Advice for HDS-5 Gen2 with Structurescan and LSS-2 tranducer

  • Rob Alto
    Posts: 5
    #1622379

    I added on a Sonarhub and LSS-2 tranducer to my HDS-5 with 83/200 tranducer. I installed the LSS-2 about 6 inches away from the 83/200 and the top of it is about even with the bottom of the 83/200 if you look from the side. There isn’t much slope on the back of my boat on the bottom of the transom, so to keep the LSS-2 within 12″ of the 83/200 and low enough doesn’t give a lot of options.

    Anyway, the structurescan side imaging on 800khz seems to work, I can see weeds and the lake bottom clearly, but I drove right by my dock with 6 large cedar pilings under it and didn’t see anything on the screen, just what looks like a standard lake bottom with some weeds. So then I drove about 2-3 feet away from a 15+ foot log that was sticking out of the water and angled down into the bottom of the lake and again the log didn’t show up. Downscan seems to show everything, you can see the bottom, weeds, other stuff (not real sure how to interpret the screen yet), but nothing I’d say is a fish or other things I’d expect to see. Then I drove over several anchored buoys in the lake, two of which were mine with cinder block anchors and didn’t see those on the screen either. I know the lake has stumps all over, I’ve seen them on clear days, and those didn’t seem to show up either. Also there’s some dots on the screen here and there, usually in line vertically with weeds, but nothing that’s clearly a fish like I’ve seen in screenshots.

    Then to make matters worse, I was looking forward to using chirp, which lowrance said I can do with my 83/200 and the Sonarhub, but not at the same time as structurescan. They were right, but high or medium chirp just seems to show a bunch of crap. I can see what I guess are weeds, and the bottom. If I turn on fish ID it marks all kinds of stuff a fish, but with that off it just looks like a bunch of weird black blocks from an old 8 bit game console mixed in with weeds from the bottom. I spent 4 hours driving around the lake testing settings and didn’t see a single “arch”, but with “fish ID beep” on, it was beeping all over. The lake is a man-made lake with a peat bottom in most places, lots of weeds this time of year (until the weed puller starts making a dent), and kind of a greenish hue to the water. It’s not the clearest water due to the peat, but it’s a lot cleaner than swamp water. You can see the bottom on clear days.

    Finally, when I first hooked it all up the first thing I tried was side imaging on the shallow water setting (the lake is only about 16 feet deep max). It worked fine, I drove around trying to see something interesting and didn’t. I docked and went back out about an hour later, turned on the HDS and the screen says “STOPPED”, which apparently meant the sonar was stopped since it was auto-checked on the menu. I spent over an hour screwging around with options only to find out it was the shallow water setting. Soon as I changed to any other option it works fine. How did it work the first time on shallow water setting and why doesn’t it work but everything else does?

    If anyone has any tips on where to start checking for solutions I’d appreciate it. The only thing I can think is maybe the transducers are conflicting, but if that’s the case why does side imaging and down imaging appear to work fine? Also my transom isn’t exactly square so the LSS-2 is angled slightly to the right, could that cause it to appear to be functioning?

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22841
    #1622413

    Try using the 455Hz setting instead of the 800. I have had better luck with it anyway.
    When you go past these items are you displaying both side images or just one? The reason I ask is its possible that the images are flipped where left is actually right and vice versa. You can change this in the settings.
    Try messing around with the contrast. This is basically like sensitivity in the traditional sonar mode.
    Do you only notice those issues with the CHIRP, when in “chirp” mode? How about if you just try using 200? Maybe bypass the sonar hub and plug the transducer directly into the display and see how it works??

    Twins Guy
    NULL
    Posts: 114
    #1622460

    i have a gen2 HDS (touchscreen so its a little different but similar enough) and when you are in structure mode you have the option of displaying down or side images (and left or right as the captain mentioned). could that setting be off?

    Rob Alto
    Posts: 5
    #1622544

    Try using the 455Hz setting instead of the 800. I have had better luck with it anyway.
    When you go past these items are you displaying both side images or just one? The reason I ask is its possible that the images are flipped where left is actually right and vice versa. You can change this in the settings.
    Try messing around with the contrast. This is basically like sensitivity in the traditional sonar mode.
    Do you only notice those issues with the CHIRP, when in “chirp” mode? How about if you just try using 200? Maybe bypass the sonar hub and plug the transducer directly into the display and see how it works??

    Sorry I wasn’t very clear. I was using sidescan left/right on 800khz to try to see the 15+ foot log, pilings, and buoy anchors. I drove within a couple feet of it in both directions and it never showed up. Same with the docks with pilings. I tried 455 but when I noticed it wasn’t quite as detailed I switched back to 800, but I didn’t try seeing those known objects with 455…still I would think 800 should see a giant log right next to the boat. I’ll try messing with the contrast, but again, I would think those objects would be pretty visible. Lowrance tech support told me to plug both transducers into the Sonarhub, but I could try connecting the 83/200 direct to the HDS.

    Rob Alto
    Posts: 5
    #1622547

    i have a gen2 HDS (touchscreen so its a little different but similar enough) and when you are in structure mode you have the option of displaying down or side images (and left or right as the captain mentioned). could that setting be off?

