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Kyle Wills wrote:

Remember a couple years ago when everyone was calling for Pitino’s head? In 2017, we have a team that is ranked 14th in the nation with an upcoming recruiting class that is flirting with a top 25 ranking.

Fleck took a Western Michigan team, who was a nobody and had them ranked in the top 10. If you looked at his records when he first started there, it was same as here.

Point is, college sports teams cannot be turned around in a mere few seasons, unlike professional sports. I probably have more faith in Fleck than I have had in any other Gopher football coach, in a long time.

How many times does Lucy have to pull the ball away from you Charlie?
That’s all I’m saying.
Every Flippin new coach they get I hear the same old broken record.
“This guy is the real deal and the last guy wasn’t very good” It’s the Sid Hartman Motto.

Eelpoutguy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Kyle Wills wrote:</div>
Remember a couple years ago when everyone was calling for Pitino’s head? In 2017, we have a team that is ranked 14th in the nation with an upcoming recruiting class that is flirting with a top 25 ranking.

Fleck took a Western Michigan team, who was a nobody and had them ranked in the top 10. If you looked at his records when he first started there, it was same as here.

Point is, college sports teams cannot be turned around in a mere few seasons, unlike professional sports. I probably have more faith in Fleck than I have had in any other Gopher football coach, in a long time.

How many times does Lucy have to pull the ball away from you Charlie?
That’s all I’m saying.
Every Flippin new coach they get I hear the same old broken record.
“This guy is the real deal and the last guy wasn’t very good” It’s the Sid Hartman Motto.

Never said he was going to be the “real deal” and all others sucked. I just said I have more faith in Fleck than I did in the other coaches. I do give Kill credit for taking the program to another level than what it had been at under Brewster.

You must have failed to read the last paragraph of my post, stating my point was that new coaches in college sports need more time than what most give them. My intent was to make a point to those calling for his head already, after only 1 season.

If he ends up not working out, oh well. I’ve been wrong before, it won’t be the last time either.

Nope, I did read it and that’s exactly why I made my statement.
I guess I’ve been to this rodeo way too many times.
Plus I can spot a flim flam man a mile away. Fleck is a Flim Flam Man.

Kyle Wills wrote:

You must have failed to read the last paragraph of my post, stating my point was that new coaches in college sports need more time than what most give them. My intent was to make a point to those calling for his head already, after only 1 season.

Dump him now, why would MN fans wait another four years and start all over again.

big_g wrote:

educate yourself before making such dumb uninformed posts…. talk about self punishment. it only removes the little doubt some may have had, about your intelligence or lack of.

75 was a ball park guess and if not for the random title in 1960, my guess is not that far off. Don’t get your pannies in a bunch tough guy, it was legit question. Get back to me when the golden goofs beat a Wisconsin or an Ohio state or play a meaningful bowl game. Same ol song and dance since I have been alive…..damn shame.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

So you think that Jerry Kill used his health condition to bail out on the U because he wasn’t cutting it?

Absolutely not. I don’t question his health condition one bit — however, in my opinion there’s a difference between resigning and retiring. When a guy uses the word RETIRE and says “I don’t have any more energy. None. I’ve left it all here in the great state of Minnesota. And I have no regrets,” and then he’s back as an OC for an opponent after just 1 season off, I think it’s fair to ask questions.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Finally, I can’t honestly thing that you believe his current responsibilities as OC at Rutgers are the equivalent of a head coaching position at the U and that he should have just toughed it out?

I didn’t say that and no, I don’t believe that.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

You’re cherry-picking Kill’s record a bit. He was 29-29 in games as head coach of the University of MN. Also, I can think of a few coaches who wish they had teams good enough to go 14-21 record in Big 10 games. And that wasn’t even his recored “with his own team”, because as you know, a coach’s record doesn’t count until he’s turned over 100% of the team that was left from his predecessor.

Sorry, but padding the “W” column against teams like New Hampshire, Eastern Illinois, Middle Tennessee State, Kent State, etc, just doesn’t do much for me. Just my personal opinion. I know every big school has soft parts of their schedule like that, but if you’re a Big 10 coach, you better compete in the conference as well. Kill had only one season with a winning conference record. I’m not saying he was garbage, but to me that also doesn’t quite add up to “the guy who would have finally made something happen.”

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

We’ll never know where the program would have gone, but I just liked the style. All the coaching, none of the rah-rah.

To be clear, I loved Kill’s attitude and would take that kind of a coach over PJ 10 times outta 10. I actually would’ve loved to have rolled with Jerry for 20 years, but it’s not because I thought he was on the brink of taking the Gophers to new heights; it’s because I don’t like this stupid cycle of spending more and more money on new coaches just to get the same results every year. It’s ridiculous to me.

eyeguy507 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
educate yourself before making such dumb uninformed posts…. talk about self punishment. it only removes the little doubt some may have had, about your intelligence or lack of.

75 was a ball park guess and if not for the random title in 1960, my guess is not that far off. Don’t get your pannies in a bunch tough guy, it was legit question. Get back to me when the golden goofs beat a Wisconsin or an Ohio state or play a meaningful bowl game. Same ol song and dance since I have been alive…..damn shame.

