Doubt those guys had hounds specifically for wolves so guessing whatever hounds they used for coyotes or bear or whatever else they can hound in Wisconsin got the job done on wolves too.
Man that would be an intense hunt.
Man that would be an intense hunt.
No chit!
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Especially dogs.What kind of dogs do they use to hunt a wolf? Man that must be one tough ass and fast dog to be hunting a wolf. Not to mention there’s usually not just one wolf, because they are in a pack.
Irish Wolfhounds?
Tswobboda is correct, same dogs they run bears, bobcat and mountain lions with. The wolves take out some of their bear dogs while doing summer training and during hunting season so they were eager for some payback.
Dog hunting isn’t really about speed or toughness. It is strength in numbers. Most dogs that get killed by bear, lions or wolves while hunting stray from the pack. That is my understanding anyway. I don’t do it but have a couple friends that do. Not really my thing but not opposed to it.
Check out the videos of people releasing wolves from traps. Takes some stones although I hear it is pretty safe.
The first year it was legal in MN I talked with a guy up by LOTW who set out traps. First night he caught three so two had to be released. If you can trap that many in one night, I think we may have too many wolves.
Tswobboda is correct, same dogs they run bears, bobcat and mountain lions with. The wolves take out some of their bear dogs while doing summer training and during hunting season so they were eager for some payback.
Dog hunting isn’t really about speed or toughness. It is strength in numbers. Most dogs that get killed by bear, lions or wolves while hunting stray from the pack. That is my understanding anyway. I don’t do it but have a couple friends that do. Not really my thing but not opposed to it.
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I have a close friend that runs dogs for everything over in Wisconsin. He does all sorts of different hunts with his 5 hounds. They get hired on by the dnr as well to run nuisance bear and cats as well. But he did use dogs for wolves when the season was live. Those dogs are really something else, not my kind of dog but he lives for it and travels all over with those dogs. They are just your typical hounds.
When Wisconsin had the hunt I knew some of the groups that killed wolves with their bear/yote/cat hounds. They were finally legally allowed to hunt the same wolves that had killed some of their dogs.
They’d look for a track from a single wolf and drop the tailgate 
One wolf will eventually bay up or they’d be able to get a shot during the chase.
It was so effective they blew the quota out of the water in just a few days from what I remember, and had to shut the season down far sooner than the state anticipated (almost like their estimated population “was just a tad off”….)
It was a massive celebration and win for Wisconsin!
It wasn’t long after and some dickhead judge who’s probably never even seen one shut it down.
Interesting. But bears and bobcats just go in a tree. A pack of wolves seems like a whole different ball game.
Interesting. But bears and bobcats just go in a tree. A pack of wolves seems like a whole different ball game.
Big bears don’t wanna go in a tree. Sometimes the sit down and start throwing haymakers at the dogs.
Lol whoa
Interesting. But bears and bobcats just go in a tree. A pack of wolves seems like a whole different ball game.
They don’t dump hounds on a pack. The hounds wouldn’t stand a chance against multiple wolves, which is why they drop on a solo track (a lone wolf would rather run than fight).
Ahhh, ok now I see. Good plan.
It was so effective they blew the quota out of the water in just a few days from what I remember, and had to shut the season down far sooner than the state anticipated (almost like their estimated population “was just a tad off”….)
It was a massive celebration and win for Wisconsin!
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B the quota for the WI hunt was 200 wolves. The NA Tribes were to get 81 of the quota. The WDNR knew that those 81 would not be harvested because the wolf being sacred or ???? in their culture.
The hunters and trappers harvested 219 wolves in less than 3 days! Which tells you the states population estimate is/was waaaay off.
Any of the articles saying the hunt was a slaughter is comparing that harvest of 219 to 119(200-81=119).
I compare it as 219 to the state declaring a harvest of 200 being no harm to the population. So 19 over the quota or less than 10% over.
For those interested, you can check out Wisconsin wolf depredation online.
This year alone there were 25 or so dogs killed by wolves (DNR confirmed)
HUNDREDS of dogs have been CONFIRMED killed by the WI DNR over the years. Even more have been shrugged off for not enough evidence.
In 2016 a new record was set, “at least” 41 dogs were killed. There’s also a pile of livestock depredation confirmed every year, some of which are less than 10 miles from my house.
The good news, if your dog gets killed by a wolf the state pays you up to $2,500.
The bad news, your dog is ripped apart and eaten alive..but oh, here’s some money to make you feel better about it.
They were finally legally It was so effective they blew the quota out of the water in just a few days from what I remember, and had to shut the season down far sooner than the state anticipated (almost like their estimated population “was just a tad off”….)
So it’s almost like you’re saying it’s incredibly hard for people to estimate the wolf population? Interesting…
Wisconsin has proven they’re great at underestimating. I’d imagine Minnesota uses similar methods and criteria 
There’s probably a hell of a lot more wolves out there than they publish. But, neither you or I have the methods, time, or money to prove them wrong.
One thing to keep in mind, both states current “estimates” are four times higher than their “ambitious” population goals set years ago.
So is it really 6 times higher? 8 times higher? 10? Who knows. The only true fact is there’s too many (even according to the states themselves)
It’s not hard, it’s impossible. They don’t have a clue.
The fact that they put a number on all of Canada and Alaska is pretty laughable. Can I have that job.
