Anglers feeling railroaded by trespassing laws

  • Dave Koonce
    Moderator
    Prairie du Chien Wi.
    Posts: 6946
    #1579357

    If your outdoor adventures take you across railroad tracks in Wisconsin, be aware that it’s now illegal to cross over tracks unless you’re at a designated railroad crossing.

    Whether you are fishing, hunting, searching for Morel mushrooms or just going for a walk with your dog, you could be fined for trespassing if you don’t abide by the law.

    Steve Dewald, a member of the La Crosse County Conservation Alliance, said railroad police recently began threatening anglers with trespassing tickets if they continue to walk over railroad tracks to get to their favorite fishing holes along the Mississippi River.

    Dewald is a retired Department of Natural Resources (DNR) conservation warden supervisor. He first became involved with this dispute around 2000 when the Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNSF) Railroad had a fence constructed to prevent anglers from reaching popular fishing areas on the Mississippi River south of La Crosse, at Stoddard.

    The fence blocked an access to the just-completed seven-island Stoddard habitat project within the Upper Mississippi River National Wildlife and Fish Refuge. The federally funded project cost over $3.4 million to build.

    Dewald researched state law at that time and found it was legal to cross directly over tracks; however, illegal to walk up and down tracks. Armed with this new information, Dewald demanded the fence be taken down, which was … reluctantly.

    However, “the law was changed very quietly in 2005,” Dewald said. “There were no public hearings. Nobody along the river had any idea the law changed until this past year.”

    It’s now illegal to walk over railroad tracks in the entire State of Wisconsin unless you’re at a dedicated crossing.

    “This affects so many people,” Dewald continued. “It affects the agriculture community. Due to the law change, a farmer can’t even walk across the tracks to check on his crops.”

    Dewald said there are a lot of cities that will be impacted, too. He said he knows of railroad tracks nestled between a city parking lot and public beach.

    Dennis Kirschbaum, secretary of the Prairie Du Chien Rod & Gun Club and also is a retired DNR conservation warden, agrees.

    “People want to cross the tracks to go ice fishing, or duck hunting or other types of hunting; that’s what the law was there for. It’s something we’ve been doing for years, and it’s really never been a problem.”

    Kirschbaum also says the problem goes beyond the Mississippi River.

    “We’re not only affected by the Burlington Northern tracks along the Mississippi River; we’re affected by the Southern Wisconsin tracks that run from Prairie du Chien to Madison. There are a lot of river bottoms along the Wisconsin River (over 79,000 acres) that are part of the Lower Wisconsin State Riverway that we won’t be able to get to like we have in the past,” Kirschbaum said.

    During the last state budget, legislation reached the desk of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker that would have restored the old law allowing a person to walk directly across tracks or the right-of-way of any railroad without it being considered trespassing. However, it was vetoed by Walker.

    Walker said: “I am vetoing this section because I am concerned that allowing people to walk across railroad tracks outside of a designated crossing impairs public safety.”

    BNSF Railway owns 267 route miles of track in Wisconsin.

    “Safety is paramount in all that we do at BNSF,” Amy McBeth, BNSF director of public affairs, said.

    I asked McBeth how many anglers, hunters or trappers have been hit by a train in Wisconsin. McBeth directed me to the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) for accident data.

    The Federal Railroad Administration website shows that from 2011 through 2014, there were 26 train-related injuries or deaths in Wisconsin, excluding highway collisions. The website did not mention how many outdoor recreationists were involved in the 26 cases.

    However, the La Crosse Tribune reported that, statistically, accidents are more likely from people intoxicated, suicidal or simply wandering down the tracks than crossing them.

    Marc Schultz, board member of the Mississippi River Citizens Commission and chairman of the La Crosse County Conservation Alliance, said he does not believe crossing railroad tracks is a major safety issue. Many outdoor enthusiasts agree and say crossing a busy street in Madison is more dangerous than crossing railroad tracks around Stoddard and other locations.

    Schultz said he believes this law will have a big impact on tourism.

    “Crossing the tracks is a cultural and economic tradition here in the Mississippi River Valley, and I would say it is in other places, too. There are railroads all over the state that follow rivers and go through parks, state or national forests and wildlife areas.”

