When I fish I always let the bigger fish go this fish got this big for a reason. But when we deer hunt we are always trying to take the best genes out of the pool I do the same thing but does it make sense? Like to hear others view.
I let big fish go, so they can get bigger and others have a chance to catch them. Genetics have little to do with either scenario imo, but even if that was your primary concern big bucks will have a number of years of breeding done before getting shot at 4.5+ years old.
Far as deer go ,my thinking is genes got alot to do with it , double Brow’s in a area is just one thing. Every buck is not going to turn into a 12 pointer. I shot some mighty hefty nice 8 pointers that were pushing 200 lbs. DK. Age and food supply is another thing to consider.
One thing that always seems to get lost when talking about genetics is the doe is part of the equation. Maybe Bucky Jr. is more like mom.
Far as deer go ,my thinking is genes got alot to do with it , double Brow’s in a area is just one thing. Every buck is not going to turn into a 12 pointer. I shot some mighty hefty nice 8 pointers that were pushing 200 lbs. DK. Age and food supply is another thing to consider.
I’d agree in that genes definitely get passed down. I’ve seen quit a few “duplicate” deer over the years.
The difference in fish vs deer…you have the option to release a fish! If you couldn’t release fish and HAD to keep every fish you caught and could never go above your limit, we’d probably have an outstanding fishery.
The difference in fish vs deer…you have the option to release a fish! If you couldn’t release fish and HAD to keep every fish you caught and could never go above your limit, we’d probably have an outstanding fishery.
???????? I don’t follow your logic.
Selective harvest can be and is practiced, in both endeavors. When fishing, one makes the decision to keep or release, AFTER the fish is hooked. When hunting, one makes that decision BEFORE pulling the trigger.
If one chooses to let that big fish go, he can do that. If one chooses to let the biggest buck walk on by, he can do that too.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>bob clowncolor wrote:</div>
The difference in fish vs deer…you have the option to release a fish! If you couldn’t release fish and HAD to keep every fish you caught and could never go above your limit, we’d probably have an outstanding fishery.???????? I don’t follow your logic.
Selective harvest can be and is practiced, in both endeavors. When fishing, one makes the decision to keep or release, AFTER the fish is hooked. When hunting, one makes that decision BEFORE pulling the trigger.If one chooses to let that big fish go, he can do that. If one chooses to let the biggest buck walk on by, he can do that too.
It’s not logic, it’s science! LOL
And yes, what you said is obvious.
I deleted my rebuttal and long rambling and I’ll just concede in this aurgument.
You can let a fish go to be caught again, you let that broadhead go or bullet it’s not coming back . Every one is not a bone hunter, some hunt for friendship ,meat, or just because it’s n your blood! Theirs no CPR in hunting. This is as deep, as i get . Lol . DK.
You can let a fish go to be caught again, you let that broadhead go or bullet it’s not coming back . Every one is not a bone hunter, some hunt for friendship ,meat, or just because it’s n your blood! Theirs no CPR in hunting. This as deep as i get . Lol . DK.
Yes, I think you got bob’s point as I did too…and I tend to agree.
In this day and age, our outdoor game pursuits are predominantly for “sport”, not strictly to put food on the table. There are very few that might, but the majority of us will not starve if we don’t harvest wild game.
The “sporting” aspect is your success in capturing (or) killing your quarry. If you’ve hooked a big fish and landed it, you’ve succeeded regardless if you keep it or release it.
With a trophy deer, success would not be satisfied by just “seeing it”. You would need to take the animal. You could tell yourself and everyone else you “could have” taken but let walk instead, but you could have missed the shot. Just like a big walleye you hooked but came unbuttoned at the side of the boat = unsuccessful.
Point is, you land it you’re rewarded with the success and then you can release if you choose. The deer if you succeed, has been removed from the “game”…!
The deer if you succeed, has been removed from the “game”…!
I understand what you are saying but I’m going to disagree. I have bow-hunted in many “controlled urban deer hunts”, Doe only no bucks. I would always take two weapons, one weapon for the does and one weapon for the bucks.
Yes, I could take the shot on a buck, be successful and have the deer walk away to live another day. I did this on a 12 pointer at 6 yards and a 10 pointer at 15v yards.
My weapon of choice for these bucks was a 35MM Pentax film camera.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:</div>
The deer if you succeed, has been removed from the “game”…!I understand what you are saying but I’m going to disagree. I have bow-hunted in many “controlled urban deer hunts”, Doe only no bucks. I would always take two weapons, one weapon for the does and one weapon for the bucks.
Yes, I could take the shot on a buck, be successful and have the deer walk away to live another day. I did this on a 12 pointer at 6 yards and a 10 pointer at 15v yards.
My weapon of choice for these bucks was a 35MM Pentax film camera.
Dave, yes…I had already thought about that. Shooting with a camera as opposed to a rifle or a bow. But then you have left the arena from a sportsman to a wildlife photographer. Those (the latter) which have some disdain for us, the “hook and bullet” crowd in which they refer to us on how we can just kill such a majestic, beautiful, living animal. And that’s what separates us.
As sportsman, we are not wired to go out and just take pictures. There is the challenge and fair chase and as sportsman it includes taking the game animal, including fish although we can choose to release them alive even after “taking them”.
And that’s where we began with this difference of opinions.