The one place they can probably count them with accuracy is Isle royale since they bring them there after trapping them. I was there this summer and a park ranger stopped by our boat-in campsite. She said they were having problems with wolves coming in to campsites to take peoples food. I asked her what the hell they thought would happen when they trap wolves from the wild and bring them to a relatively small island full of tourist. She said they are supposed to eat moose. I laughed and laughed. She didn’t think that was very funny. It’ll be interesting to see how they feel about playing god with their little scientific experiment on a national park, if a tourist gets attacked and/or killed.
She ticketed the neighbors for leaving a clean cookstove on their picnic table while they were out fishing. Apparently the cook stove sitting outside smells more than inside their screened in enclosure. She said they are cracking down to try to keep wolves from approaching humans. I suggested a gun…and that was the end of the conversation.
Heard the exact same thing from the rangers when I called for my permit in August.
They were having A LOT of problems with wolves getting too friendly with humans and their campsites.
The good thing is fatal wolf attacks on people are extremely rare, but attacks do happen.
You can wolves at your campsite here without going to an island, just bring donuts: https://wtip.org/people-feeding-wolves-donuts-leads-to-closure-of-camping-area-near-the-sawbill-trail/
Wisconsin has proven they’re great at underestimating. I’d imagine Minnesota uses similar methods and criteria
There’s probably a hell of a lot more wolves out there than they publish. But, neither you or I have the methods, time, or money to prove them wrong.
One thing to keep in mind, both states current “estimates” are four times higher than their “ambitious” population goals set years ago.
So is it really 6 times higher? 8 times higher? 10? Who knows. The only true fact is there’s too many (even according to the states themselves)
so the DNRs and others can’t estimate wolves accurately but you can? got it.
Isle Royale is where they spent tax money to trap and transport wolves to the island to kill the moose. Then there was a cold winter and the wolves walked to the mainland over the ice. Then spent more tax money to trap and transport more back in. Wonder how much people would pay for a moose tag on the island. They probably wouldn’t make as much on tags as they spent on relocating but at least it would be cash flowing the right direction.
I assume anyone running dogs for bears or bobcat knows the risk in wolf country with predation or attacks on their dogs, and they accept that risk. Otherwise they wouldn’t be doing it.
I recall Don’s dog Buster being attacked (and surviving) last year and he posted about it too. So obviously it happens, even if its rare. Thousands of grouse hunters enter the MN, WI, and MI woods every fall to bird hunt though, and I’m gonna say that the number of them that experience an attack by wolves isn’t even mathematically measureable. Its about as common as being struck by lightning.
As for attacks on people. I don’t think there’s been a single documented incident in Wisconsin. Ever. There was one in MN several years ago. It was a lone wolf with a mangled jaw that attacked a camper.
That being said, there are still too many. Just the simple threat of being hunted or trapped would make wolves think twice about encounters with people, livestock, and dogs.
That being said, there are still too many. Just the simple threat of being hunted or trapped would make wolves think twice about encounters with people, livestock, and dogs.
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This is exactly the problem. They have no fear of humans because humans can’t hurt them.
From the 2023 Wolf Population Survey found at the DNR link below: “The methodology used to estimate wolf population size in Minnesota utilizes three primary pieces of information: 1) an estimate of the total area of land occupied by wolf packs; 2) an estimate of average wolf pack territory size; and 3) an estimate of average mid-winter pack size. It is likely that occupied range changes on a comparatively slow timescale compared to fluctuations in average territory and pack size. As such, occupied range is estimated at approximately 5-year intervals, with the last being during winter 2017-18; we assume that occupied range has remained unchanged (i.e., 73,972 km2; Erb et al. 2018) and use that in our population calculations for winter 2022-23. An updated estimate is anticipated for winter 2023-24.”
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/wolves/index.html
So we are due for an updated territory and therefore more accurate population survey. As the map indicates at that link, they still have the territory significantly further north than we know wolves are currently, so it will be interesting to see how far south that line moves. It’s not hard to see the numbers/range don’t add up currently, so hopefully we see some more accurate info out of the DNR with the next estimate. Not sure how anyone defends the territory and sightings where they haven’t been before increasing but the DNR population numbers staying relatively level…
From the same 2023 Population Survey: “After accounting for the assumed 15% lone wolves in the population, we estimate the 2022-23 mid-winter wolf population to be 2,919 wolves, or 3.95 wolves per 100 km2 of occupied range. The 90% confidence interval was approximately +/- 800 wolves, specifically 2,215 to 3,790. Given the nearly complete overlap with the 2021-22 confidence interval, we conclude that the 2022-23 statewide wolf population size was unchanged from the previous winter. Like 2 of the past 3 years, the population was estimated to be composed of more but smaller packs than in the past (Figures 3 and 4).”
This graph is on page 6 of 7 in that survey, and according to the DNR basically no change in MN Wolf Population since 2016.
so the DNRs and others can’t estimate wolves accurately but you can? got it.
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You serious Gitch? Did Bman ever say he knew how many there are? Seems as though he just thinks there are more than enough and they should be hunted. Others on here seem to agree as does the WI and MN DNR.
Are you opposed to a wolf hunting and trapping season to manage the population?
A modern wolf season in MN showed hunter success rate of 4.2%. Not really knocking it out of the park. Trapping was only allowed late season and success rate was 19.7%. Hunting license sales were about 2,800. Trapping licenses sold were 603.
MN DNR report 2013.
https://files.dnr.state.mn.us/recreation/hunting/wolf/2013-wolf-season-report.pdf
Good info craw. I thought that the hunting success rate was around 5%. Trapping is far more effective.
Kill them all, there’s a reason out great grandfathers and grandfathers set out to get rid of them…
have ant of you guys seen any video from a group that call themselves the”wolf Patrol” ?
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