Were you alive in 2003, back when Wisconsin must have totally sucked…. or in 2000 when the Goofs bested Ohio State ? Your really young and dumb I guess… tough guy !!!

Yes !!!! Gophers get a bowl game either way !

pool2fool wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
So you think that Jerry Kill used his health condition to bail out on the U because he wasn’t cutting it?

Absolutely not. I don’t question his health condition one bit — however, in my opinion there’s a difference between resigning and retiring. When a guy uses the word RETIRE and says “I don’t have any more energy. None. I’ve left it all here in the great state of Minnesota. And I have no regrets,” and then he’s back as an OC for an opponent after just 1 season off, I think it’s fair to ask questions.

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
Finally, I can’t honestly thing that you believe his current responsibilities as OC at Rutgers are the equivalent of a head coaching position at the U and that he should have just toughed it out?

I didn’t say that and no, I don’t believe that.

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
You’re cherry-picking Kill’s record a bit. He was 29-29 in games as head coach of the University of MN. Also, I can think of a few coaches who wish they had teams good enough to go 14-21 record in Big 10 games. And that wasn’t even his recored “with his own team”, because as you know, a coach’s record doesn’t count until he’s turned over 100% of the team that was left from his predecessor.

Sorry, but padding the “W” column against teams like New Hampshire, Eastern Illinois, Middle Tennessee State, Kent State, etc, just doesn’t do much for me. Just my personal opinion. I know every big school has soft parts of their schedule like that, but if you’re a Big 10 coach, you better compete in the conference as well. Kill had only one season with a winning conference record. I’m not saying he was garbage, but to me that also doesn’t quite add up to “the guy who would have finally made something happen.”

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
We’ll never know where the program would have gone, but I just liked the style. All the coaching, none of the rah-rah.

To be clear, I loved Kill’s attitude and would take that kind of a coach over PJ 10 times outta 10. I actually would’ve loved to have rolled with Jerry for 20 years, but it’s not because I thought he was on the brink of taking the Gophers to new heights; it’s because I don’t like this stupid cycle of spending more and more money on new coaches just to get the same results every year. It’s ridiculous to me.

Kill left due to health reasons. He chased relief from seizures for a long time. Maybe he finally got the right combo of drugs. With out the health issues I think Kill could have been a good coach for quite a few years. That didn’t happen. That left Tracy Claeys. He “seemed” fine but rumors were he wasn’t much of a recruiter. The all heck broke loose. Do you think the U should have kept Claeys after the scandal? They HAD to change coaches.

The athletic department’s issues have long been an administration whose sole focus has been on academics. That is what the school is fir first and foremost but MANY other schools have found that a strong athletic department is an asset to a University. The U hasn’t reallly embraced that until recently.

The problem with Minnesota, in general, is this guilt complex, we don’t want to stand out, ketchup is too spicy, white gravy baloney.

@blackbay1 I’m not sure if your question was directed at me, but NO I don’t think they should’ve kept Claeys.

I can’t agree with your simplification of the athletic dpt’s problems. And frankly The U has a laundry list of more important problems to fix than the football team. My opinion of course.

big_g wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>eyeguy507 wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
educate yourself before making such dumb uninformed posts…. talk about self punishment. it only removes the little doubt some may have had, about your intelligence or lack of.

75 was a ball park guess and if not for the random title in 1960, my guess is not that far off. Don’t get your pannies in a bunch tough guy, it was legit question. Get back to me when the golden goofs beat a Wisconsin or an Ohio state or play a meaningful bowl game. Same ol song and dance since I have been alive…..damn shame.

Were you alive in 2003, back when Wisconsin must have totally sucked…. or in 2000 when the Goofs bested Ohio State ? Your really young and dumb I guess… tough guy !!!

I just educated myself on wiki and was waaaay off! the badgers of wisconsin have gone 30-12 since I was born, and 13 beatings in a row to this date. That there is an ace kicking. Against the buckeyes it is only at 44 to 7. how they got 7 wins is actually impressive. I guess I expect more of the teams I follow? Carry on……

Another one of the Elite Recruiting class flees the sinking ship.

eyeguy507 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>eyeguy507 wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
educate yourself before making such dumb uninformed posts…. talk about self punishment. it only removes the little doubt some may have had, about your intelligence or lack of.

75 was a ball park guess and if not for the random title in 1960, my guess is not that far off. Don’t get your pannies in a bunch tough guy, it was legit question. Get back to me when the golden goofs beat a Wisconsin or an Ohio state or play a meaningful bowl game. Same ol song and dance since I have been alive…..damn shame.

Were you alive in 2003, back when Wisconsin must have totally sucked…. or in 2000 when the Goofs bested Ohio State ? Your really young and dumb I guess… tough guy !!!

I just educated myself on wiki and was waaaay off! the badgers of wisconsin have gone 30-12 since I was born, and 13 beatings in a row to this date. That there is an ace kicking. Against the buckeyes it is only at 44 to 7. how they got 7 wins is actually impressive. I guess I expect more of the teams I follow? Carry on……
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National Championships… MN Gophers, 6 or 4, depending on polling era or not… WI Badgers = 0 and 0, no matter how you look at it. Everything did not begin the day you were born… although you may feel the entitlement to that.