Back to School ?

  • captddh
    Cannon Falls, MN
    Posts: 534
    #1955950

    Going back to School as we once knew it is a very bad idea in my opinion. The virus will further spread killing thousands and further tank the economy. Some answer in the middle may be the way,…bring kids in once a week on a staggered schedule and load them up with assignments. Distant learning can be effective if the appropriate time and attention is provided. I believe teachers treated it as a temporary deal last spring as we all hoped this would go away in a few months. Now that we know its not,…more attention and improvements to distant learning will work. Business has adapted so can schools. Parents need to also be role models and work with their kids every evening and not pass off education and socialization to the school system. My 2 cents,..done now.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11836
    #1955952

    That’s sounds wonderful. Who is going to care and watch those kids during the day. Both myself and wife work full time.

    slough
    Posts: 593
    #1955953

    I’ll start by saying I’m a HS teacher. Lots of things that have been posted in this thread have gone through our teacher discussions as well. So many unknowns and things we’ve never had to deal with before. A few things to mention:
    – No doubt it is best for kids to be in school for their development, I don’t think anyone would argue that. In talking to several kids this summer, they all remarked how they hated the distance learning and wished for school to be back.
    – I don’t see a testing system being very feasible. If a kid gets sick or is found to have been infected, he’s going to have been exposed to so many people at school by that time that I just don’t see the “test and isolate” approach working very well. Not to mention its cost. And if you’re going to take everyone who has been exposed out of school for a week or two, you might as well just do full-time distance learning. I really think the only option is to take out those who are sick or have an infected family member.
    – There will be next to no substitute teachers. I’d say 80% of the subs we have are retired folks; I can’t imagine many of them wanting to come in.
    – It was mentioned to space desks further apart – have you seen an average classroom? Most classrooms already are ‘spaced apart’ as much as possible when you’re throwing 30 kids into a 400 sq. ft classroom.
    – There’s no way we’ll be able to get all kids to follow sanitation guidelines or wear masks, etc. It’s not like we can forcibly put a mask on a kid or forcibly remove a kid not following the rules – we’d be on CNN in an instant. Too many parents will not support it (look at online discussions of people with extreme views). The one thing I’ve learned over my years in public education is the minute someone complains and says their education is being disrupted, all ‘policies’ fly out the window.
    I’m not a decision-maker but I think some part of these things will be included this fall:
    – No doubt kids are going to miss extended time. There will have to be a ‘blended’ aspect to classes with online learning to support in-person learning. Perhaps have teachers who are at-risk focus on the online part.
    – Partial classes: Maybe have half the kids come in Monday, half Tuesday, etc. while the other half to online work at home. Maybe have half the students come in from 7:30-11:30 and the other half from noon-4:00. Perhaps make Fridays a catch-up day. No doubt it wouldn’t be as rigorous as normal but it would be better than total distance learning.
    – Staggered passing times: Instead of having all kids flood the hallways when the bell rings, make ‘teams’ that switch classes at staggered times. This is much more difficult than it sounds at the HS level since practically no 2 kids take all the same classes with all the tech ed, language, art, music, AP, college-credit electives.
    – Keep kids in classrooms and move the teachers around, instead of moving a thousand bodies around the building you move a few dozen teachers. Again very difficult since kids take so many different classes. It could work for the ‘core’ classes like english, social studies, etc.
    – Lunch delivered to classrooms instead of congregating in the cafeteria.

    I am definitely glad that I don’t have to set up these plans and it will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20815
    #1955955

    Of course I want every one to be safe and not sick. But as a single father of a 9 yr old son and being i never got laid off we actually have gotten busier, distance learning is very difficult. When I get home at 6 pm or 7 then needing to spend a few hours doing home work is very tough. Life is already a struggle shifting the kid from grandmas to grandpas maybe aunt or uncle. Then to ask them all to be his teacher on top of it. We ended up opting out of the last 2 months of school. I made him read and do math exercises daily but not strictly book work and then the rest was life lessons. He helped me and learned how to rebuild my yz 250, his yz 80, mowing the lawn and all sorts of things.

    greig john
    Inactive
    Minnesota
    Posts: 106
    #1955956

    New idea:
    If you wanted kids so bad, you should have been prepared to educate them yourself. You stay home.

