter. Whether this is true or not I don’t know but let’s assume it is. If that happened, a complaint probably was filed, other cops knew about it, most likely knew who did or would do this. The current culture of police forces is to protect their own, instead, the good cops on the force need to start policing themselves, turning over the bad applies, not protecting them with their silence.
That is the change, the change in culture, that needs to happen IMO. When bad cops know their fellow officers will not turn them in, they know they can get away with this type of stuff. And this is what’s turning these citizens into angry, angry mobs.

Seems to be a need in culture change across the board.

Agreed… it is never appropriate to riot and loot innocent business’, they all should be tried and punished… that’s how it is suppose to work anyways.

On another note…. funny all the people you see praising the mother who was beating her kid in the streets of Baltimore… are some of the same people who were abhorred and disgusted by Adrian Peterson…? Maybe the age difference made it ok ? or maybe the potential crime being committed ? An acceptable beating of a minor ?

cougareye wrote:

And this is what’s turning these citizens into angry, angry mobs.

I’d bet that the “citizens” who are burning up cop cars and buildings, throwing rocks at police, and looting stores are not doing so on their way home from work or their kids soccer practice. They are criminals… and the violent riots are only reinforcing stereotypes across America.