Anglers Continue To Catch Fish on a Hot Bite Once A Limit is Achieved

I don’t know if thats true Mike. For years we have been told netting during the spawn doesn’t effect fish populations.

You do the same thing with a hot bite as you’d do a hot date –

Stay on ‘er!

Rivergills wrote:

I know on the WI/MN boundry waters pretty sure once you reach the limit for a species, you must stop fishing for that species. This includes catch and release fishing. This is what the regulation reads anyways.

Can you cite your source in the regs? I don’t see that anywhere.

As a catch and release fisherman I guess I need to just quit fishing then. I mean the zero fish I kept in the last 10 years probably had a .5% mortality rate compared to the 100% casualty rate of a fish that’s been eaten, but PETA would agree with you that I’m the bad guy.

This is how they do it. Villifing C&R fishing. Baby steps. The ultimate goal is nobody fishing or hunting for anything.
The bite has been really good all over the state this winter. I’ve had multiple trips where I’ve caught a limit in the first hour after driving 2.5hrs to get there. No way I’m leaving a good bite after an hour.

Me neither. I was wrong. It is for WI waters. Sorry.
You will find it in section Difference between possession and daily bag limit.

Pailofperch wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jon Jordan wrote:</div>
Ok, I stand corrected for inland regs. Must have been another state or lake I was thinking of. (Page 32 of MN regs) I know I was warned one time many years ago.

-J.

I also stand corrected. I just looked. That is a rule or two I feel has surely has changed. I won’t change the way I do things though as I feel it makes more sense.

Yes, it was changed a while back. Normally I would just say a few years back but I think that it was longer than that.

Canada has a good tourism industry and I can guarantee you that it is not built on catching just your limit. As long as your are not unintentionally killing fish it is hard to condemn the practice.

Karry Kyllo wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>
You guys must hate catch and release fisherman then ?
This makes no sense. And is no different then a guy practicing catch and release. I know if I’m on a hot bite I’m still fishing. Couldn’t imagine all the times I would have missed out on if I couldn’t keep fishing after I kept my fish. But oh well. It’s legal and I will keep the catching and releasing going after my limit, just like the reg book says is fine and legal.

There is a major difference between legal and ethical. Ethics are difficult if not impossible to regulate. Is catch and releasing well over a hundred fish in deep water ethical?

I don’t fish deep water ever so I’m not the guy to ask.

I almost hate to admit it but when we purchased our lake property I was taken aback at how many people in the area were always on a meat hunt. Most had lost their license to fish or hunt at some point due to poaching deer or over harvesting fish. It wasn’t even a deterrent they just kept doing it. Not near enough enforcement and penalties aren’t what they need to be. C&R is not the issue over harvesting is the problem. People do it with impunity on a rather large scale.

Karry Kyllo wrote:

Is catch and releasing well over a hundred fish in deep water ethical?

Why do you keep bringing deep water into this? OP specifically said they were not fishing deep water. Deep enough water to impact release would make it a completely different scenario, but that’s not the case here

For the record I’m team whack and stack. I like catching fish and I’m not going to self impose a ‘hooking mortality’ limit on myself

We’ve officially reached the dog days of Winter on IDO. This is the time of year where the ice is thick, the bite slows, hunting season is an afterthought, yet there’s no sign of Spring or a good late ice bite yet.

Topics pivot towards things like Rams and their stickers, Should Dutch stay here, Tariffs, and now criticizing the RELEASE of fish. Now we just need a couple more political posts, sprinkle in something about egg prices and bird flu, and maybe something about Mille Lacs……..and Spring will be here!

Gary Korsgaden wrote:

There is a certain percentage of fish that don’t survive due to hooking mortality and how the fish is handled before released and the length it is out of the water before released. Hard to determine as it depends on the situation again how its handled. This is called hooking mortality.

Hooking Mortality exists, obviously, but it does not have an impact on fish populations. There is a reason the DNR does not use it anywhere besides Mille Lacs and it’s boondoggle of “co”-management.

How about this Gary, my 7 year old and 4 year old catch sunnies off the dock all weekend long at the cabin, we keep some, sometimes even a limit, should they have to quit fishing? Or when they are only catching dinks, how many should they be able to CnR before having to quit? I think we probably agree on the answer to those questions. And the rules should not differ for anyone else imo.

Ice Cap wrote:

I almost hate to admit it but when we purchased our lake property I was taken aback at how many people in the area were always on a meat hunt. Most had lost their license to fish or hunt at some point due to poaching deer or over harvesting fish. It wasn’t even a deterrent they just kept doing it. Not near enough enforcement and penalties aren’t what they need to be. C&R is not the issue over harvesting is the problem. People do it with impunity on a rather large scale.

