You mean he wasn’t a once in a generation type talent as Brady and Maholmes is currently? Hate to break it to those that think this but nobody else is either.
Both most likely rank 1 and 2 of Super Bowl wins and best QB’s of all time when all said and done.
Love me some Kirk but even I wouldn’t use the Wilfs money to sign him for those numbers and cripple the rest of the team. Kirk is a business/family man first and foremost. But if the option is to give him the bag or JJ, no one will fault the team for going the route they did including me.
I hate Shanahan and how everyone kisses his rear for what? Now having to watch Darnold makes me want to puke a little bit.
You can almost bet Kwesi will try to wheel and deal in the draft. I don’t trust he makes the right pick whether its QB or elsewhere.
If it’s a QB I think that pick will be more of a KOC pick than anyone else in the organization honestly.
What the org does or doesn’t do to get in position for one is on Kwesi however.
Not speculating. As stated he is a FA if they bring him back it will be short term at a fraction of the cost.
Shows how much I pay attention to player contracts.
Shows how much I pay attention to player contracts.
Its kinda hard with the NFL.
At the end of the day, Kwesi has nothing to lose by giving up a couple first rounders to move up to get our guy (if they believe Daniels/Maye are worth it). If their pick hits and we get a stud QB for the future, no one will care how many picks we gave up to get him. If the pick is a bust, Kwesi likely won’t be around to pick up the pieces…so it will be the next guys problem.
To get a potential franchise QB they are going to have to be in the top 3 Id imagine. That is going to require a major haul to move up Id think. I just hope they get this JJ deal done soon.
You mean he wasn’t a once in a generation type talent as Brady and Maholmes is currently? Hate to break it to those that think this but nobody else is either.
Both most likely rank 1 and 2 of Super Bowl wins and best QB’s of all time when all said and done.
I agree.
If teams/fanbases think it’s worth “chasing” the next Mahomes, they’d better get used to QB purgatory in the mean time. The mean time could be a decade, or it could be the rest of your lifetime. The greatest people to play the QB position aren’t just walking the street, playing college ball the year earlier, or regular free agents. Guys who impact winning the way Mahomes does are unicorns. There have been far more “Good” quarterbacks to win the SB than there have been Mahomes + Brady SB wins over the history of the NFL.
Kirk got what he was worth, which was out of the Vikings price range. For anyone to say he couldn’t “win”, they had to overlook the other 52 roster positions. The rest of those rosters alongside Kirk have had holes, substantial ones. If I was a Viking fan I definitely would have wanted him back…but maybe not at that price
To get a potential franchise QB they are going to have to be in the top 3 Id imagine. That is going to require a major haul to move up Id think. I just hope they get this JJ deal done soon.
It was reported today that JJ turned down over $30 million per in an extension offer submitted by the Vikings prior to the 2023 season. That number was BEFORE the league cap took a good jump. He will be closer to $40 million per now, and the Vikings need him to up the odds of success for a young drafted QB who will either get some starts this year or the following year. Bosa is the highest paid non-QB in the league at an average of $34 million per. JJ is for sure going beyond that.
I wanted him back but definitely not at that term and price. 2 years max about 35 per year or there abouts. Obviously they werent close.
He will be closer to $40 million per now, and the Vikings need him to up the odds of success for a young drafted QB who will either get some starts this year or the following year.
I think it will be closer to $35m. But I’ll keep saying, TRADE HIM! You are not winning the SB with a WR as your highest paid player, nor with a WR taking up so much of the cap. Mark my words, paying WR’s will go the way of paying RB’s in the next 5-10 years. There is too much WR talent (supply) and the difference between JJ and WR20 is marginal at best.
FWIW Tom Brady made $333M in career earnings in 23 seasons, 35 playoff wins and 7 Super Bowl wins. Kirk Cousins $412m career earnings in 16 season and 1 playoff win.
In the words of Dan Patrick on Kirko, B/B+ play, A+ money but D- play in big games, which I agree with. I’m not disappointed he’s gone but it’s always a gamble finding the next one.
FWIW Tom Brady made $333M in career earnings in 23 seasons, 35 playoff wins and 7 Super Bowl wins. Kirk Cousins $412m career earnings in 16 season and 1 playoff win.
