8 point to 10 point

  • sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1711449

    Question, if I have a big 4 year old 8 point is he always going to be an 8 point after this age or could he(is it probable) he will grow more points? I am primarily talking main frame points. I understand that as they get older they throw sticker points, drop tines, and flyers.

    I had a sow of a buck that is either 4 or 5 last year with tall tines and good mass. If he blows up this year and adds a lot of inches it would have to be adding more main frame points. Just curious at what age do they stop growing additional main frame points? Is it 2 or 3 or 4, or ever? This is the buck I am most curious about.

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    tegg
    Hudson, Wi/Aitkin Co
    Posts: 1450
    #1711459

    Good question.
    Unfortunately for me and the area I hunt, I don’t know if I’ve ever actually seen a buck that has reached the age of 5. Grouse would lead you to believe that is the result of hunters of Finnish heritage but I would add predators and winter to the mix. Something I call the “gauntlet” every deer must face to survive the year. Zone 1 can be a bitch.

    Does anyone know the age of the Cannon Falls buck? If I remember correctly it was an absolutely monsterous 8-pt. It wouldn’t surprise me if there are some bucks out there that never grow beyond 8-pts.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22783
    #1711473

    Does anyone know the age of the Cannon Falls buck? If I remember correctly it was an absolutely monsterous 8-pt. It wouldn’t surprise me if there are some bucks out there that never grow beyond 8-pts.

    I never saw anything official, but initially they thought 5 or 6.

    Pat McSharry
    Keymaster
    Saint Michael, MN
    Posts: 713
    #1711476

    I have definitely seen them grow more typical points, but I would say more often than not remain a main frame 8. Would not surprise me one bit if he grew an additional 1-2 points though.

    Either way that’s a cool old buck with those bladed g2’s!

    Jeff Schomaker
    Posts: 396
    #1711478

    To me he looks to be 3.5 or 4.5 in those pics. And like Pat said they can definitely add a G4 but it’s usually nothing sunstantial. They can put a lot of inches on and stay a main frame 8.

    deertracker
    Posts: 9237
    #1711512

    They can put a lot of inches on and stay a main frame 8.

    They had the poaching trailer at our local fair this last weekend. There was a very clean 8 that was at least in the 180s. May have been in the 190s. I don’t remember exactly what it said.
    DT

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
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    #1711575

    From the few articles I read on antler growth, most main frame is complete after 4 years. There after it’s mass and anomalies

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1711584

    From the few articles I read on antler growth, most main frame is complete after 4 years. There after it’s mass and anomalies

    That’s what I was thinking waytogo

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22783
    #1711591

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jeff Schomaker wrote:</div>
    They can put a lot of inches on and stay a main frame 8.

    They had the poaching trailer at our local fair this last weekend. There was a very clean 8 that was at least in the 180s. May have been in the 190s. I don’t remember exactly what it said.
    DT

    Was this the “Cannon Falls” buck? It is an incredible creature for sure. Too bad some chumbalone poached it and didn’t take it fair chase.

    hillhiker
    SE MN
    Posts: 1031
    #1711613

    Not to take away from the original discussion but here is the “Cannon Falls Buck”. I was told it green scored 192 Boone and Crocket with a spread of 28 and some change! Sad deal, I know there were a few people chasing that deer.

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    deertracker
    Posts: 9237
    #1711615

    That is the buck I was looking at. I love those big 8s.
    DT

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1711802

    Going thru some old pics and I think I found Tank in 2015. Here are both pics. He looks 3-4 years old in 2015 making him 4-5 in 2016

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    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1711804

    Here he is in 2016. I think he will always be an 8

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    Pat McSharry
    Keymaster
    Saint Michael, MN
    Posts: 713
    #1711809

    From that angle it almost looks like they could be different deer. Mainly because his g2’s on the 2015 buck go straight up and g3’s angle forward. Also looks like longer beams.

    2016 buck both g2’s and g3’s angle forward, and almost looks like he would’ve lost beam length. I could be wrong, but that’s my opinion on the two pictures without knowing anything else.

    From my experience the angle of the points and shape of the beam tend to carry over from year to year. I’m still not saying they can’t be the same deer though. Sometimes the angle of the picture and the way they have their head positioned can play tricks on you.

    Joe Scegura
    Alexandria MN
    Posts: 2758
    #1711814

    Pat, take a look at the left side main beam. At the end in both pics it looks to be split. Could be a coincidence but more than likely the same deer.

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1711816

    Good points Pat. I’ll have to keep looking thru photos and see if it’s the angle of the pics.

    Jeff Schomaker
    Posts: 396
    #1711832

    I agree with Pat. IMO those are different deer

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1711836

    All of the pics I have one has the G2 going straight up and one has the G2 going forward. They must be related though with the G4 starting on the left beam and the bladed G2 on the right.

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1711847

    I found him again in 2014 as a 2.5 year old. Now I am thinking he just got the G2 pointing forward as he got older.

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    Pat McSharry
    Keymaster
    Saint Michael, MN
    Posts: 713
    #1711864

    Yeah if you don’t have any other pictures of possible candidates it’s more than likely same deer.

    Protourbaits1
    Posts: 191
    #1712112

    I got pics of Tank in 2012 as a 4.5 year old, and he was a main framed 9 point from the only picture I got of him. I never saw him that year but he returned in 2013 as a main frame 10 with a sticker off the base.
    I hit a buck last year and he was a main frame 9 pt as a 3.5 year old. This year he’s a main frame 10 as a 4.5. he added a g4 on his left side.

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