So how many times have you lost your license?

Gary Korsgaden wrote:

There is a certain percentage of fish that don’t survive due to hooking mortality

Turtle and eagle lives matter!!!!

buckybadger wrote:

We’ve officially reached the dog days of Winter on IDO. This is the time of year where the ice is thick, the bite slows, hunting season is an afterthought, yet there’s no sign of Spring or a good late ice bite yet.

Topics pivot towards things like Rams and their stickers, Should Dutch stay here, Tariffs, and now criticizing the RELEASE of fish. Now we just need a couple more political posts, sprinkle in something about egg prices and bird flu, and maybe something about Mille Lacs……..and Spring will be here!

Perch bite on Mille lacs is still strong and uh oh in the deep basin.

Think we have it covered.

Gary Korsgaden wrote:

Your fine, let me try to clarify. There is a certain percentage of fish that don’t survive due to hooking mortality and how the fish is handled before released and the length it is out of the water before released. Hard to determine as it depends on the situation again how its handled. This is called hooking mortality. Happy to read that most understand not a good idea to fish deep water ex: 25 and deeper due to barotrauma. Harvest is the wrong word, because some fish will not make it due to just fishing wasted, is what I tried to get at. Catch and release fishing was put in motion years ago as a means to encourage releasing larger fish of a species that an angler may not want. Personally, my opinion catching the limit and continuing releasing 100 or more, doesn’t show respecting the resource when in their next breath screaming for lowering the limits when in reality by doing so won’t do any good. Thank you everyone who took the time to respond. Jason Mitchell is one promoter that does it right.

Thank you for your clarification.

I stand by my earlier statements then.

This strikes me as a “people in glass houses” area. Anglers criticizing other anglers only serves to start adding fuel to the idea that anti-hunters have been pushing for years: When it comes to sport angling, you don’t NEED to be doing this at all.

So now we’re going to start saying MY view of what is right/wrong when it comes to sport angling is the correct view where that guy over there, well, he’s doing it legally, but it’s all wrong? Glass houses, etc…

As someone above pointed out, Canada (and a whole lot of other places) have a whole tourism industry based on basically C&R. So now we, as anglers, are going to start nit-picking what kind of C&R is right vs wrong?

Yikes, I don’t like where that’s going to end up.

Lock me up. I caught my limit of walleyes Sunday morning and fished again in the afternoon with no intent of keeping anything.

Netguy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Karry Kyllo wrote:</div>
Attached is a from a recent Facebook post on Lake of the Woods Fishing and it’s a tally of the number of fish caught evidently by individuals in a house.

My question is why didn’t “C” give “P” the hot lure??

“P” was passed out.

Common sense is where it should end up and it’s common sense and not not just my view that the mortality rate of fish caught and released in deep water can be high. If you truly care abut the resource, I don’t understand why it’s so hard to quit fishing or fish for other species once you get your limit when fishing in deep water.
This certainly isn’t an anti-fishing view but a conservation view. If we can’t control ourselves, believe me someone will try to do it for us and nobody wants that.

Now the brain trust of IDO will crucify me for catch and release? I remember people jumping on other because they were not practicing catch and release. Is anyone ever happy?
I had a similar conversation with a friend about the law in Wisconsin about what happens when you get your limit. I talked with the Warden I work with and law in Wisconsin and as it is illegal to keep targeting that species once yu have a limit, it is extremely hard for him to present a case for the local D.A. to prosecute as how do you prove you weren’t targeting northern (assuming you have a limit of eyes). That being said, he looks at intent. If you are taking a picture of every walleye, holding it out of the water, measuring, etc. he would make contact with you and push it further (looking for self incrimination). he said if you simply caught another walleye, immediately unhook and threw back he would most likely look the other way. He was certainly more worried about bringing a citation to a D.A. and giving them “proof” or evidence you were targeting the walleyes.

Karry Kyllo wrote:

Common sense is where it should end up and it’s common sense and not not just my view that the mortality rate of fish caught and released in deep water can be high. If you truly care abut the resource, I don’t understand why it’s so hard to quit fishing or fish for other species once you get your limit when fishing in deep water.
This certainly isn’t an anti-fishing view but a conservation view. If we can’t control ourselves, believe me someone will try to do it for us and nobody wants that.

Sure but that is not what we are discussing in this particular post.
The OP was concerned on hooking mortality of fish in relatively shallow water. C&R practices basically thrown out the window.

Isn’t the point of fishing the actual catching of fish and the enjoyment of hook sets.

