Bad Kitty

  • Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13884
    #2306088

    Except what we spend our money on! Everything we spend on is justifiable because we have to have it

    I am one to complain about almost everything – including the stuff I want and the stuff that I need. I am so fed up with all these companies cheapening everything and diminishing much of any level of quality. Inflation is out of control and corporate greed/shareholders’ demands push every company to find a way to lesson the quality and still convince you to buy it. Maybe its my age, but I find that I have to buy more things that I need than what I want. The justification on items I want is pretty gray

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12337
    #2306098

    Cost per hour of use is a losing calculation for almost all recreational equipment. I know everyone here is a diehard fisherman who hasn’t put their boat away yet, had it out multiple times per week all summer, and will have it back out anytime it’s above zero after the New Year too and have been doing that for decades, I just don’t get why there’s still under 500 hours on it… rotflol

    But an hour in a boat/fish house/snowmobile has brought me far more joy than my 401(k) ever has. So as long as you are taking care of the long term (retirement), live it up in the short term!

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12471
    #2306104

    But an hour in a boat/fish house/snowmobile has brought me far more joy than my 401(k) ever has. So as long as you are taking care of the long term (retirement), live it up in the short term!

    Could not agree more.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 11002
    #2306105

    Got a new boat 2 years ago, I’m up to about an hour and a half on it so far. doah

    glenn57
    cold spring mn/ itasca cty
    Posts: 12806
    #2306108

    Got a new boat 2 years ago, I’m up to about an hour and a half on it so far. doah

    spend more time in that boat then in NC!!!!!!! doah doah devil rotflol rotflol rotflol

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 12553
    #2306128

    But an hour in a boat/fish house/snowmobile has brought me far more joy than my 401(k) ever has. So as long as you are taking care of the long term (retirement), live it up in the short term!

    YOLO

    If I didn’t spend money on a boat or other toys I would probably be spending that money on therapy sessions.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 12337
    #2306160

    If I didn’t spend money on a boat or other toys I would probably be spending that money on therapy sessions.

    “I spent half my money on gambling, alcohol and wild women (and Rec Vehicles), the rest I’ve wasted.” -WC Fields

    Mike Schulz
    Osakis/Long Prairie
    Posts: 1901
    #2306162

    Arctic Cat became a part of Textron in 2017. Our vehicles are now designed and built by Textron Specialized Vehicles, a division of Textron that also manufactures Cushman commercial and industrial utility vehicles, E-Z-GO golf cars, Jacobsen turf equipment and Textron Ground Support Equipment .

    it only took them 7 years to kill it…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24432
    #2306191

    It took them way less than 7 years

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 12218
    #2306321

    It’s not just Cat.

    In bankruptcy hearings, it has been reported by Austrian newspaper Der Standard that KTM has reported a built inventory of 265,000 motorcycles.

    This figure is likely across all KTM affiliated brands, so Husqvarna, GasGas and other brands.

    The problem is that this built inventory represents more motorcycles than KTM actually sells in a year. So basically they have overbuilt inventory (and/or massive overestimated sales) by a huge margin.

    Is the problem here that Textron, KTM, and other CEOs are appeasing stock analysts by refusing to cut prices and deliver realistic sales forecasts even if it means they fly the plane into the ground within a year?

    https://www.rideapart.com/news/745178/ktm-years-worth-of-unsold-motorcycles-insolvency-bankrupt/

    Joe Jarl
    SW Wright County
    Posts: 2186
    #2306326

    Is the problem here that Textron, KTM, and other CEOs are appeasing stock analysts by refusing to cut prices and deliver realistic sales forecasts even if it means they fly the plane into the ground within a year?

    Apparently they expected the crazy covid era sales to continue and didn’t see the inevitable “reckoning” coming. But, in their defense, put yourself in their shoes. You plan for continued growth and it doesn’t happen and you’re stuck with excess inventory. Or, you scale back even while sales are good and suddenly you’re short on inventory when good times continue driving up prices. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. IMO, the slowdown and subsequent shutdowns and layoffs have been inevitable.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24432
    #2306328

    A couple interesting things that have happened in the last few months at AC. It was reported on a FB group I’m on many weeks ago that a large contingent of John Deere were in TRF several weeks ago. Most just chalked it up to a potential sxa venture for JD. Now it may be more than that. Fast forward to the announcement this week about AC being for sale. A day or so later a post from an account appearing to be John Deeres official account showed someone riding an old JD spitfire with the caption “signing off for the year. See you in 2025”.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn/ itasca cty
    Posts: 12806
    #2306330

    thats the part i dont get or understand??? all my working life i was never in the management realm of things. just a guy on the floor building the product in the steel industry. i was involved with the Union before being a rep so i got to somewhat see the inside thinking of management strategies!!!

    yes there was a time when companies ordered raw supplies based on price and expected sales, but for as long as i can remember…….especially when this “LEAN” Manufacuring came along inventory was the first to get put in check!!!! basically get what you need for the project.

    so did this excessive inventory of the power sports industry start with the crazy COVID money??? someone had to see the means to the end??/

    Joe Jarl
    SW Wright County
    Posts: 2186
    #2306332

    IMHO Glenn, it did, along with extremely low interest rates. That and being involved in a pretty volatile industry (sleds) to begin with. Was it a couple years ago we had a tremendous snow year across the Midwest? No doubt that inflated sales substantially. Following 2 years, nothing. Honestly, I don’t envy people running these corporations. Maybe that’s why they make the big bucks?