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Great point Werm…more proof that when it comes to contracts/salesmanship, Cousins is the real GOAT!
if the Vikings are letting people know what Jefferson turned down last year, he is going to be traded. It’s only a matter of time.
I don’t think that is new news.
“I think it will be closer to $35m. But I’ll keep saying, TRADE HIM! You are not winning the SB with a WR as your highest paid player, nor with a WR taking up so much of the cap. Mark my words, paying WR’s will go the way of paying RB’s in the next 5-10 years. There is too much WR talent (supply) and the difference between JJ and WR20 is marginal at best.
FWIW Tom Brady made $333M in career earnings in 23 seasons, 35 playoff wins and 7 Super Bowl wins. Kirk Cousins $412m career earnings in 16 season and 1 playoff win.“
So for fun I just looked up WR albeit by fantasy points because it was the first that popped up.
Jayden Reed
Jokobi Meyers
Chris Olave
George Pickens
Were names that popped up in that 19-20 range. I think that gap is more significant than you think.
Deebo Samuel’s cap number is second on his team behind Trent Williams. Just sayin.
So for fun I just looked up WR albeit by fantasy points because it was the first that popped up.
Jayden Reed
Jokobi Meyers
Chris Olave
George Pickens
So in my league 19-22 FF WR points is Devonta Smith, DK Metcalf, Amari Cooper, and DeAndre Hopkins. JJ isn’t in the top 20 due to injuries last year. And behind that top 20 list are WR’s like Garrett Wilson, Jaylen Waddle, Courtland Sutton, Rashee Rice, Drake London, Cooper Kupp. And imo any of those guys will give you 95% of JJ if given the same opportunity.
Also, while JJ is a great WR (don’t get it twisted) he is not Moss-like that just has a huge physical advantage in height/speed/jumping ability, JJ largely gets open by play design & quickness/route running, which is far more easily replicated than physical advantages.
Yeah he can’t go up and get contested balls. 
I don’t see a problem with him being the highest paid WR. He has earned that and that is how contracts work in the NFL. You climb that ladder and reset positions when it is your turn.
Most teams their top WR is 2nd or 3rd on the team against the cap. Some even first like Cheetah, but they are only first until the QB signs long term which the vikes won’t be doing for 4-5 years if not longer.
He is still very tradeable after he signs a contract in a few years if you need that money.
Guess we will see what happens.
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Rumor suggests Cincy as a trade partner for what it’s worth. Higgins and this years 1st and 2nd do anything for anyone? Throw in a Browning/Darnold swap to sweeten the pot?
Half the league is immediately removed from trade considerations as I don’t think they’d dare trade him to the NFC.
Cincy would be a good destination from the MN side of things, but I don’t see Cincy wanting him at ~$35 million + all the assets they are about to lose. Cincinnati’s offensive firepower hasn’t been the issue…rather it’s Burrow’s health + mediocre defense on the back end. The Bengals also have to pay Chase soon and the bill isn’t going to be a bargain.
In the end I think the Vikings ink him to a 4 year, ~$150 million deal that’s mostly guaranteed. Whether or not he remains happy long-term depends on how this and the next draft go. They have to get at least a marketable prospect at QB to sell “the future” for JJ, future free agents, and the fanbase.
There are so many QB needy teams still (Patriots, Washington, Denver, Bears, Giants, and the Vikings) that it’s difficult to predict if the sit and wait at #11 approach works. My gut tells me this class turns out 2 quality starters, and 4 relative busts or fringe starters from the group of: Williams, Maye, Daniels, Penix, Nix and Mccarthy. None of them are the next Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, etc.
Rumor suggests Cincy as a trade partner for what it’s worth. Higgins and this years 1st and 2nd do anything for anyone? Throw in a Browning/Darnold swap to sweeten the pot?
I dont think there is any shred of truth to that rumor other than Chase’s tweet intimating something interesting or whatever cryptic message these guys post. Kwesi would be a fool to trade JJ and yes, he is every bit as good as Moss was, hes beaten every dang record he had throughout his first few years. May not have the speed, but he is stupid good.
Yeah he can’t go up and get contested balls.
Didn’t say he couldn’t, but I doubt we ever see “You Got JJ’d” on ESPN every Sunday…
Cincy isn’t really a viable trade partner due to Chase coming up next year, and if they were interested in paying two WR’s they wouldn’t be trading Higgins who is sure to sign for WAY less than JJ/Chase.