    Schultz said there has been significant financial investment of both federal and state dollars in Mississippi River public access facilities (parking lots, etc.), not only in Wisconsin, but Minnesota and Iowa as well. He said a different railroad company recently started enforcing trespassing laws across the river in Iowa, too.

    These major investments are in places now unusable, he said, adding, “Those areas are no longer accessible to someone on foot.”

    Schultz said railroad trespassing laws can vary from state to state. According to Chip Pew, railroad safety specialist with the Illinois Commerce Commission, Illinois law in general is similar to Wisconsin’s. It states that no person may walk, ride, drive or be upon or along the right-of-way or railyard of a rail carrier within the state, at a place other than a public crossing.

    Mark Clements owns Clements Fishing Barge on the Mississippi River in Genoa. Clements said his business has had a lease with the railroad since the 1950s. The lease allows his customers to cross the tracks to get to his shuttle boat.

    Because Clements’ situation is rare, Schultz is meeting with outdoor representatives from three states in an attempt to resolve the trespassing issue. The group is putting together a list of questions to send to elected state and federal officials, the main question being, “how are we going to provide access?”

    The focus “isn’t to allow kids to play football on the railroad tracks,” Dewald said.

    “Everybody is concerned about safety. This is about strictly walking directly across the tracks using reasonable care to get to the other side,”he noted.

    Schultz said this public access issue escalated into a big problem because the legislation didn’t get public review.

    “Nobody got a chance to talk about it,” he said.

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1579363

    Dang, interesting article. I spend a lot of time in Winona, not so much the Wisconsin side, but I have fished over there a fair amount of times. Not crossing railroad tracks would seriously hamstring your walk to fishing options.

    slipperybob
    Lil'Can, MN
    Posts: 1418
    #1579376

    Don’t know the actual law in MN, but as long as I’ve heard, RR tracks are not public.

    I don’t understand why they can’t put up a simple pedestrian crossing… Not much different from a street crossing.

    Then there are those over the railroad crossing like your pedestrian bridge crossing.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1579381

    “Everybody is concerned about safety. This is about strictly walking directly across the tracks using reasonable care to get to the other side,”he noted.

    Hmmm. Look both ways whistling

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4497
    #1579390

    WI needs a solid, common sense, intelligent outdoorsman for a governor like we have here in….oh wait, never mind

    BassinBill
    La Crosse, Wi
    Posts: 247
    #1579428

    It’s definitely an interesting article. Hopefully they expedite a solution.

    castle-rock-clown
    Posts: 2596
    #1579590

    Maybe modify it to state that if a person is more than 1/8th of a mile of a designated crossing, and in possession of either a bow, gun, or fishing gear they are exempt from being cited for trespassing.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10602
    #1579591

    Well thank you government for protecting me from everything.
    Whatever happened to Stop, Look, Listen? That seemed to have worked for the past 100 years or so.
    Common sense ain’t to common anymore.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16768
    #1579599

    The root of it all I would guess BNSF got sued by somebody who was killed on the tracks. That suit got the insurance lobby and the lawyers involved.

    Ultimately by allowing lawsuits where a stupid action (being on a railroad track) caused a death you get this type of legislation. It’s just another instance where personal responsibility has been shifted to the courts & government.

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1579603

    It may be law, but is anyone seriously going to be in the middle of the woods, come to the tracks and say to themselves “oh gee goly wiz look at that there, better turn around”, probably not. As Dutchie said, its there for liability purposes for the government, just like AIS, they are mandated by others to do something.

    And look at AIS laws, on IDO how many people have been ticketed for this, maybe a handful since it came out? Keep doing what you’re doing people. Let’s focus our priorities to important issues that need change, like open beers in the truck, cmon!

    Dusty Gesinger
    Minnetrista, Minnesota
    Posts: 2417
    #1579605

    For random crossing of the tracks, I don’t see the issue, but there are very common spots with heavier traffic that would be easier to patrol and enforce, figure out a disclaimer/ release form?