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 11002
    #2306351

    Arctic Cat put Thief River Falls on the map. Can the town save the company from shuttering?
    Textron Inc. is suspending Arctic Cat production of snowmobiles and other powersports in a struggling industry.

    Judy and Randy Adamson pictured inside their garage full of Arctic Cat collectibles. They owned an Arctic Cat dealership in Thief River Falls for many years, and he is considered the town’s local Arctic Cat historian. (Kim Hyatt/The Minnesota Star Tribune)

    THIEF RIVER FALLS, Minn. — Judy and Randy Adamson’s fate was sealed in the great 1978 blizzard when the town sent Arctic Cat workers out on snowmobiles to bring home nurses stranded at the hospital. It was their first of countless rides together.

    Picturing their life without Arctic Cat is like imagining the town of Thief River Falls without the company. It’s one of Minnesota’s most recognizable brands with neon green louder than the engines underneath the hood. Since the assembly line kicked on here 62 years ago, Arctic Cat has become a way of life and formed a sense of identity.

    A week before Christmas, the parent company of Arctic Cat announced that it is suspending production indefinitely at its plant here and in St. Cloud, the latest blow after 65 permanent layoffs in November. It said in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission this week that it is seeking strategic alternatives as the powersports industry remains soft.

    Employees, city officials and snowmobile enthusiasts here are hopeful that a new buyer will step in. Perhaps it’s the holiday spirit, or resiliency of this community and company that has experienced a production hiatus before and came back roaring, but many aren’t ready to accept the end of Arctic Cat.

    “It’s not over yet. We all bleed green and we’re fighting until the bitter end,” said Michele McCraw, city councilmember and longtime Arctic Cat employee. The company employs 530 people in Thief River Falls.

    McCraw worked in engineering for 25 years at Arctic Cat before moving over to program management. She said while that though production lines have quieted, a number of employees are still working in service warranty, customer service and engineering.

    Tracey Sceville puts together the parts catalogues. She still has her job and doesn’t want to lose it.

    “I walked in the door giving it the mentality that I can take any job for two weeks, and I absolutely fell in love with this place and the people,” Sceville said.

    Arctic Cat employee Tracey Sceville takes a selfie with her 9-year-old daughter during a visit to the plant. Sceville has worked there 22 years and doesn’t want to lose the job she loves. (Kim Hyatt)
    She met her husband at Arctic Cat and together they have two children, Teven,10, and Taveya, 9. When they got out of school Friday for winter break, she brought them to the plant to see new models decked out with holiday lights next to artificial trees on the showroom floor in the lobby.

    “I want this for Christmas!” Taveya said as she sat on a kid-sized Arctic Cat adorned with a big green bow.

    Sceville fought back tears when talking about the news. Her kids don’t know. She doesn’t want them to.

    “I am very proud to work here,” she said. “And I’m very worried about everything that has happened… and that may continue to happen between the employees and the families, and of course, the town.”

    On Friday, only a few cars were in the plant’s parking lot, mostly of maintenance workers like Arnoldo Martinez, who said he’s not sure where else he would find work.

    “It’s a ghost town in there right now,” he said.

    The same is true of the St. Cloud location, which employs 30 people. The parking lot was empty and the building’s doors locked at the engine plant, which is in the I-94 business park on the south side of the city.

    “It’s never good to see that happen,” St. Cloud Mayor Dave Kleis said Friday. “Obviously the economy changes and what people buy changes. I think that’s the issue.”

    An industry in decline
    In the glory days, 100 companies once competed in the snowmobile industry. Only four survived, two located in northern Minnesota: Arctic Cat and Polaris. But the industry is collapsing. Yamaha stopped making snowmobiles last year. Polaris reported an 80% drop in profits this year and Canada-based BRP Inc., which makes Ski-Doo, cut snowmobile production by 30%.

    Warm winters and high interest rates are to blame. A new snowmobile can run $20,000. Without the guarantee of snow, it’s harder to justify the investment. Might as well buy a boat or side-by-side.

    It takes years for snowmobile sales to rebound from a bad winter. And 2023 was a killer.

    “Dealers are sitting full of inventory right now,” said Tom Wang, who helps run the local snowmobile club in Thief River Falls.

