2024/2025 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

JoeMX1825 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
Also, Buium. Will he or won’t he? Imagine putting Brodin, Spurgeon, Faber, Middleton, AND Buium on the ice last night. Totally different result.

Jiricek again looked good last night imo, so projecting out next season’s D core you’re looking at

Even though he cost us a goal with the “penalty” he took he did look good out there when he played. They definitely played the 3rd pairing alot less. How Merill keeps his job is mind blowing.

Also it seemed that Edmonton was just toying with the Wild, they have another gear they can use when they needed it and without some of our best players we were lucky Edmonton let us stay in it as long as we did.

Seeing alot of Brock Nelson to the Wild smoke everywhere nowadays (Russo, TSN, etc) I just don’t see this as a good move other than a post season rental and I don’t want us to pay another future 1st round pick for just a rental (we know how that ends up)
Lets say they did trade for him, extending him in the offseason makes no sense as we already have Rossi and Ek and as our top 2 centers and we’re not paying his expected $6+ aav to be the 3rd line center…

Signing Buium and possibly Yurov to their ELC’s in April would be upgrades to the roster that would cost us ZERO assets, then look at a trade or signing a UFA this summer, just do that Billy G…

edit – I don’t think Yurov can be playoff eligible if signing AFTER the trade deadline even though we drafted him, but Buium can because he’s coming from the NCAA

He has played wing in the past and would look pretty good in JOJO’s spot.

Justin riegel wrote:

Also it seemed that Edmonton was just toying with the Wild, they have another gear they can use when they needed it and without some of our best players we were lucky Edmonton let us stay in it as long as we did.

Anytime a 6’4″ guy defends an small guy who quickly turns, its going to look like holding, I didn’t think there was much Jiricek could do there…In regards to toying with the Wild, I would just say that about the McDavid-Draisaitl-Hyman line, we dominated the rest of the Oilers pretty much all game, their goalie played extremely well…but that line is doing that to EVERY team, not just the Wild…obviously having Brodin & Faber back can counter McDavid’s speed pretty well, but Draisaitl and Hymen add the skill, size and power and that line is pretty much unstoppable…

Ripjiggen wrote:

He has played wing in the past and would look pretty good in JOJO’s spot.

I agree, as a rental he would be a good fit and likely take draws and then switch over to Wing if needed…

BUT

are you willing to pay another future 1st round pick for him as just a rental? (we can’t lose 1st round picks in consecutive years) I also don’t think paying him $6-7+ AAV on an extension as a 34 year old makes sense…

Yes and why can’t they? Doing nothing and getting bounced in the first round is getting old as I’m sure BG and KK think as well.
Not really concerned what a late first round guy may or may not (more likely not) pan out to be 5,6,7 years from now.
It has been a long buy out period that I’m sure everyone is sick of.
A first round pick 2 drafts from now is not really part of the KK/Boldy/Rossi core anyway.
Obviously any trade depends on the health of the team at that time and who else may be available.
Brock is actually not a great face off guy although he is having a good season in that department this year.

any Nelson extension is most likely going to come with 3-4 years of term, a full NMC and a $7+ aav for a 34 year old…imo that money would be better spent on a younger player, not one past their prime and likely diminishing every year…spending consecutive 1sts is something you do when you are peaking in your cup window (Tampa/Boston a few years ago or Florida/Colorado/Oilers right now) not when you’re getting ready to enter it…
He’d be the best faceoff guy on our team this season and either replaces Ek on the PP1 group (not likely) or he gets 20 seconds on the PP2 group, again not good use of the money…

Now if we could move Hartman (i’d prefer Foligno, but he has another year of NMC) and use that money towards paying a 3 year Nelson extension. I think that’s better use of that money on an aging player if they are dead set on getting him and I think a role (player able to move up & down the lineup like Hartman) he could succeed in and be an upgrade over Hartman, but again I’d rather use it towards somebody younger like Brock Boesser that fits more team needs…

I still think Boesser signing with the Wild has been on both sides radar for a few years now, but if Vancouver moves on from either Petterson or Miller, that could obviously change things from a Vancouver cap space perspective and their push to maybe keep him (but, like Kirill, its upto Brock as a UFA)

So they are getting ready to peak. That’s a bit of guess don’t you think.
I think there are ton of question marks there at this point. KK obviously being the biggest one.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I also don’t think paying him $6-7+ AAV on an extension as a 34 year old makes zero sense…

So, you think it DOES make sense? Because that is a double negative.

