2024/2025 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

Ek, Brodin and GusBus make 4 Nations Team Sweden

JoeMX1825 wrote:

at some point we’re gonna run out of luck dodging these bullets

I mean didnt Zuccy take a bullet/puck to his boys!

KP wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
at some point we’re gonna run out of luck dodging these bullets

I mean didnt Zuccy take a bullet/puck to his boys!

yeah, I meant a season ender…

It was a wrist shot from Faber no less!

The preliminary US Roster for the world juniors is out. There are 10 players from the State of Hockey. Zeev Buium has also made the tryout roster.

Boston College has a whopping 6 players on it, including Hobey Baker front runner Ryan Leonard.

Brett Larson (St Cloud) and Garrett Raboin (Augustana SD) are listed as assistant coaches.

https://teamusa.usahockey.com/2025wjcroster

lots of injuries around the league, Stars just lost Tyler Seguin for the season…

I know most you guys agree, but Ek is extremely valuable to this team. Hope he’s back soon!

Lindy you are dang right we can’t afford him to be out long for sure.

Some interesting picks for Canada’s team, I think the 4Nations is the USA’s to lose, the only thing that could get them is inexperience, but that’s what makes this tournament so fun, its mostly the next generation of stars with Crosby being the old guy now…

USA hockey has come a long way the past 15 years and has built a powerhouse, kudos to the USNTDP!

The next 7 games (2 weeks) are going to be tough until we likely/hopefully start to get some of these guys back healthy…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Some interesting picks for Canada’s team, I think the 4Nations is the USA’s to lose, the only thing that could get them is inexperience, but that’s what makes this tournament so fun, its mostly the next generation of stars with Crosby being the old guy now…

USA hockey has come a long way the past 15 years and has built a powerhouse, kudos to the USNTDP!

Or it could come down to who plays a couple of good games.
It’s a 4 team round robin. Nobody has a great advantage. All four teams are good.

Should be better than an all star game though for the casual and die hard fan.

I cant stand the Rat, but this is absolutely hilarious: https://x.com/ryanwhitney6/status/1864636559716217278

This made me laugh…

Rangers are trying to trade Jacob Trouba to teams he has listed in his limited NTC, if he refuses to lift the NTC, they will likely put him on waivers for purposes of terminating his contract.. He’s their friggin captain!

Chris Drury is a pretty ruthless GM…BUT it shows that there are ways to get rid of ANY player regardless if they have trade protections… you just might not get any value back…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Rangers are trying to trade Jacob Trouba to teams he has listed in his limited NTC, if he refuses to lift the NTC, they will likely put him on waivers for purposes of terminating his contract.. He’s their friggin captain!

Chris Drury is a pretty ruthless GM…BUT it shows that there are ways to get rid of ANY player regardless if they have trade protections… you just might not get any value back…

Purely out of curiosity what are the rules around this placing an under-contract player on waivers and terminating his contract? This seems like it’s too easy. Why wouldn’t the wild have just put Parise and Suter on waivers and terminated their contracts? How can the Rangers just terminate Truba’s contract without buying him out?

I thought that whole waiver thing is weird too and interested to understand why the Wild wouldnt have gone that route. I did find this through google however: “An NHL team can’t simply “waive” a player to completely terminate their contract unless they are placing the player on “unconditional waivers,” which means any team can claim the player, essentially giving them a release from their current contract; however, this process usually requires the player to clear waivers first, and teams can only use unconditional waivers during specific periods within the league year, typically for contract buyouts or termination due to a breach of contract.”
Based on that I am sure the reason the Wild didnt do it is because they have to do it middle of the season and they arent going to do that when trying to make the playoffs etc. If they were terrible then I Think it would make sense.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Purely out of curiosity what are the rules around this placing an under-contract player on waivers and terminating his contract? This seems like it’s too easy. Why wouldn’t the wild have just put Parise and Suter on waivers and terminated their contracts? How can the Rangers just terminate Truba’s contract without buying him out?

NTC = No Trade Clause = can’t be traded (can be full or partial; i.e. 10 team no trade list)
NMC = No Movement Clause = all the rules of a No Trade Clause + can’t be put on waivers; players have to go through waivers to go to the AHL – if they can’t be put on waivers, then they can’t be sent to the AHL

Parise and Suter had NMC, so couldn’t be waived under any circumstance. That’s why they were never “put on unconditional waivers for purposes of contract buyout” – they were just bought out.
Trouba has a NTC, so he can be put on waivers. If he passes through waivers, the team can assign him to the AHL. If he doesn’t report to the AHL, then they can terminate his contract.

Tampa threatened this exact situation to Macdonaugh when they sent him to Nashville. He had a Full NTC so could block any trade but they went to him and said either you accept the trade to Nashville or you go on waivers where I think Columbus was 1st in line to claim him.

This is a lever the Wild could pull with Jojo if his play warranted it, they put him on waivers, he would most likely not report to Iowa and they would then terminate him and he could sign with anybody in the league, I believe the Wild gets his $2 million in capspace back…

I believe Chris Drury threatened the exact same thing with Barklay Goodrow last summer but he was picked up by San Jose off waivers and got to keep his existing contract. That’s the big difference with getting picked up on waivers vs not, your existing contract is terminated and then you can sign a pro-rated deal with anybody, but its likely cheap…

Thanks T!

