Straight from sunny So California, San Diego to be specific.
Absolutely Fantastic down here, I just can’t fathom how people can manage the cost of living here.
900 SQ home no basement, 1 bed,1 bath > 1.2 million to start
Yes we in the heartland have it good.
only one season too. I will take my cost of living and 4 seasons any day over Cali. I would think even a sandwich artist has to make $20 per hour just to rent a studio on the outskirts and commute 3 hours a day…..FK that!
I’m in San Diego now too. Ridiculously hot here a couple days this week. I looked at the pay scale for the jobs I and my wife have living out here versus in MN and it isn’t quite double. The price of a house like mine anywhere near the ocean would be well over 2 million here. That doesn’t add up very well to relocate. Maybe a condo. 
Straight from sunny So California, San Diego to be specific.
Absolutely Fantastic down here, I just can’t fathom how people can manage the cost of living here.
900 SQ home no basement, 1 bed,1 bath > 1.2 million to startYes we in the heartland have it good.
Not to mention having to deal with the people that live there….. 
I interviewed for a job in Santa Barbara a few years back. My job was going over seas. Its really a beautiful area but one thing that struck me besides cost of living is the coworkers I met, all of them were midwestern transplants but none of them seemed very happy. In the end I demanded a salary in line with housing cost and commute factor to get to somewhat affordable housing and they wouldnt meet it. Thank God.
I work with a gentleman that just relocated from Santa Barbara to Jordan MN. His tiny one bedroom, one bathroom house was double of the 3000 sq ft, 3 garage house here. So he loves it but has not seen the winter yet.
California is more expensive. Not just California but generally speaking all coastal states are more expensive then here. This is not news
Buy electric. The technology is there, it just needs to be refined.
Buy electric. The technology is there, it just needs to be refined.
And ban lead….also, let’s annex all the places we don’t like to Canada.
Mrs. Grouse has had multiple opportunities to move us to the Bay Area or the Valley for tech jobs. The recruiters always assume anyone here will do anything to get out of the MN weather. Californians seem to think of nothing else, it amazes me how they get totally blind to COL out there.
Yeah, out of the cold and straight into a $10k a month housing payment and $5 a gallon for gas.
It’s totally common in the Bay area and other swish places in CA to have 8-12k a month in house payments and that’s not for Minnetonka Mansion.
Not just no, but hell no. here is no way that the increased salary comes even close to making up for the increased cost of living in Commiefornia. It isn’t even close.
Nope. All you coasters and Californians can have the “good” weather. I’ll stay right here and enjoy life without a $10k house payment. You can have a lot of fun with an extra $8k in your pocket every month.
Grouse
“All the nuts roll to the coast” ~ Dad 1997
It’s also nice to see the stars at night here.
I got out a little over 3 years ago and don’t miss it a bit. There is and has been a mass exodus from CA. The increase in property values where I live now is a result of everyone leaving CA. I couldn’t afford my house here if I had to buy it now.
Back in 1996 IBM wanted to hire me, but it would have required a move to San Jose. I was at the time living in Plymouth. I informed, not interested. About 6 mos later they came back and asked, if you could live in Rochester and commute to SJ would you be interested. We picked up and moved to Rochester. At the time IBM was the king of everything related to electronics and I thought, ok 5 years in Rochester to get IBM on my resume was doable, note no lakes around Roch. Stayed in Roch but over the next 20 years I was asked two more times to move to SJ, the last to manage the design group I was in. Some that I personally new moved to SJ to further their careers and later moved back while a couple stayed. When my coworkers would come to Roch and I’d invite them out the house, they were in shock, a couple of acres out in the country with a big house, nearly 6 garage spaces, big lawn, they could only dream about. They give up a lot for the nice year around weather. When my co-workers from Japan would come, they were even more shocked. Here is picture of one of my co-workers who visited. His excitement to mow a little lawn was priceless.
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Two years ago when I was antelope hunting in SE Wyoming, a local commented that folks there were getting a bit peeved at the influx of people from Colorado, primarily the Denver area, who were trying to escape the influx of Californians moving there. So the hardcore WY local folks were moving north to Montana.
I used to work in Minneapolis, with a team of people in Sunnyvale, CA and Bangalore, India.
Every time I’d visit I’d get asked the same question, “when are you going to move out here to California.” Never was normally my answer, but that was almost 100% driven by the cost of living and the general work culture in Silicon Valley. A lot of people out there that live to work, job is #1 priority in their life, and that just isn’t me. That said, most, if not all, were really really genuinely great people.
Not to mention having to deal with the people that live there…..