    I’m not real sure if you’re talking about something I don’t know or if you just mean the usual structure mode options, because if it was turned off I wouldn’t see anything would I? If I have it set to “down” I see down scan images going by with weeds and the lake bottom contour. If I set it to left/right or left or right I can see stuff….in the center I see one thick line and one skinny line next to it where the boat is (I wanted to ask about that too, does the second line mean it’s seeing the motor or the other transducer?), then in the water column you can see weeds and other “stuff” but in the left/right mode is what I tried to see the logs and pilings with and couldn’t see anything different on screen. That’s the confusing part for me, I’ve read about Structurescan and looked at a lot of screenshots and youtube videos and it looks like it’s working perfectly, but if I can’t even see a huge log that I KNOW is there, what exactly am I seeing on screen?

    Also our lake is filled with fish, you can see bass and blue gill swimming around all over, so to not see any clear fish indicators on down scan or side scan and especially not to see arches on chirp makes me think something is messed up in my hardware configuration.

    Rob Alto
    Posts: 5
    #1622549

    Is it possible to have the LSS-2 too low? Maybe it’s too far down into the water and that combined with the weeds is screwing it up? Looking at my transducer mounting plate it looks like the LSS-2 is only about 3 inches to the left of the 83/200 and below it. How close is too close where it would mess up the 83/200 chirp or the LSS-2?

    Twins Guy
    NULL
    Posts: 114
    #1622579

    sounds like you’re aware of the down/left/right selection i was thinking of.

    like any transducer it does have a “cone” or field of view. it sounds like these objects should fall in that cone. this really is beyond my area of expertise (i checked this thread hoping to learn something myself) but i don’t want to abandon you-in this time of need-until a superuser comes to save the day.

    screen images to decipher/help interpret what you’re seeing might be useful if you could snap a shot with your camera phone. also pics of the installation might be useful. but those would require access to the boat and a body of water and may not be so easily obtained.

    tg

    Rob Alto
    Posts: 5
    #1622679

    sounds like you’re aware of the down/left/right selection i was thinking of.

    like any transducer it does have a “cone” or field of view. it sounds like these objects should fall in that cone. this really is beyond my area of expertise (i checked this thread hoping to learn something myself) but i don’t want to abandon you-in this time of need-until a superuser comes to save the day.

    screen images to decipher/help interpret what you’re seeing might be useful if you could snap a shot with your camera phone. also pics of the installation might be useful. but those would require access to the boat and a body of water and may not be so easily obtained.

    tg

    Ya I was smacking myself for not taking any pics when I put it all together, and when I was driving around for hours in the boat not seeing what I thought I should be seeing. I watched a few more youtube vids yesterday and I don’t know what to think. A couple people mounted the lss-2 right next to their skimmer transducer and what looks to me like in a place where the motor would interfere.

    Other people went so far as to take a level out on the boat and then jacked the trailer up in the garage to the same level before mounting. If it requires that much mounting precision then that could be my problem. My boat has so many curves and angles on every surface I’m not even sure how I would figure out where “level” is. Even the side of the boat (the “rail”) isn’t straight. Also the LSS-2 is angled slightly to the right due to the transom not being flat. I don’t even know how to solve that problem…spacers/washers, or rip my mounting plate off and angle it perfectly somehow? The only way I could mount it straight is to mount it right by the motor where the transom is flat.

    I also saw a couple people that mounted it backwards with the wire sticking out the rear so the wire wouldn’t create interference through the water, then they used the flip left/right option. All I did was slapped it on my transom and used a ruler from the bottom of the boat to eyeball it.

    I will try to take some pics today of the HDS.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22841
    #1622705

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CaptainMusky wrote:</div>
    Try using the 455Hz setting instead of the 800. I have had better luck with it anyway.
    When you go past these items are you displaying both side images or just one? The reason I ask is its possible that the images are flipped where left is actually right and vice versa. You can change this in the settings.
    Try messing around with the contrast. This is basically like sensitivity in the traditional sonar mode.
    Do you only notice those issues with the CHIRP, when in “chirp” mode? How about if you just try using 200? Maybe bypass the sonar hub and plug the transducer directly into the display and see how it works??

    Sorry I wasn’t very clear. I was using sidescan left/right on 800khz to try to see the 15+ foot log, pilings, and buoy anchors. I drove within a couple feet of it in both directions and it never showed up. Same with the docks with pilings. I tried 455 but when I noticed it wasn’t quite as detailed I switched back to 800, but I didn’t try seeing those known objects with 455…still I would think 800 should see a giant log right next to the boat. I’ll try messing with the contrast, but again, I would think those objects would be pretty visible. Lowrance tech support told me to plug both transducers into the Sonarhub, but I could try connecting the 83/200 direct to the HDS.

    yes, the right install if everything is working right would be to connect both to sonarhub. I was merely suggesting hooking direct to display for skimmer as a troubleshoot to see if you get same results with the regular sonar.
    Are you using the outboard when trying to view structure scan? Its possible that the view is slightly obstructed by the outboard. Try raising it up.
    When displaying both side images at the same time the view you described with the lines is normal. It’s propwash, etc. What do you have the range set to? Distance to read to each side? The farther the distance the less detail you will see. If you are in really shallow water and following a shoreline, you will likely be able to see another line off to that side which is actually the shoreline.
    Do a search for Dr Sonar aka doc samson. There are lots of helpful setup tips and screenshots. Hopefully that will get you in the ballpark. The detail I am seeing is impressive but it is important to have the transducer properly installed. If it’s at an angle or tipped you will get poor results.

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