Ripjiggen wrote:

So they are getting ready to peak. That’s a bit of guess don’t you think.
I think there are ton of question marks there at this point. KK obviously being the biggest one.

I don’t think they are ready, I think they are 2-3 years away from peaking and that’s assuming Kirill re-signs…that aligns with GMBG’s 5 year plan that we’re in year 2 of…

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
I also don’t think paying him $6-7+ AAV on an extension as a 34 year old makes zero sense…

So, you think it DOES make sense? Because that is a double negative.

typo, I fixed it..

depending on what Kirill signs for, what we do with Rossi (trade/bridge or long term deal) and if Buium explodes like Faber did and requires a huge deal after his 2 year ELC is up, we’re likely only going to be able to afford 1 higher end UFA/Traded for player in the next 1-3 years, I don’t want that guy to be 34 year old Brock Nelson, that’s all i’m saying…

yes, Spurgeon, Zuccy, Jojo, Hartman, Foligno, Freddy all come off the books in the next 1-3 years, but their caphits will likely swap out with the 2nd contracts for Jiricek, Ohgren, Khusnutdinov, Yurov, Wallstedt and likely re-signing Brodin for another 2-4 years if his body can hold up)

I wasn’t saying that either. All I am saying standing pat and doing nothing has been going on for 3 of the past 4 post seasons and doing nothing is getting old. This whole new 5 year plan is funny to me. That gives BG what 10 years of excuses of not getting out of the first round? That’s a long time for a GM.

Ripjiggen wrote:

I wasn’t saying that either. All I am saying standing pat and doing nothing has been going on for 3 of the past 4 post seasons and doing nothing is getting old.

we had no capspace to do anything unless you’re strictly talking about just getting March Deadline rentals? The GM and his scout & advisor team obviously felt this team wasn’t ready the past few years and didn’t want to make a trade just to make a trade and basically give 1st rounders away, if they wanted to there was nothing stopping them as the cap doesn’t really matter at the deadline…it was their decision to stand pat and wait until the team was built & ready to compete, is that this season? I don’t know, their games against the West top teams says NO sofar, even when they were healthy at the start of the season they couldn’t beat Dallas & Winnipeg (obviously right now its not fair to judge losses with all the injuries)

I know why. We have been hearing about it since the buyouts. I’m not saying Brock is the guy but they need to make a little noise at the deadline as this song has been on repeat for some time now.

Anybody else notice that Fiala has 22 points in 40 games this year???? This guy is at a 45 point pace right now! And we got Faber (In hindsight, their best prospect) and Ohgren. Massive trade for Guerin.

jack klusa wrote:

Anybody else notice that Fiala has 22 points in 40 games this year???? This guy is at a 45 point pace right now! And we got Faber (In hindsight, their best prospect) and Ohgren. Massive trade for Guerin.

Yeah, somebody on my twitter rotation is always showing the Faber/Fiala side by side stat comparison…but to be fair, he’s been almost a PPG guy since traded (obviously not this season sofar) in the end it probably worked out for both teams with the Wild getting the younger talented players that will likely pan out long term better, but the Kings immediately getting a PPG player…

Ripjiggen wrote:

I know why. We have been hearing about it since the buyouts. I’m not saying Brock is the guy but they need to make a little noise at the deadline as this song has been on repeat for some time now.

The question becomes do you want to pay the likely 1st rounder price for just a rental or do you intend to re-sign that player in the offseason too?

Ripjiggen wrote:

That gives BG what 10 years of excuses of not getting out of the first round?

Lol he HATES that when people ask him about it. He was on KFAN asked about it multiple times in the past and he just goes ballistic. Its kinda funny. He has no good answer and just completely deflects it like a politician.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
So they are getting ready to peak. That’s a bit of guess don’t you think.
I think there are ton of question marks there at this point. KK obviously being the biggest one.