Kwesi would be a fool to trade JJ and yes, he is every bit as good as Moss was, hes beaten every dang record he had throughout his first few years.
Musky you need to stick to hockey bud! First the Mullens ridiculousness and now this. JJ couldn’t, can’t and never will be able to hold Randy’s jock strap. And that isn’t a rip on JJ, but an acknowledgement of how transcendent Moss was. The NFL now vs Moss’ time is entirely different and WR’s/QB’s are putting up unprecedented #’s because of it, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are better now. But if you want to talk stats, fwiw, JJ’s season high TDs is 10, something Randy Moss exceeded 9 different times with 4 different QBs, including 23 TDs in his first season with Brady, which is 7 less than JJ has in his ENTIRE 4 year career.
Oh come on Biggie! JJ is far better than you are giving him credit for. I mean, look, he has done it with Cousins who, checks notes, most of Vikings fans say hes trash so imagine if he had the likes of Brady or Pep?!
Oh come on Biggie! JJ is far better than you are giving him credit for. I mean, look, he has done it with Cousins who, checks notes, most of Vikings fans say hes trash so imagine if he had the likes of Brady or Pep?!
Until I see JJ running past and jumping over HOF CB’s on a regular basis, I think I’m good. And I’ll say it again in case you missed it the first time, JJ is great. Moss is the greatest, or at least in a 2 person conversation for the greatest. JJ has a LONG LONG LONG way to go, and needs to find the endzone more, if he wants to join that convo.
PS Kirk would be the second best QB Moss ever had, besides 3 years with Brady, and JJ has 4 years with Kirk already….
PSS On my short list of hill’s I will die on are Kirby, AP and Moss’ greatness.
I will agree that Moss is better than JJ no disputing that. I was merely pointing out the fact and while how awesome Moss was when he was here, JJ is awesomer to this point. 
Oh, and you know I was kidding about Kirk. He was great and probably would have set every team record had he finished his career here, well, maybe not SB appearances.
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Yeah he can’t go up and get contested balls.Didn’t say he couldn’t, but I doubt we ever see “You Got JJ’d” on ESPN every Sunday…
Cincy isn’t really a viable trade partner due to Chase coming up next year, and if they were interested in paying two WR’s they wouldn’t be trading Higgins who is sure to sign for WAY less than JJ/Chase.
No just the Griddy…
Different folks different times.
Neither has a ring but one still has a chance.
GOAT Qb with GOAT Wr equals zero SB rings.
And I think Moss is the greatest all time FYI…
One is not a dink however.
And no AP is not close to GOAT.
Now Puck we are probably on the same page.
Different folks different times.
Yeah, its really hard to compare players from different eras. Kinda like when we go down the rabbit hole in the hockey thread about Gretzky and Mathews or McDavid.
GOAT Qb with GOAT Wr equals zero SB rings.
But probably the best team of all time. And Moss was on the 2 greatest teams to never win the SB.
And I think Moss is the greatest all time FYI…
Agreed.
And no AP is not close to GOAT.
Probably not, but he’s in the convo with Barry and Walter imo. Anyone that mentions Emmitt deserves a time out, and to let the adults talk.
Now Puck we are probably on the same page.
The ultimate in what could have been an even better all-time career, he was hitting about 320/22/100 the last 3 years of his career and was only 36 when he was forced to retire.
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Yeah he can’t go up and get contested balls.Didn’t say he couldn’t, but I doubt we ever see “You Got JJ’d” on ESPN every Sunday…
Cincy isn’t really a viable trade partner due to Chase coming up next year, and if they were interested in paying two WR’s they wouldn’t be trading Higgins who is sure to sign for WAY less than JJ/Chase.
I didn’t say I thought it was GOOD idea from a Bengals perspective, but regardless of their recent success, it’s still the same ownership that’s produced decades of “Bungles” hilarity. As good as Chase is, perhaps they like JJ more than him ore anyone else they have, or are likely to acquire, and after a one year “all in” run, they rebuild around Burrow and JJ. It’s an “out there” idea, but looking at the prospect of trying to compete in an AFC loaded with young offensive talent, it’s not ridiculous.
It sorta is because it isn’t happening.
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