2nd shot

my wife and I broke down and “Drank the Kool Aid” last week and got our first shot for covid.

i got mine first pfizer this morning. dome by 9 am. i can tell i got poked in the arm but wouldnt call it sore just yet.

by noon i was feeling like a slight headache or a bit woozy, but nothing serious, still feel that way.

I donated mine to one of ya.
Your welcome…

On the radio today they were discussing the vaccine.

Long story short, vaccinated people can still carry the virus and spread it to others. They still need to practice social distancing and wears masks 100% of the time around other people.

So…..why again would a healthy younger individual need/want to be vaccinated??

Other than possibly preventing an extremely rare severe condition for that individual, what good would it do for said person or the general public (where at risk individuals have been vaccinated)?

Asking for a friend who is also donating their vaccine.

B-man wrote:

On the radio today they were discussing the vaccine.

Long story short, vaccinated people can still carry the virus and spread it to others. They still need to practice social distancing and wears masks 100% of the time around other people.

So…..why again would a healthy younger individual need/want to be vaccinated??

Other than possibly preventing an extremely rare severe condition for that individual, what good would it do for said person or the general public (where at risk individuals have been vaccinated)?

Asking for a friend who is also donating their vaccine.

It stands to reason to me since the vaccine is 95% effective at preventing infection that although a vaccinated person CAN carry the virus, once vaccinated they are 20 times less likely to carry the virus. And now I’m totally guessing, but also likely that if they do carry it would be for a shorter time since their immune system is prepared to attack it, thus they are still drastically lowering the chances of passing it on to others. As a firm believer in the seriousness of the virus and in the value of the vaccine, I think they are being a bit over cautious for the experts to be saying once vaccinated you still need to do 100% mask and social distancing. I think it’s more an overly cautious approach so people wait a bit longer before relaxing their guard. Just my two cents…

Where’s Waldo? wrote:

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Is it media/government driven fear to get this shot as a preventative? Big pharma? Long term issues if you get the shots? Just me, I’ve not been sick in 10yrs, never would allow a needle stuck in my body with this poop.

The reason for getting vaccinated is to stop people from dying. It has nothing to do with the media or politics. It’s really common sense and nothing more. Unfortunately, “common sense” is poorly worded terminology. If it was common, it wouldn’t be so hard to find.

I understand taking one for the team and probably will. To me common sense is to question a new product with zero long term testing.

B-man wrote:

On the radio today they were discussing the vaccine.

Long story short, vaccinated people can still carry the virus and spread it to others. They still need to practice social distancing and wears masks 100% of the time around other people.

So…..why again would a healthy younger individual need/want to be vaccinated??

Other than possibly preventing an extremely rare severe condition for that individual, what good would it do for said person or the general public (where at risk individuals have been vaccinated)?

Asking for a friend who is also donating their vaccine.

The good it would do is keep said person out of the hospitals thus easing pressure on the system. And since most elderly have already been vaccinated they, in turn, hopefully will also stay out of the hospitals and or morgue.

If enough people get vaccinated then, while yes the virus can and will still spread, the impact to the Healthcare systems and other economic sectors will be drastically reduced as the virus will more or less be a mild cold.

Or so I think…

Crappie how many young and healthy people do you see hospitalized everyday with Covid? Is this system overall still strained?

I can’t seem to find any recent statistics on it, curious if you could share your personal experience?

B-man wrote:

Crappie how many young and healthy people do you see hospitalized everyday with Covid? Is this system overall still strained?

No idea. I think there are some Healthcare workers on this forum that could probably answer.

From the CDC this week

“Vaccinated people do not carry the virus — they don’t get sick,”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/cdc-data-suggests-vaccinated-dont-carry-cant-spread-virus.html

Seems odd the CDC proclaims that when the companies who make the vaccines do not.

Hrmmmmmm….

In government we trust I guess.

Better keep wearing paper masks and social distancing too….since they say so.

crappie55369 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>B-man wrote:</div>
Crappie how many young and healthy people do you see hospitalized everyday with Covid? Is this system overall still strained?