    #ProtectTheTeachers

    joe-winter
    St. Peter, MN
    Posts: 1281
    #1955964

    New idea:
    If you wanted kids so bad, you should have been prepared to educate them yourself. You stay home.

    #ProtectTheTeachers

    very admireable. when the going gets tough? run away…..

    #don’tsignuptobeafirefighterifyou’reunwillingtogointoafire

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11899
    #1955976

    New idea:
    If you wanted kids so bad, you should have been prepared to educate them yourself. You stay home.

    #ProtectTheTeachers

    That might be the most preposterous thing I’ve seen on here since the pandemic hit, which is really saying a lot…I pray you are being facetious.

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5955
    #1955980

    New idea:
    If you wanted kids so bad, you should have been prepared to educate them yourself. You stay home.

    #ProtectTheTeachers

    Unreal. Just lost a lot of respect in my book.

    tindall
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1104
    #1955981

    I’m curious to know how daycares were deemed essential but schools were not. People with school aged kids had to make due, while everyone with small kids seemed to have lucked out. My neighbors have one parent working remotely and both their kids have gone uninterrupted, another couple are both home and their kid goes. These kids are still getting social development, learning spanish, etc, while kids a little older are left out. They might clean a bit more, but 2yr olds dont wear masks or social distance.

    Also, if you are a healthcare worker or first responder (not some “lesser” essential worker like grocery, food, etc) your kid got to continue going to school anyway because of the executive order. It’s not the same, but they were with other kids and had teachers helping them through the distance material. I felt it was unethical to send my kid because we took covid seriously and I was home and we didnt “need” him there, but in hindsight I’d be very tempted to have gotten a letter from my wife’s work and sent him.

    While I’m not for just winging it I do worry the decision making is going to be heavily skewed because it is far easier to point to a physical, tangible death than it is to identify the long term detriments to child development, family mental health, etc. At this point I am far more worried about kids staying home.

    critter 1
    Posts: 121
    #1955982

    How about the bus drivers who are mostly older and retired being cooped up with all the screaming petri dishes?

    waldo9190
    Cloquet, MN
    Posts: 1131
    #1955984

    New idea:
    If you wanted kids so bad, you should have been prepared to educate them yourself. You stay home.

    #ProtectTheTeachers

    LOL.

    “If you wanted to buy a vehicle so bad then you should have been prepared to replace cam phasers yourself….”

    jester jester jester

    Fife
    Ramsey, MN
    Posts: 4054
    #1955985

    I’ve heard that our district at the K-5 level is planning to have students start the next school year with their previous teacher. My daughter going into second grade will start with his first grade teacher. My son going into Kindergarten will start with a 5th grade teacher since their students are moving on to middle school. At some point they will transition to a new teacher during the school year.

    My wife is a nurse and I’ve kept working, so our kids have been in daycare and the before/after school program continuously through all of this. They have their temps taken at the door each day. Class sizes are 7-10 kids each day. In a given week they usually have 2-4 of the same teachers in their room. No student, teacher, or faculty has tested positive for Covid. If school opens back up, we would send our children.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1955993

    I’m curious to know how daycares were deemed essential but schools were not. People with school aged kids had to make due, while everyone with small kids seemed to have lucked out. My neighbors have one parent working remotely and both their kids have gone uninterrupted, another couple are both home and their kid goes. These kids are still getting social development, learning spanish, etc, while kids a little older are left out. They might clean a bit more, but 2yr olds dont wear masks or social distance.
    Also, if you are a healthcare worker or first responder (not some “lesser” essential worker like grocery, food, etc) your kid got to continue going to school anyway because of the executive order. It’s not the same, but they were with other kids and had teachers helping them through the distance material. I felt it was unethical to send my kid because we took covid seriously and I was home and we didnt “need” him there, but in hindsight I’d be very tempted to have gotten a letter from my wife’s work and sent him.