Dave, yes…I had already thought about that. Shooting with a camera as opposed to a rifle or a bow. But then you have left the arena from a sportsman to a wildlife photographer. Those (the latter) which have some disdain for us, the “hook and bullet” crowd in which they refer to us on how we can just kill such a majestic, beautiful, living animal. And that’s what separates us.
As sportsman, we are not wired to go out and just take pictures. There is the challenge and fair chase and as sportsman it includes taking the game animal, including fish although we can choose to release them alive even after “taking them”.
And that’s where we began with this difference of opinions.
I didn’t feel any less of a sportsman when I was taking those photos.
I don’t feel any less of a sportsman when I choose to let a duck swim or a deer walk or a fish swim again. I’m sorry you feel that way.
I raised a family on fish and wild game and I continue to consume fish and wild game. I guess I have not been doing it right. I don’t kill just because I am “wired that way”.
I didn’t feel any less of a sportsman when I was taking those photos.
I don’t feel any less of a sportsman when I choose to let a duck swim or a deer walk or a fish swim again. I’m sorry you feel that way.
I raised a family on fish and wild game and I continue to consume fish and wild game. I guess I have not been doing it right. I don’t kill just because I am “wired that way”.
Okay Dave, that’s commendable that you take pictures and let duck swim away and deer walk and fish swim away, but you contradict yourself when you say you “I raised a family on fish and wild game and I continue to consume fish and wild game”?
So do you kill or not? You can’t have it both ways. You do, or did…or you don’t?
Explain to me or anyone else how hunting does not expect a kill?
How else would you define it? With a picture?
Deer hunting is not intended to result in harvest? If you are successful? Is that not the objective of deer hunting?
Back to bob’s post, which you disagreed with. Hunting animals, the objective is to kill and harvest the animal. That is the definition of hunting.
Angling, fishing…you can still capture your fish and harvest or release it back alive. You caught it and can take your picture, but you have succeeded in your pursuit. Taking a picture of a deer is only a fleeting capture of what you could accomplish in a zoo.
Oh well…good night. 
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Huntindave wrote:</div>
I didn’t feel any less of a sportsman when I was taking those photos.
I don’t feel any less of a sportsman when I choose to let a duck swim or a deer walk or a fish swim again. I’m sorry you feel that way.
I raised a family on fish and wild game and I continue to consume fish and wild game. I guess I have not been doing it right. I don’t kill just because I am “wired that way”.Okay Dave, that’s commendable that you take pictures and let duck swim away and deer walk and fish swim away, but you contradict yourself when you say you “I raised a family on fish and wild game and I continue to consume fish and wild game”?
So do you kill or not? You can’t have it both ways. You do, or did…or you don’t?
Explain to me or anyone else how hunting does not expect a kill?
How else would you define it? With a picture?
Deer hunting is not intended to result in harvest? If you are successful? Is that not the objective of deer hunting?
Back to bob’s post, which you disagreed with. Hunting animals, the objective is to kill and harvest the animal. That is the definition of hunting.
Angling, fishing…you can still capture your fish and harvest or release it back alive. You caught it and can take your picture, but you have succeeded in your pursuit. Taking a picture of a deer is only a fleeting capture of what you could accomplish in a zoo.
Oh well…good night.
Why can’t you have it both ways? I don’t shoot every deer that I see. I choose when to shoot and when not to shoot.
A successful day in the field is only measured by the game strap? There is much more to hunting than the kill. Sure I enjoy eating wild game.
Many a time I have called in a flock of ducks to the decoys or called in a turkey to watch it gobble and strut right there in front of me. I didn’t feel any less of a sportsman by choosing not to shoot.
Re-read what Bob wrote
The difference in fish vs deer…you have the option to release a fish!
Yep, and you have the option to fool that deer, that turkey, that duck, yet NOT shoot it. There is much more to a successful day in the field than just filling a game strap.
Re-read what Bob wrote
If you couldn’t release fish and HAD to keep every fish you caught and could never go above your limit, we’d probably have an outstanding fishery.
This is the “logic” I don’t follow. Explain to me how keeping every fish, up to a limit, would give us “an outstanding fishery”.
Hey…I already conceded! I spoke my thoughts.
“The difference in fish vs deer…you have the option to release a fish!”
I don’t get whats so hard to comprehend about this statement? Pictures of big deer don’t win big buck contests! LOL (I’m being a smartazz but somewhat serious.)
“If you couldn’t release fish and HAD to keep every fish you caught and could never go above your limit, we’d probably have an outstanding fishery.”
This one I need to think about(and varies from the original question)…but there’s some logic in there as well. I’m not sure if I was stating that if you went out and caught 6 walleye in 10 minutes would be done fishing for the year. meaning, No culling. No catch and release (mortality rates). NO protecting one class. Not letting a lake get over run by big mama’s. Not gut hooking 10,000+ fish but having to release them cause not in the slot. I don’t know. I’m not a fish biologist.
Simply put, fishing and hunting are different. And managed different. Everyone on here has an idea of how to manage it. to each their own
…but I stick with my statement above:
“YOU CAN RELEASE A FISH” -Shooting a buck with a camera can be done Jan-Aug anytime you want. EVERYONE hunts with the intent to kill. Millions (and yes-I bet I’m not far off) of people fish for sport and release them (Bass and Muskie guys especially).
Okay, I concede again!
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