an omen?

  • Tom Sawvell
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    #1808727

    I collected my two deer and while skinning saw quite a contrast between the two. Both does, I got 2 full 5 quart ice cream pails of fat off one, and not enough to sneeze at from the other. Now if both deer were as fat as the first I’d be getting worried about the up coming winter. But does the lack of body fat on the other mean we’re going to have a mild winter?

    I’ll also mention that the fat deer had more fat on it than I have seen on a deer in years.

    And the fat itself, I chop it up and heat it in a pan to allow it to melt down slowly, then I strain out the chunks of meat or fat that doesn’t render. When strained I add some generic bird seed to it and pour it into suet cake trays saved from store bought suet. Late winter this stuff goes out when the birds seriously need the fat to tolerate winter at its worse. A suet block from a store will last about 5, maybe 7 days here in February. The real suet will last about two days. The birds know. Now if only those birds could tell me what this winter holds in store for us.

    Joe Scegura
    Alexandria MN
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    #1808734

    Funny I noticed the exact same thing with two deer we processed. One with an excessive amount and the other fairly light on fat. Both were adult does.

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
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    #1808747

    Usually a deer with lots of fat does mean we are in for a cold winter, at least to me it does. The fact that both of you had one of each is perplexing. I have only skun one deer this year, the one my Dad got last weekend. It had almost zero fat on it, but it was a young buck, so I just thought maybe he was burning it all running after does.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
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    #1808752

    I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that it’s only based on the individual deer’s diet. Mammals fatten up before winter with what’s available to them. Some are more successful than others. I’m not a believer that the amount of fat on a deer will predict the upcoming climate and I think this is solid proof of that.

    Unless of course those two skinny deer were planning on migrating to Florida for the winter.

    Brian Klawitter
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    #1808762

    Usually a deer with lots of fat does mean we are in for a cold winter

    I know nothing about deer but I was kinda leaning towards BG’s thought.

    Wouldn’t it mean there was more or at least plenty of food in the summer more than a prediction on the winter?

    I don’t know. I just know I eat when I can and have food available.

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1808781

    Its all an interesting concept….fat meaning bad winter. Personally I put no stock in it, but it was an interesting observation. Give the fact that both of these deer were in the same general area, within 300 yards of each other, I’d have to imagine that they were eating almost identically. This parcel of land gets zero outside influence from hunters so I doubt that one travelled in from outside, but could have. I’m open to that aspect. I lean more towards genetics in understanding this though. I’ve shot deer in some pretty bitter weather years ago when we actually had really cold winters…..below zero for two week straight….and they had hardly any visible fat on them. If it was an indicator of things to come I would have guessed that they’d have been larded up like a family pig.

    I tend to think its genetics but the ideas being tossed here are interesting. I spoke with a buddy who collected two last weekend and he said one was full of fat and the other none to speak of and both were does and taken in the same general area like mine were.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
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    #1808790

    Another thought. I know very little about deer in general but that being both of you guys noticed this with does, what do you think about one of those does bearing young this year and the other didn’t.

    The theory could be that the young bearing doe may have less fat due to milk production and carrying a calf and the other having stored fat because they didn’t have to sacrifice any to a calf????

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
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    #1808794

    Why would a deer give milk to a calf??? rotflol

    Brian Klawitter
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    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
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    #1808798

    LOL! Using deer to forecast winter is the same as asking a weatherman!

    True Story.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
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    #1808818

    Why would a deer give milk to a calf??? rotflol

    Fawn. I was so excited about my theory I wasn’t thinking.

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
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    #1808819

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>sticker wrote:</div>
    Why would a deer give milk to a calf??? rotflol

    Fawn. I was so excited about my theory I wasn’t thinking.

    Actually your theory is pretty dang good. A doe with 1-3 fawns can be quite the burden. I can definitely see that making a big difference in body health/fat storage.

    You can tell I don’t have kids living at home by my body fat jester

    Hoyt4
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    #1808836

    I always go off the deer fat also about winters. So far it’s been pretty good of whats to follow for the winter.

    The buck I shot in NE this year had more fat then I have ever seen before and more then deer from Red Lake where they will have a harder winter and not the best food sources.

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    Tom Sawvell
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    #1808838

    This fact was another new one for too. Both does, both barren, no fawns or signs of fawns having been nursing. The fawn thing might be a false alarm too.

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