    You sort of answered your own question but I think the answer to your question is that in a perfect world, we would isolate everyone so no one is at risk. It was determine that a small amount of kids together was likely less risk that full classrooms. Not to mention the criticality that essential workers can go to work.

    At the time, there wasn’t a lot of data about how this disease spreads in kids and schools. It’s still not clear but at this point, most of the data suggests that this does not spread the same amongst kids as it does in adults.

    If outbreaks occur in certain communities or schools, they can be shut down locally as they already do with the flu. The risk here is much lower than is being portrayed.

    https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

    Policy makers must also consider the mounting evidence regarding COVID-19 in children and adolescents, including the role they may play in transmission of the infection. SARS-CoV-2 appears to behave differently in children and adolescents than other common respiratory viruses, such as influenza, on which much of the current guidance regarding school closures is based. Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection. Policies to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 within schools must be balanced with the known harms to children, adolescents, families, and the community by keeping children at home.

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5955
    #1956008

    Going back to School as we once knew it is a very bad idea in my opinion. The virus will further spread killing thousands and further tank the economy. Some answer in the middle may be the way,…bring kids in once a week on a staggered schedule and load them up with assignments. Distant learning can be effective if the appropriate time and attention is provided. I believe teachers treated it as a temporary deal last spring as we all hoped this would go away in a few months. Now that we know its not,…more attention and improvements to distant learning will work. Business has adapted so can schools. Parents need to also be role models and work with their kids every evening and not pass off education and socialization to the school system. My 2 cents,..done now.

    I am not totally against a hybrid model, but…… how long do you suggest this go on?

    In your example of 1 day a week, how long do our children get a 20% education? How long do they get 20% socialization?

    It’s not enough.

    B-man
    Posts: 5944
    #1956009

    New idea:
    If you wanted kids so bad, you should have been prepared to educate them yourself. You stay home.

    #ProtectTheTeachers

    It’s not that parents are unable to teach their children…..

    It’s that pesky little thing called work that most parents do that gets in the way.

    It’s hard for the kids to do homework if there are no lights on in the house.

    If I was a teacher (or anyone else laid off right now) I’d be chomping at the bit to get back to work.

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5955
    #1956010

    How about the bus drivers who are mostly older and retired being cooped up with all the screaming petri dishes?

    What about them??

    Don’t be a bus driver if you are concerned for your health. Retire or find a different part time job.

    We have about 2 months to figure this out. Hire and train people willing to do it.

    greig john
    Inactive
    Minnesota
    Posts: 106
    #1956012

    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    B-man
    Posts: 5944
    #1956019

    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    10-4

    I’m 37 with twin five year old boys.

    Retire??? Got a little ways to go….MY own Dad isn’t even retired lol

    Different job??? How would going to a different workplace for 8-14 hours every day change a thing?

    Somehow I can go to work every day but teachers and bus drivers are too special???

    I know name calling is frowned upon here, but I have a few in mind for you sir….

    Coletrain27
    Posts: 4789
    #1956022

    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    well thats the dumbest thing ive heard so far today… what kind of jobs let your kids come to work with you every day all day?

    greig john
    Inactive
    Minnesota
    Posts: 106
    #1956024

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>greig john wrote:</div>
    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    10-4

    I’m 37 with twin five year old boys.

    Retire??? Got a little ways to go….MY own Dad isn’t even retired lol

    Different job??? How would going to a different workplace for 8-14 hours every day change a thing?

    Somehow I can go to work every day but teachers and bus drivers are too special???

    I know name calling is frowned upon here, but I have a few in mind for you sir….

    So it’s okay for you to force that choice on the teachers with diabetes, but it’s not okay to force that choice on you?
    Got it.