If they clear waivers, they can still report to the AHL and keep their contract. It’s only if they refuse to report that the team can terminate the contract… for obvious reasons. If they report, the player still gets paid and the team gets $1.15m taken off the cap hit

This is the part where alot of Wild fans who complain about the Trade Clauses with our older players didn’t understand what’s possible with a NTC vs a NMC (as TS explained)

The ONLY NMC’s (longer than 1 season) the Wild has are Kaprizov, Zuccy, Faber and Ek…Zuccy was given a 2 year NMC as he’s locked with Kirill at the Hip and it got the Wild a lower aav, We’re never going to trade Kirill, Faber or Ek so those are moot…Billy was smart to give Spurgeon, Foligno and Hartman a NMC ONLY early on in the term of their deals when the odds of them needing to get traded were very low, those trade/waiver options then open up the back half of their deals…

There’s a definite method to NMC’s getting handed out, its not an afterthought…

tswoboda wrote:

If they clear waivers, they can still report to the AHL and keep their contract. It’s only if they refuse to report that the team can terminate the contract… for obvious reasons. If they report, the player still gets paid and the team gets $1.15m taken off the cap hit

Yep, I was speaking as if they didn’t report…the odds are they won’t get a better deal than what they already had signed, but there’s a many reasons (personal) why they wouldn’t report and choose to go the UFA route…its a gamble

In Jojo’s case/age, I don’t think he wants anything to do with the AHL anymore, so he’d likely not report and either sign with an NHL team that could use him or he’d go back to Sweden…

Agree, I was just clarifying the team can’t terminate a contract without just cause. Because every time an NHL contract gets terminated we hear folks whining about Parise and Suter and how the NHL isn’t fair or Wild management are incompetent.

Victor Rask is an example of a significant contract that accepted the AHL assignment and still got paid his $4m contract in Iowa.

Recently Ryan Johansen didn’t report to the AHL when Philly waived him so they had cause to terminate his $8M aav contract. That one has the added wrinkle of him claiming injury so it gets into the weeds a bit but you see the point.

tswoboda wrote:

NMC = No Movement Clause = all the rules of a No Trade Clause + can’t be put on waivers; players have to go through waivers to go to the AHL – if they can’t be put on waivers, then they can’t be sent to the AHL

Makes sense, thanks for that.

As a follow on, essentially then a player with a full or even partial NTC could end up on a team he couldn’t be traded to if that team picks him off of waivers? Or does he still get a yes/no on waiver claims? I’m thinking not, but this kind of produces an interesting situation where a player ends up playing for a team he couldn’t have been traded to. Probably relatively rare.

You got it right, Grouse. And you’re right that it’s rare, but it actually happened with Barclay Goodrow this summer. He vetoed a trade to the Sharks, so the Rangers put him on waivers, and the Sharks claimed him.

tswoboda wrote:

You got it right, Grouse. And you’re right that it’s rare, but it actually happened with Barclay Goodrow this summer. He vetoed a trade to the Sharks, so the Rangers put him on waivers, and the Sharks claimed him.

Well, I guess Truba’s on notice then.

Yikes, things sound really toxic in RangerLand. Is Trouba known to be a giant PITA?

I guess with an $8M cap hit, the Wild won’t be clicking refresh on the computer screen waiting for him to hit waivers.

He’s their captain, so I would imagine he’s not a locker room issue… Drury wanted to rattle the cages of his team and put Trouba and Krieder on the trade block to make everyone feel they are “tradeable”

I think another aspect of this is to try and cut salary and get younger if possible…

Sounds like a trade is likely to happen and the Ducks are supposedly close to getting him… I can’t imagine the parts going back to the Rangers will be worth much after all the talk of them putting him on waivers…

Question – Do teams know where they sit in the waiver order? Could the Ducks call around to the teams ahead of them and ask if they plan on putting a claim on him? if nobody is the Ducks can just get him without giving the Rangers anything…

Trade now official, Trouba to the Ducks (no salary retained and 1 more year at $8) for a conditional 4th round pick and some minor league defenseman not in their top 15 prospects list…

So Wild fans this gives you an idea of what it takes to get rid of a good player on a good contract with term left…don’t expect anything in return for him…

So the Rangers just cleared $8 million in capspace, who will they be shopping for?

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Question – Do teams know where they sit in the waiver order? Could the Ducks call around to the teams ahead of them and ask if they plan on putting a claim on him? if nobody is the Ducks can just get him without giving the Rangers anything…

If a player is placed on waivers prior to Nov. 1, the waiver order is determined by the reverse standings order from the previous season. This means the team in last place gets the first chance to place a claim on a player.

If the player is placed on waivers after Nov. 1, then the claim order goes by the current season’s standings.
^^^I know what you’re all wondering and the answer is POINTS PERCENTAGE^^^

I think Trouba is fine, just way overpaid – they probably like him at like $2m-$4m. They tried trading him this summer too so this wasn’t really a shocker

JoeMX1825 wrote:

So the Rangers just cleared $8 million in capspace, who will they be shopping for?

Panic is now ensuing throughout all wild fans… THey need more obviously but its not without a realm of possibility.