This seems to be frowned upon by some now.

riverbassman wrote:

Now the brain trust of IDO will crucify me for catch and release? I remember people jumping on other because they were not practicing catch and release. Is anyone ever happy?
I had a similar conversation with a friend about the law in Wisconsin about what happens when you get your limit. I talked with the Warden I work with and law in Wisconsin and as it is illegal to keep targeting that species once yu have a limit, it is extremely hard for him to present a case for the local D.A. to prosecute as how do you prove you weren’t targeting northern (assuming you have a limit of eyes). That being said, he looks at intent. If you are taking a picture of every walleye, holding it out of the water, measuring, etc. he would make contact with you and push it further (looking for self incrimination). he said if you simply caught another walleye, immediately unhook and threw back he would most likely look the other way. He was certainly more worried about bringing a citation to a D.A. and giving them “proof” or evidence you were targeting the walleyes.

I think the majority of the brain trust is backing C&R.

I agree you should be able to keep fishing after your limit. To me, the only exception is panfish in deep water. I think that’s an area most fisherman know mortality is high.

I don’t think walleye are as susceptible to barotrauma but I’m sure someone will correct mention wrong.

Karry Kyllo wrote:

Common sense is where it should end up and it’s common sense and not not just my view that the mortality rate of fish caught and released in deep water can be high. If you truly care abut the resource, I don’t understand why it’s so hard to quit fishing or fish for other species once you get your limit when fishing in deep water.
This certainly isn’t an anti-fishing view but a conservation view. If we can’t control ourselves, believe me someone will try to do it for us and nobody wants that.

I live and fish in the prairie pothole region of the state. People come from all over the country to fish on our 1100 lakes. Mortality from barotrauma is a zero concern for this area. You cant seem to define exactly when barotrauma occurs for each fish species, or temperature. Your arguments are arbitrary at best. You are what the civilized world would call “a hater”. You hide your Karenisms behind a shroud of conservation. You dont sound like a sportsman, you sound like a PETA spokesman.

No offense Matt but I don’t think the number is high? Higher than shallow water maybe. I think the data on this is far from complete. The overall amount of fish coming from 30 plus feet in Minnesota is relatively small to the portion of fish coming from less than that depth.

Ripjiggen wrote:

No offense Matt but I don’t think the number is high? Higher than shallow water maybe. I think the data on this is far from complete.

None taken…I don’t know if there is exact info on how many fish die coming out of deep water. A lot of variables to account for but I think we all agree barotrauma is an issue. Personally, I avoid fishing for crappies in deep water (>25’) for the most part unless they are suspended.

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Matt Moen wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>riverbassman wrote:</div>
Now the brain trust of IDO will crucify me for catch and release? I remember people jumping on other because they were not practicing catch and release. Is anyone ever happy?
I had a similar conversation with a friend about the law in Wisconsin about what happens when you get your limit. I talked with the Warden I work with and law in Wisconsin and as it is illegal to keep targeting that species once yu have a limit, it is extremely hard for him to present a case for the local D.A. to prosecute as how do you prove you weren’t targeting northern (assuming you have a limit of eyes). That being said, he looks at intent. If you are taking a picture of every walleye, holding it out of the water, measuring, etc. he would make contact with you and push it further (looking for self incrimination). he said if you simply caught another walleye, immediately unhook and threw back he would most likely look the other way. He was certainly more worried about bringing a citation to a D.A. and giving them “proof” or evidence you were targeting the walleyes.

I think the majority of the brain trust is backing C&R.

I agree you should be able to keep fishing after your limit. To me, the only exception is panfish in deep water. I think that’s an area most fisherman know mortality is high.

I don’t think walleye are as susceptible to barotrauma but I’m sure someone will correct mention wrong.

Always wondered on the walleye and sauger barotrauma when someones going to call out certain guides on P4. Im not naming names – but some have problem fishing the 40 foot hole where the cannon feeds into it. Aint no way all those fish live , and they dont keep the 12 inchers either…

Am I the only one reading the statement correctly?

“Caught limits AND released 100” is a whole lot different than “caught limits THEN released 100 more”. The author makes no indication as to having caught a limit then continued fishing. This statement is ambiguous and could simply mean it took them 100 catches to reach their limit.

Also even culling is legal in MN provided you aren’t already at your limit. See the current MN regs book, Page 32.

It’s a good point…some of those fish pulled out of that scour hole definitely don’t make it. I know some guys are fishing in like 60’ up near the dam though.

I was thinking more LOTW when guys are pulling them out of 35’. You don’t hear much about issues there.