I don’t think they are ready, I think they are 2-3 years away from peaking and that’s assuming Kirill re-signs…that aligns with GMBG’s 5 year plan that we’re in year 2 of…

Don’t forget Mr. 5 Year Plan also has to make goaltender moves and they need to work out. Flower is retiring. Gus is doing well. The heir apparent down in Iowa is not.

Obviously the hope is Wallstadt settles in as an apprentice and becomes a 1a goaltender next season. Awesome. But the problem here is obvious so what is plan B?

There’s nothing in the pipeline with tremendous promise.

Ripjiggen wrote:

This whole new 5 year plan is funny to me. That gives BG what 10 years of excuses of not getting out of the first round? That’s a long time for a GM.

Apparently the plan was pretty convincing to the guy writing the checks…

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Don’t forget Mr. 5 Year Plan also has to make goaltender moves and they need to work out. Flower is retiring. Gus is doing well. The heir apparent down in Iowa is not.

Obviously the hope is Wallstadt settles in as an apprentice and becomes a 1a goaltender next season. Awesome. But the problem here is obvious so what is plan B?

There’s nothing in the pipeline with tremendous promise.

Hard to question GMBG’s Goalie moves since he got here…He’s plucked starters off other teams for pennies on the dollar and then decided to trade them away before they fell apart elsewhere…Wallstedt is still ranked 1-2 top goalie prospect in the world with Askarov by pretty much every Prospect guru out there…he was an all-star his first 2 AHL seasons with godawful teams playing in front of him and in the few NHL games he was given, 2 of them (@ Dallas and @ Winnipeg were on 2nd of back to back games) were absolute trap games where the team completely quit on him, the GM even apologized for the decision to play him in the Dallas game…GMBG has had 1 season of below average goalie play (last season) and that was likely due to bad defensive play and injuries, funny how the same thing happened for a stretch this season after massive defensive injuries hit the team…GusBus is signed for another year and Wallstedt will back him up next season, after that who knows what they’ll do if Wally isn’t ready to take over, but the track record says whatever decision they come up with, will likely be a good one…

Ohgren recalled

Ovi with an OT snipe tonight

JoeMX1825 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
This whole new 5 year plan is funny to me. That gives BG what 10 years of excuses of not getting out of the first round? That’s a long time for a GM.

Apparently the plan was pretty convincing to the guy writing the checks…

Yeah so were previous GM’s that basically had the same success. Except for 1 that must of really pissed everyone off.

KK on LTIR. Capt circumvention here we come!

CaptainMusky wrote:

KK on LTIR. Capt circumvention here we come!

They are jumping through so many hoops right now just to afford 17-18 skaters a game, its just a joke… Kirill’s designation is just a book keeping trick to keep the players they already have up like Jiricek… it’s Dire straits right now…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

… it’s Dire straits right now…

Well I don’t know what this has to do with hockey, but I’m down for some Dire Straits anytime.

But now that I think of it, Money for Nothing is kind of the wild’s theme song right now.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jack klusa wrote:</div>
Anybody else notice that Fiala has 22 points in 40 games this year???? This guy is at a 45 point pace right now! And we got Faber (In hindsight, their best prospect) and Ohgren. Massive trade for Guerin.

Yeah, somebody on my twitter rotation is always showing the Faber/Fiala side by side stat comparison…but to be fair, he’s been almost a PPG guy since traded (obviously not this season sofar) in the end it probably worked out for both teams with the Wild getting the younger talented players that will likely pan out long term better, but the Kings immediately getting a PPG player…

Well I think the other thing is that LA had all of these prospects at the time that were in consideration for return, Turcotte, Kaliyev, Clarke…
Considering that Turcotte is a center, I wanted him in return . We really got their best prospect out of the bunch… kind of goes to show how much fluff is in all lot of these team prospect pool rankingss

CaptainMusky wrote:

KK on LTIR. Capt circumvention here we come!

He was in the running for MVP/Hart too. Not anymore.