I know this is a running joke from midwesterners, especially conservatives, but in my experience, just about anyone I’ve ever met from California is just as likeable as anyone from Minnesota. I know that may be hard to believe because when the elections roll around, that big scary state of California is colored blue. Generally speaking, there are plenty of jerk-store individuals in every state, and it’s very rarely the state that makes them that way.
Phil, the culture and willingness of people that live in CA to be friendly is definitely different. The use of the automatic garage door opener has eliminated folks being neighborly. There isn’t the conversations in the front yard or middle of the street that you see in other parts of the country. People in CA are probably just as likeable but a lot less approachable.
Its always funny when people in the Midwest talk about CA falling off into the ocean. I’ve heard more than a few from Minnesota say ” Good – Is they anything we can do to help it fall off faster ” 
You must not have been to Alabama, or Mississippi. Most locals there were awful to deal with. The nicest people we ran into were working at golf courses originally from Georgia.
I used to work in Minneapolis, with a team of people in Sunnyvale, CA and Bangalore, India.
Every time I’d visit I’d get asked the same question, “when are you going to move out here to California.” Never was normally my answer, but that was almost 100% driven by the cost of living and the general work culture in Silicon Valley. A lot of people out there that live to work, job is #1 priority in their life, and that just isn’t me. That said, most, if not all, were really really genuinely great people.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
Not to mention having to deal with the people that live there…..I know this is a running joke from midwesterners, especially conservatives, but in my experience, just about anyone I’ve ever met from California is just as likeable as anyone from Minnesota. I know that may be hard to believe because when the elections roll around, that big scary state of California is colored blue. Generally speaking, there are plenty of jerk-store individuals in every state, and it’s very rarely the state that makes them that way.
Buy electric. The technology is there, it just needs to be refined.
I know this is a running joke from midwesterners, especially conservatives, but in my experience, just about anyone I’ve ever met from California is just as likeable as anyone from Minnesota.
Phil, it’s not that I find Californians unlikeable, but I do get turned off by how presumptive they seem to be. They seem to think that somehow the lifetime ambition of everyone in the other 49 flyover states is to live in California and we’re all just waiting for our chance. It seems inconceivable to many of them that living in the Midwest is actually a choice and (shock! horror!) in the cold light of day, many of us see a lot of disadvantages to the left coast. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I like brush fires, smog, riots, mudslides, gang shootings, high house prices, failed public schools, $5 a gallon gas, and high taxes as much as the next guy, but…
Even if I thought that way about MN, I certainly wouldn’t say it to others, but it seems like being out in the sun too long or getting hit in the head by a surfboard, or whatever causes Californians to lose their verbal filter.
Grouse
Minnesota is well on its way to becoming another California already.
sweeping generalizations are always fun. its good to have a place where we can lash out our frustrations on those we have never met or will meet. I bet if we all think really hard we can find a reason to hate everyone. Why should we restrict ourselves to just Californians!?
Minnesota is well on its way to becoming another California already.
Closer to another Somalia then California…either way it’s regression.
Minnesota is well on its way to becoming another California already.
This guy again….. 
I’m not originally from MN so I really don’t care but I do agree that MN nice is a little presumptious as well. Nice until you turn your back is more like it. It’s the one thing that drives me crazy. I’d rather have you tell me what you think about me to my face and be honest. But the LA types and big city Californians just seem to be from another planet.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ajw wrote:</div>
Minnesota is well on its way to becoming another California already.Closer to another Somalia then California…either way it’s regression.
This kinda comment should get someone banned.
Closer to another Somalia then California…either way it’s regression.
If you’re going to post racist crap like that at least register your frigin name. Or get out.
Between this thread and whatever one had people complaining about the people in Minneapolis and St. Paul, the common theme from a lot of people is that they obviously view themselves, their lifestyles, and their decisions as much higher and better than others. There’s plenty we all don’t agree with when it comes to others and how they live their lives but sometimes people are….different? Get over it and quit talking down about people that aren’t exactly like you.
Between this thread and whatever one had people complaining about the people in Minneapolis and St. Paul, the common theme from a lot of people is that they obviously view themselves, their lifestyles, and their decisions as much higher and better than others. There’s plenty we all don’t agree with when it comes to others and how they live their lives but sometimes people are….different? Get over it and quit talking down about people that aren’t exactly like you.
Well said
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ajw wrote:</div>
Minnesota is well on its way to becoming another California already.Closer to another Somalia then California…either way it’s regression.
Your racism is not welcome here
All I can say about California is: thank you for protecting my from plywood. I’ll never look at it the same again
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