No idea. I think there are some Healthcare workers on this forum that could probably answer.

My apologies, for some reason in the past I thought you were in the field. Got you mixed up with someone else lol

All good questions. Best data so far says the mRNA vaccines are 90% effective at preventing covid infections in the real world, 95% effective at preventing symptomatic infections, and basically 100% effective at preventing severe/hospital/death. That 100% number will not last, there will be vaccinated people that die of covid.
The data on transmission doesn’t come from the initial trials. That data is starting to come out now and so far it looks like the Pfizer vaccine reduces transmission by about 70%. The bottom line is the vaccine doesn’t stop you from breathing the virus in. It does help your body prevent it from replicating too much. So a vaccinated person can still breathe it in and the virus will still replicate some. In 10% of the cases it can multiply enough to test +, in 5% enough to feel symptoms, in 30% enough to be contagious.

The cdc director walked back those comments the next day, FYI.

NOT JUDGING. Just saying, know 2 close elderly friends that have expired within weeks of taking the shot. Both were healthy. Jerry was rather irritated that he he had to go to sconieland to get his shot but happy he got it. Last I heard from him. Great man, 87 years old. A week prior to his shot I was helping him shovel snow.

John I don’t know the details yet he was taken 3 days ago and he lives in Colorado.
Lived.

PmB wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Where’s Waldo? wrote:</div>
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Is it media/government driven fear to get this shot as a preventative? Big pharma? Long term issues if you get the shots? Just me, I’ve not been sick in 10yrs, never would allow a needle stuck in my body with this poop.

The reason for getting vaccinated is to stop people from dying. It has nothing to do with the media or politics. It’s really common sense and nothing more. Unfortunately, “common sense” is poorly worded terminology. If it was common, it wouldn’t be so hard to find.

I understand taking one for the team and probably will. To me common sense is to question a new product with zero long term testing.

I agree. I dont believe it’s common sense to rush out and get a brand new shot that hasn’t had any time to see what side effects it will have. My common sense says just wait and see. Im 32 with a great immune system. Never get any form of shots, so I will just sit back and see what happens.

Fish To Escape wrote:

All good questions. Best data so far says the mRNA vaccines are 90% effective at preventing covid infections in the real world, 95% effective at preventing symptomatic infections, and basically 100% effective at preventing severe/hospital/death. That 100% number will not last, there will be vaccinated people that die of covid.
The data on transmission doesn’t come from the initial trials. That data is starting to come out now and so far it looks like the Pfizer vaccine reduces transmission by about 70%. The bottom line is the vaccine doesn’t stop you from breathing the virus in. It does help your body prevent it from replicating too much. So a vaccinated person can still breathe it in and the virus will still replicate some. In 10% of the cases it can multiply enough to test +, in 5% enough to feel symptoms, in 30% enough to be contagious.

Thank you for the information. The way you stated it was easy for me to understand.

A question that have not seen asked.
So is this shot going to be like the flue shot on an annual basis?
It’s a wait and see and experiment type of thing?

Those questions don’t have answers…. it’s an experiment.

1hl&sinker wrote:

A question that have not seen asked.
So is this shot going to be like the flue shot on an annual basis?
It’s a wait and see and experiment type of thing?

As variations arise and the long term affects, it’s already projected that booster shots will happen.

1hl&sinker wrote:

A question that have not seen asked.
So is this shot going to be like the flue shot on an annual basis?
It’s a wait and see and experiment type of thing?

Information I read is yes it will.

I will offer my reason for taking this. I’m not big on syringes or needles since I have a serious phobia of them. I work in public health. If I choose not to take it, I believe it would set a very poor example. Second, I believe that I have been able to avoid getting infected since this started. I never got sick, but I also never got tested. I could have had an asymptomatic infection. So as of about 10 days ago I had 0% immunity. I do believe I would be fine if I got it, but I don’t know for sure. The outcome is unknown. Its simply something I prefer to avoid. So about 7-14 days after my second dose this month, I’ll have 95% immunity against symptomatic infection and 100% immunity to hospitalization. Those numbers are far superior than 0% immunity if I had chosen not to take a vaccine. That’s how I personally view it. One risk versus another.