    Last winter was the first time in 50 years that Wang didn’t take his sled out. Even with the recent snowfall, there’s not enough to groom the trails. Some riders opt for the frozen Red Lake River, which Wang said used to be as busy as a highway with so many snowmobiles on it. All green Arctic Cats zipping along the roads are dotingly called “ditch pickles,” but not many were spotted around town over the weekend.

    Interest in the winter sport has waned. “We’ve got the lowest membership we’ve ever had,” Wang said of the club that has 25 members, down from a peak of more than 100.

    The club hosts annual youth snowmobile safety classes. They’re lucky to get a few dozen kids when hundreds used to attend.

    Temps this week could reach 40 degrees, which means less snow and more grass on trails.

    The company went bankrupt in 1981 and ceased production the next two years. Instead of shying away from hard times, it’s like a badge of honor that the company experienced a rebirth.

    “There might be another chapter,” said Al Grzadzielewski, the owner of Black Cat Sports Bar and Grill across the street from the plant, which builds snowmobiles, ATVs and side-by-sides.

    Inside the Black Cat, snowmobile photos, Team Arctic racing banners, brochures, magazine articles and memorabilia blanket the walls. Snowmobile hoods cover the ceiling. It’s like an Arctic Cat museum.

    There are framed ads in the bar from when the company resurrected, saying “the biggest news to hit the snowmobile industry since Arctic Cat went under” was the news that “The Cat is Back.”

    “It was only a matter of time. The boys in Thief River Falls, Minnesota are again unleashing… the most ferocious animal to ever hit the trails,” the ad reads.

    By 2010, Arctic Cat had built its millionth snowmobile and had twice as many employees as it does today.

    The company’s fate was uncertain again a few years later until Rhode Island-based Textron Industries acquired it in 2017. Locals say that Textron, which sells Bell helicopters and Cessna aircrafts, doesn’t care what Arctic Cat means to Thief River Falls.

    “This town was built on Artic Cat,” Grzadzielewski said. “It’s a sad day for Thief River Falls. I really hope that somebody picks it up and runs with.”

    Mayor Brian Holmer says closing the plant wouldn’t only be devastating to the town of 8,500 people.

    “You lose something like that, it’s going to hurt everybody,” he said.

    Minnesota boasts 22,000 miles of groomed snowmobile trails— second only to Wisconsin in the U.S.

    Trails support ancillary businesses and Arctic Cat relies on a supply chain that could also suffer if the plant closes for good.

    Thief River Falls Mayor Brian Holmer prepares for a radio interview at his meat business across the street from city hall. He said he’s fighting to keep the Arctic Cat plant from shuttering. (Kim Hyatt)
    Holmer has been calling officials at the Minnesota Department of Employment and Economic Development. He said he has connections in the White House with the returning Trump administration, too, and plans to tap on them for help if it comes down to it.

    He fought for the $400 million expansion of Digi-Key Electronics. It’s the largest employer in town, unseating Arctic Cat, and one of the country’s 10 largest warehouses. Holmer said his advocacy for Digi-Key is like a prelude for the pending Arctic Cat fight.

    He said they have six months to find a new buyer. He’s seeking every alternative to keep the plant open, even if that means manufacturing other products and not just snowmobiles and other powersports.

    Ever since Textron’s announcement, Holmer’s phone won’t stop ringing. He’s been taking interviews and trying to spread a message of optimism as he works across from the street from city hall at his meat shop, where he is hand-tying 2,000 pounds of prime rib for the holidays.

    He stops by the Black Cat bar on Friday night wearing an Arctic Cat jacket and talks about companies potentially interested in buying the plant.

    Randy Adamson, who is the local Arctic Cat historian, hears rumors of potential buyers, too.

    “I just had somebody say what [Textron] just did is probably the best sign that somebody else is going to take them over,” he said.

    Adamson’s garage is full of Arctic Cat collectibles and antiques that he meticulously catalogues for auctions. Dart boards, clocks, posters, hats, suspenders, signs.

    His late father Vern owned the first Arctic Cat dealership in town set up outside his gas station. Adamson took over the business that he sold during the pandemic when he became severely ill and inventory backlogged.

    A huge part of the snowmobile industry and culture is racing. Adamson said his motto for decades was what won on Sunday sold on Monday, but with all the recent cuts and layoffs, Team Arctic also disbanded.

    “Textron didn’t think it was a big deal,” Adamson said.

    Arctic Cat to Textron is like a little bug, he said. “You don’t like it? Just stomp on it. It’s too bad they don’t have the heart and soul in it here.”

    That doesn’t mean Holmer is ready to see the manufacturing plant become an Arctic Cat museum like the Black Cat or Adamson’s garage.

    ”I don’t want to be putting a monument up,” he said.

    Mike Schulz
    Osakis/Long Prairie
    Posts: 1901
    #2306352

    good article Epg!! and sad..

    B-man
    Posts: 6522
    #2306708

    Saw this and got a little chuckle jester

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