    Justin riegel
    Posts: 952
    #1956031

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>B-man wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>greig john wrote:</div>
    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    10-4

    I’m 37 with twin five year old boys.

    Retire??? Got a little ways to go….MY own Dad isn’t even retired lol

    Different job??? How would going to a different workplace for 8-14 hours every day change a thing?

    Somehow I can go to work every day but teachers and bus drivers are too special???

    I know name calling is frowned upon here, but I have a few in mind for you sir….

    So it’s okay for you to force that choice on the teachers with diabetes, but it’s not okay to force that choice on you?
    Got it.

    When I and everyone else pays their salaries via taxes then yes. Some teachers took distance learn seriously but my daughters did not and she received full for not doing any of her work. Even after calls to the principal there was no action taken.

    greig john
    Inactive
    Minnesota
    Posts: 106
    #1956034

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>greig john wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>B-man wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>greig john wrote:</div>
    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    10-4

    I’m 37 with twin five year old boys.

    Retire??? Got a little ways to go….MY own Dad isn’t even retired lol

    Different job??? How would going to a different workplace for 8-14 hours every day change a thing?

    Somehow I can go to work every day but teachers and bus drivers are too special???

    I know name calling is frowned upon here, but I have a few in mind for you sir….

    So it’s okay for you to force that choice on the teachers with diabetes, but it’s not okay to force that choice on you?
    Got it.

    When I and everyone else pays their salaries via taxes then yes. Some teachers took distance learn seriously but my daughters did not and she received full for not doing any of her work. Even after calls to the principal there was no action taken.

    Incompetence is a different discussion.

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20815
    #1956038

    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    Sounds like finding different jobs right now is a tough thing to do. Why don’t all the old teachers find different jobs so the young ones can come in.

    Your thought process is a tough one to figure out.

    Justin riegel
    Posts: 952
    #1956039

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Justin riegel wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>greig john wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>B-man wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>greig john wrote:</div>
    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    10-4

    I’m 37 with twin five year old boys.

    Retire??? Got a little ways to go….MY own Dad isn’t even retired lol

    Different job??? How would going to a different workplace for 8-14 hours every day change a thing?

    Somehow I can go to work every day but teachers and bus drivers are too special???

    I know name calling is frowned upon here, but I have a few in mind for you sir….

    So it’s okay for you to force that choice on the teachers with diabetes, but it’s not okay to force that choice on you?
    Got it.

    When I and everyone else pays their salaries via taxes then yes. Some teachers took distance learn seriously but my daughters did not and she received full for not doing any of her work. Even after calls to the principal there was no action taken.

    Incompetence is a different discussion.

    Same discussion….If our kids can not get the same education and socialization through distance learning programs then they should not be implemented.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1770
    #1956040

    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    We can ignore this clown and pay for his groceries, get delivered to his cave and pay for his power bill so he can keep watching the news…. Have a good day Greig..

    Fowldreams55398
    Posts: 141
    #1956041

    New idea:
    If you wanted kids so bad, you should have been prepared to educate them yourself. You stay home.

    #ProtectTheTeachers

    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    You definitely are still living in your moms basement aren’t you? This has got to be the most idiotic thing I have seen in a longtime.

    greig john
    Inactive
    Minnesota
    Posts: 106
    #1956045

    If it’s so easy for these teachers and bus drivers to quit or find a different job, then it should be just as easy for you parents to quit or find a job working from home.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12103
    #1956046

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>greig john wrote:</div>
    Can’t go to work because you have school-aged children at home? Retire or find a different job.

    We can ignore this clown and pay for his groceries, get delivered to his cave and pay for his power bill so he can keep watching the news…. Have a good day Greig..

    100% – I don’t know why anyone even responds to this guys comments. He’s not worth the time. I don’t know what world he lives in – But its not the same as the rest of us do.

    greig john
    Inactive
    Minnesota
    Posts: 106
    #1956047

    Good game, fellas.
    My internet time is up and Mom needs to use the computer now.

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