LIVER SHOT

A WISE MAN LISTENS. AN IGNORANT MAN DOESN’T. LIKE I SAID EAT WHAT YA WANT. GIVES ME JOY JUST KNOWING YA WILL. HAHAHA!

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A WISE MAN LISTENS. AN IGNORANT MAN DOESN’T. LIKE I SAID EAT WHAT YA WANT. GIVES ME JOY JUST KNOWING YA WILL. HAHAHA!

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Thanks for making my morning fun Butcher

whats the worst that could happen we get old have gray hair take our shirts off and have someone take our picture holding a grass carp

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A WISE MAN LISTENS. AN IGNORANT MAN DOESN’T. LIKE I SAID EAT WHAT YA WANT. GIVES ME JOY JUST KNOWING YA WILL. HAHAHA!

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A wise man says what he knows to be fact… he doesn’t say every deer that is recovered a day later has toxins…. he doesn’t take something that has had 1 reported occurence in the US since the mid 50’s, in which homemade Venison Jerky had Botulism and apply it to every deer that is not recovered in 2-3 hours…. he also doesn’t say cooking Venison (above 121′ F) will not get rid of the toxin, when it will. I would call that man ignorant, uneducated & trying to scare the public…. But hey that’s just me

YA PICK-UP BLOATED ROAD KILL DON’T YA?

OK, when I feel as if someone is trying to take me back to 3rd grade, that’s when I bow out…. I don’t partake in child abuse….

ok that is a little different than a shot deer

They both sit with the guts in for many hours.

I think we all agree. Your advice is sound. Clean ethical shots(sorry, no archery shot is 100%), recover the animal as quickly as possible, cool the meat as quick as possible and process. However, in the real world this doesn’t always happen.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been string jumped, hit unforseen twigs, got buck fever, misjudged the range. All these factors and a million others can affect the quick ethical archery kill we all strive for. If the not so perfect situation arises, all we can do is make decisions on the information we have at the time. We found the deer, but it was 12 hours later. After field dressing and removing the hide, do I smell anything bad? Is the meat discolored? What was the temp out the last 12 hours?

I guess what I’m saying, rather than cast a wide net saying any deer that wasn’t recovered in a few hours is spoiled. What are the signs to look for? We are all here to laugh, learn and enjoy each other.

I’m also of the opinion it’s not fair to judge shot placement unless I’m sitting there in the stand with you and have practiced enough with you to know your limitations. I know for a fact, far too many things can happen when archery hunting. Maybe that is part of why we love it so much? Getting archery close to critters is one of the biggest challenges any outdoorsman will have. I’ve missed deer inside of 20 yards, cleanly. No reason. Then when i think back, what was my site picture, was I holding my bow wrong, did I have that poor of posture?? Who knows, but all I know is my arrow sailed because of something I did wrong.

Hey Ford 1326 did you ever find the deer. Just wondering if you did, was it OK??

Picking up road kill

It’s not really so different…..once the animal dies the process starts whether it’s road kill or archery kill. Trust me you will know if it’s tainted or not, color and smell will let you know……you can’t wash it out if it’s tainted…..it smells bad. Every situation is different and you’ll need to assess the situation upon recovery.

I’m hoping the judgemental posts go away soon. It’s not gonna make it any fun to come here if all we gotta hear about is how poor of hunters we are.

I’m not judging anyone….it’s a fact that we all can’t make perfect shots. I hope he was able to find the deer and it was ok…. I think Norseman got jumped on here. The Question was raised will it be good shot at dusk, will it be good AFTER work. When is that? 4 o’clock the next day…..I’d guess it’s not going to be any good. The deer could have been dead for 15-20 hours chances are not good that the meat will be good…..if he found it the next morning it might…..and I mean might be good….That is why I stated every situation different and you’ll need to assess upon recovery.

My post wasn’t directed at either of you specifically, I just happened to reply to the last post. A general statement for all to take into consideration. One thing IDO has always been pretty good at is policing ourselves.

I think most people, especially those here, have enough guilt when it comes to losing an animal. Let alone being criticised and humiliated publicly. We have a PM system, hopefully it gets used for the negative stuff.

Did he lose the animal? None of us know at this point. There has been no reply.

I don’t think anyone here was try to make him feel guilty or bad: it’s unfortunately a part of game. I’d guess most guys here have been in this situation. If you haven’t yet you probably will at some point.

I believe Norseman was trying give him good advise. Not know what after work meant, I’d assume 15-20 hours possibly.
It’s a good chance it will not be good, if that is indeed was how long it was going to be.