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
    Posts: 2973
    #1579688

    They have railroad cops at some of the main fishing areas…..
    They WILL issue a ticket if a guy raises too much hell…

    TripleA
    Blaine
    Posts: 655
    #1579729

    This is more of a common sense issue IMO. Use common sense and post your ticket on this site if you get caught…

    carroll58
    Twin Cities, USA
    Posts: 2094
    #1579827

    Someone should start a movement via social media, like I did on Facebook last Decemeber to Repeal the Minnesota Trailer Sticker Law.

    It takes a time commitment and you’ll generate overwhelming support and the State Legislature will take notice.

    https://www.facebook.com/Repeal-MN-Statute-86B13-1593672207529357/

    Good Luck & Best Wishes,

    That’s the last thing we need is State telling everyone a Railroad is a Barrier Not to be Crossed to access Public and/or Private Lands!

    Duke M
    Posts: 208
    #1579859

    Here is what really torques me on this issue. The railroads got their rights of way in sweet heart deals back in history. Okay, fine, but realizing this the public had a right to walk across the tracks to access areas that DO NOT BELONG TO THE RAILROAD. Okay, fast forward to 2005 and liability issues and now they sneak a trespass law through in a budget bill. Does the railroad pay property taxes on their rights of way? What is the value of all the shoreline they control?
    I have managed forest land and I have to pay $5 per acre to keep it closed, and I understand that fee is going to rise to $10 per acre. What is the R/R paying to close these rights of way.
    I am steamed!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22529
    #1580024

    If you lighten up your gear you bring and get a running jump, who can’t clear the tracks ? devil

    TripleA
    Blaine
    Posts: 655
    #1580031

    SO- They only ticket you if they catch you right?… another law that will be broken by the common sense rule. Speeding is illegal too, and MUCH more dangerous than crossing tracks, but it doesn’t stop anyone.

    Rob92761
    La Crosse WI
    Posts: 101
    #1580056

    You know this all got started because some idiot did not look both way when he cross the tracks got hit by train. then some lawyer sued the Railroad company, so they lobby law makes to make it illegal. Happens all the time. Here are some examples gas cans, Tire Pressure monitor system. So who pays in the long run

    flatfish
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2105
    #1580057

    Common sense ain’t to common anymore.

    Unfortunately, this is the God awful truth! But if ‘stupid is as stupid does’, how are we ever going to clean up the gene pool?!

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1580060

    Unfortunately, this is the God awful truth! But if ‘stupid is as stupid does’, how are we ever going to clean up the gene pool?!

    Just leave them be, they’ll take care of the problem all by themselves.

    The newly rebuilt bridge over the Mississippi on highway 52 in South St. Paul yesterday coming back home from Thanksgiving dinner would be a good example. I had just gotten on the bridge off I35 when some idiot on foot began to run across from east to the west side. Where he got on at I haven’t a clue, but with the rain/snow there yesterday the bridge decking where tires didn’t hit were ice and this sap went down three times going across the south-bound lanes. Its a bridge so I haven’t a clue where he thought he was going to get, but he darned near got dead when he fell once smack in one of the lanes.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #1580123

    Your right Rob, lawsuits and the insurance companies don’t want to cover everyday mistakes. I think everyone here would be surprised how many rules and regulations are in place because of insurance influence regulating all the rules. Because insurance companies won’t cover certain things, the lobbiests just get a law passed to inforce the rules, seat belts?, gas cans you have to be a scientist to open etc.? all have insurance influence. Going to a gas station and wanting to simply fill a plastic gas can, can be a real pain now.

    Mudshark
    LaCrosse WI
    Posts: 2973
    #1580131

    The gas-can thing was an EPA edict….not a law thing.

    KwickStick
    At the intersection of Pools 6 & 7
    Posts: 595
    #1580196

    No surprise our idiot governor sided with big business and not the lowlife people like you and I.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #1580204

    I know what your saying Mudshark but Id bet a buck insurance had their fingers in it too. My son has a friend who we fish with and he took a 2 year law course to get a job in a lawyers office. While in school the teacher told the class that virtually every law and regulation passed since sometime in the late 60’s had insurance influence in it. I said every law Justin? and he said every law and regulation, I know I couldn’t believe it either.

    I know it sounds crazy but who insures those branches of office incase they make the wrong decision, rule or regulation and a good lawyer gets ahold of the suit.

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