Both my parents are 60+ years old, my Father is a heart attack survivor, and my only living grandmother is 93. I have avoided being around them indoors for over a year now. It sucks. I have been around them outside at distance. I would like to see them again in a normal setting indoors for a family holiday and the only way that is going to happen is if all of us are vaccinated. If I was ever responsible for causing one of them to get sick and have serious implications, I’d never forgive myself.

I hate wearing a mask just as much as the next guy. I know why I do it but I still don’t like it.

Carry on, stay safe.

39 and no shot or masks. Wife’s 38 and a school teacher with no shot. We have no interest in getting this at all. Wife has never even received a flu shot. No way she’ll ever jump on board with this unless it’s mandatory.

People have been dying pre Covid, during Covid and will after Covid. But here are some interesting numbers spanning a few years.

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Got my first Pvizer shot 3 days ago, only a sore arm but I heard the second one is worse.

Brad-0 and Randy Thankyou for the kind non-judgmental response. Not saying there has been any judgmenent cast. Actually the thread has been very respectful.
This is a personal decision to make.

Fowldreams55398 wrote:

39 and no shot or masks. Wife’s 38 and a school teacher with no shot. We have no interest in getting this at all. Wife has never even received a flu shot. No way she’ll ever jump on board with this unless it’s mandatory.

Crappie, I a mirrored image of your response but one year older. I am 40 and wife is 39. She teaches as well. She tested positive for Covid on 1/14 and had zero symptoms beside loss of smell. She said she actually felt much better while at home because she did not have to wear a mask and shield all day. My oldest daughter also tested positive with zero symptoms. My wife was offered the vaccine on 1/24 while at home. She said no and has been questioned about this by her employer every week since she was out on quarantine.

Here is my question.. If you have already had Covid with no issues are you expected to still go get this vaccine? Honestly, it is a real question. Were talking about common sense right. I believe she is using common sense but will say she is constantly questioned about this.

I have no judgment for anyone who does or does not want this vaccine but do see a lot of people (for the vaccine) push and pressure others that are not sure about getting it.

buschman wrote:

If you have already had Covid with no issues are you expected to still go get this vaccine?

We don’t know how long natural immunity is if you’ve had a previous infection. Quite a few people who had the original strain in the UK have become re-infected with the B117 variant too. The CDC and the MN Dept of Health have both advised that everyone that is 16+ years old to get a vaccine unless you have a diagnosed medical reason not to. That includes even if you’ve already had covid-19.

buschman wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Crappieguy133 wrote:</div>
39 and no shot or masks. Wife’s 38 and a school teacher with no shot. We have no interest in getting this at all. Wife has never even received a flu shot. No way she’ll ever jump on board with this unless it’s mandatory.

Here is my question.. If you have already had Covid with no issues are you expected to still go get this vaccine? Honestly, it is a real question. Were talking about common sense right. I believe she is using common sense but will say she is constantly questioned about this.

First, you should ask your doctor, but every doctor I’ve talked to about it (and I’ve talked to 6 doctors specifically about it) has said you should still get it if you’ve had the virus, though you should wait 90 days post positive test. It’ll help prevent mutations – this is out of concern for public health, not personal health.

Not trying to be snarky, but the alternative is making the mask mandates/requirements for stores/schools/etc. last longer. If you like wearing a mask, more power to ya… I personally hate it, and the clear way out of it is getting as many people vaccinated as possible, as quickly as possible.

Gimruis, thanks for the reply. The issue is that they do not know how long immunity will last with the vaccine either. At this point we have more data on natural immunity than the effectiveness of the vaccine.

Remember when masks were considered the clear & fast way out of it?

I have absolutely no issue with people that choose to get one and I don’t think there should be any stigma for those that choose not to. It should be a personal decision and not one made for you.