Whatsa

Whatsa… from my point of view. The guy asked a question and most guys said, probably… like you said, every situation is different… it could expire in minutes after being arrowed, or 16 hours later, you don’t know until you find it. But for someone to say NO GOOD.. 3-4 hour window !!! Come on, that is just plain misleading… then to further go on and throw the Botulism BS in there… I googled it, rarely, but mostly canned food issue, one occurence with venison since the 50’s when somebody jerkied up some rotten meat and probably didn’t hit 121′ F in the process. Then to say “cooking” food will not kill the toxin, again he misleads & says NO !!! Wrong, again googled it, look at the CDC results….. heating to minimum 121′ F kills Botulism, just too much misleading and discouraging news… and then to go into roadkill, that’s plain childish… then as history has proven, he likes to lecture, saying you need to make the perfect shot, like he has been doing since Noah dropped the deer off….so you don’t run into this stuff ??? WTF is that ??? It just gets old after awhile…. most try to make this site fun and educational… some like to run down other hunters, who maybe aren’t as great as they themselves are… that guy I will call to the mat everytime.

I don’t know Norseman and and I don’t know of his posts so I don’t want to to get into that.

When it come right down to it you have a pretty small window to recover the deer before it starts to spoil, if it hasn’t started to spoil, it a good chance the Yotes are chewing on it.

I believe the best advise is to try and recover it as soon as possible after it expires.

I shot a doe two years ago at 5pm, I knew I had made a bad shot. The deer was below my stand and limb of my bow hit my stand upon release. This made me hit the deer further back than desired. I waited till 7 pm to start trailing the deer. The deer only went 70 yards and bedded. You guessed it she wasn’t dead….she jumped and ran…. I backed out and came back at 9pm she went another 70 yards and had bedded. Again she jumped up and ran. I did this again at 10 pm and midnight. Each time she ran 70 yards and would bed. I decided to wait until morning and walked in at 6 am and found her……it was a cold night it had got down 22 degrees.

With the gut shot, she was already getting bad, that was 6 hours from the last time I saw her alive. Anything that was touching the chest and stomach cavity was bad. I salvaged the hams only. They do spoil and they do spoil in cold weather.

Do the best that you can as soon as you can, I don’t think you can wait more 3-4 hours on a gut shot deer, in my first hand experience I lost some meat.

Whatsa

I think as sportsman it’s our responsibility to try and recover the game as quickly as possible. Unfortunatly bad shots happen…and with that comes the decision by the hunter whether to let it lay or go after it. Some times it’s ok to head afer it…depending on the hit. But for bad shots I think it’s best to give them time to expire and retrieve them later. You are not doing the deer any good if you push them after a couple of hours. You may lose a deer if you push them too quickly! Granted, letting the deer lay may result in some of the meat spoiling (depending again on shot placement and outside temps), but to me it’s better than losing the entire deer because I pushed it out of it’s bed before it had time to expire. Just my .02!

But that is a gut shot deer. What about a well placed heart or lung shot

As I stated…depends on the hit. A good placed shot (heart or lungs) can be recovered right away! The deer will die in just a few seconds!

The difficult part is if it happens at night over night, in a lot of cases overnight is to long. I agree you need to wait on a marginal hits. In my situation if it would have happened during the day I believe I could have crept close enough to get a second arrow off in my situation, but being night time that was out of the question. I could tell my deer wasn’t traveling vary far but it was night time and you can’t bring your bow with you. If I wouldn’t have fallen asleep, I would have went back out at 2am to give it another try. It’s too easy some times to say I’ll get it in the morning……

Again every situation is different and only you know where your shot landed.
Good Luck to all in these situations.

Whatsa

I really think when it comes down to it… whether you butcher your own deer or take to the locker…. you will know what you got. If it’s apricot color, like Norseman says, I know I wouldn’t eat it. I throw out shot up parts from a deer that I recovered immediately…. just doesn’t look right, even if its fine to eat. If the front quarters look and smell fine… I will butcher it & eat it. I don’t think there is a Black and White answer…. it all depends on shot placement, how quickly it expires, how much it bleeds out, what was the temp, how long did it lay, who was chewing on it… ? I think we have exhausted this thread, maybe he found it, maybe he didn’t. Probably too scared to type anything again…

On a well placed shot the deer won’t spoil as quickly, but they will still spoil. You may get another hour before it starts to spoil.

I’m guessing your not going to wait until the next day after work to look for it either.

How about them VIKES

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How about them VIKES

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7 – 1 and we have a bye week! YES!!!!

Id rather eat a liver shot deer than cheer for the vikes

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Id rather eat a liver shot deer than cheer for the vikes

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We know. Hey Ford1326….do you have an update for us?