2024/2025 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

  • JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2299839

    yeah, I just picked the story because it gave a decent recap of the more valuable UFA’s in 2026…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2299851

    these are always so good…love the Gusbus predictions when players are shooting on him…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2299912

    Ovi with another 2 goals sofar tonight, he’s leading the league in goals now..

    jack klusa
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    #2299918

    In the year of our Lord 2024, Alexander Ovechkin leads the league with 15 goals in 18 games… unreal

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2299923

    Ovi just took a shot to his knee from a falling Jack McBain and is hurt… went to the locker room…not good…

    CaptainMusky
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    #2299955

    Ovi just took a shot to his knee from a falling Jack McBain and is hurt… went to the locker room…not good…

    Yeah that didnt look good, but it did appear he didnt have much weight on that leg when the collision happened so hopefully just a bruise. We will see. That would suck to see him lose significant time due to injury.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
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    #2299959

    Ovi with another 2 goals sofar tonight, he’s leading the league in goals now..

    You just have to marvel at his durability. In his 20th NHL season he is leading the league in goals. Unbelievable.

    Sorry but all the modern superstars are just not cut from that cloth. I just don’t see Connor McJesus or Austin Matthews topping Ovi’s scoring record in their 20th season.

    CaptainMusky
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    #2299962

    Sorry but all the modern superstars are just not cut from that cloth. I just don’t see Connor McJesus or Austin Matthews topping Ovi’s scoring record in their 20th season.

    I will go on record and say no chance they do.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
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    #2299967

    This has to be my favorite Ovechkin goal of all time. And ironically, it was in his rookie season. “Ladies and Gentelemen, we have a winner for goal of the year. Don’t bother sending in your votes.”

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2299972

    Sorry but all the modern superstars are just not cut from that cloth. I just don’t see Connor McJesus or Austin Matthews topping Ovi’s scoring record in their 20th season.

    I agree although I beleive Austin Mathews is currently on pace to break it, BUT that assumes he averages like 60+ goals the next 9-10 seasons and that’s where the mission impossible starts and it makes you appreciate what Ovi has done more and more…it also seems like modern top athlete AGENTS have the ears of their clients more now and any type of pain or discomfort immediately means shutting down & taking time off or risk future injury (ie loss of $$) vs playing through the pain (not all athletes, but most in all sports)

    After watching a bunch of replays it wasn’t a very violent hit and there wasn’t alot of twisting or backwards movement of his knee, hopefully its just a stinger and sprain…. Tom Wilson made McBain drop the gloves a few minutes later and dropped him with a right hook…

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
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    #2300002

    I agree although I beleive Austin Mathews is currently on pace to break it, BUT that assumes he averages like 60+ goals the next 9-10 seasons and that’s where the mission impossible starts and it makes you appreciate what Ovi has done more and more…it also seems like modern top athlete AGENTS have the ears of their clients more now and any type of pain or discomfort immediately means shutting down & taking time off

    Completely right. Also I would say that these younger players are also making a lot more money, a lot earlier in their careers. They’re just isn’t any financial motivation anymore for a top player now that they are making 8 to 10 million dollars a year relatively early in their career. They’re making so much money that the race is to fill their bank account as quickly as possible.

    Frankly I think that now the only record that matters to most young Superstars is having the largest salary in a contract year and largest overall career earnings. All this goals and assists crap is so last century…

    Ovi, Jager, Crosby, Mario, even Fluery, these guys just had a burning desire to play hockey. Now I look at these younger guys and I wonder will they ever be considered in the same light? So many of them you wonder what they like to play more, hockey or golf? I never got the sense that ovechkin ever said oh well, we got beat in the playoffs, good news, now I get to play golf.

    tswoboda
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    #2300015

    Ahh the good ol’ days and how the dam kids these days just make too much money and don’t really love the game

    No one mention how Ovechkin still has the biggest total $$$ contract in NHL history, highest AAV% contract in NHL History, and highest career earnings in NHL history.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2300016

    No one mention how Ovechkin still has the biggest total $$$ contract in NHL history, highest AAV% contract in NHL History, and highest career earnings in NHL history.

    Maybe his 13 year deal was an intentional overpay to compensate him for scoring 163 goals on his 3 year ELC? )

    tswoboda
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    #2300020

    Whatever it was for it was a lot of money – more than any one of these dam lazy kids are making these days

    These same kids who train all summer, hire personal chefs and trainers, and eat chickpea pasta. While Ovi is crushing subway and cheetos before games, drinking coca-cola on the bench, and spending his summers partying with putin.

    Been said by countless former players how “boring” the young players are because they eat healthy and go to bed early on the road. When 20 years ago they were crushing beers on the plane and out partying every night.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
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    #2300021

    ere’s that Hockey News article I mentioned about Mathews possibly beating Ovi’s goal record someday…

    You know, the funny thing is that among today’s younger superstars, I can’t think of any of them LESS likely to have a >20-year career than Mathews.

    McDavid? I can see him making it. Leon? Meh, maybe kinda. MacKinnon, likely. Krill? Yes. But Mathews, I can’t see him getting very far past 15 years much less to 20+

    Again, you have to have a profound respect for what Gretzky did. All those records that lasted so long, and he did it all in exactly 20 years in the league and with a wooden stick and 1980s level sports training and medicine. Wow.

    AK Guy
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    #2300024

    One of my favorite Ovi commercials.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
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    #2300025

    No one mention how Ovechkin still has the biggest total $$$ contract in NHL history, highest AAV% contract in NHL History, and highest career earnings in NHL history.

    Umm, no one mentions it because it’s a little hard for those damn kids to top Ovi’s total contract record when it’s literally not possible under the league rules. It’s pretty easy to keep a record when the other guys aren’t allowed to break it.

    Highest career earnings? Hmmm. I’m betting that record won’t last 20 years either.

    tswoboda
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    #2300026

    …and with a wooden stick and 1980s level sports training and medicine. Wow.

    And against 1980s level goalies when there were 20% more goals scored per game

    Gretzky is and always will be the undisputed greatest hockey player ever, but the wooden stick thing is just a dumb argument that drives me nuts. Every single player was using those sticks yet somehow miraculously there were 20% more goals scored per game

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    tswoboda
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    #2300029

    Umm, no one mentions it because it’s a little hard for those damn kids to top Ovi’s total contract record when it’s literally not possible under the league rules. It’s pretty easy to keep a record when the other guys aren’t allowed to break it.

    They can sign for 20% of the cap. Highest ever was Ovi at 16.75%, I think McDavid’s deal was 15.xx%, Matthews 15.1%, and Leon around 15%. These lazy bum kids are taking a smaller piece of the pie than Ovi did 15 years ago even though he was only in it for the love of the game

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
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    #2300030

    Been said by countless former players how “boring” the young players are because they eat healthy and go to bed early on the road. When 20 years ago they were crushing beers on the plane and out partying every night.

    LOL

    20 years ago fighting and enforcers were also a big part of the game. Teams had players on their active roster every game solely for that purpose. Its a speed and skill game now. Not a goon it up game.

    I’m not against a good scrap every once in a while but clearly there is no room for a player like that anymore. You better be able to contribute in some fashion other than just being a fighter or enforcer.

    tswoboda
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    #2300031

    It’s unlikely but if Ovi stays hot he has a chance to break Gretzky’s record in fewer games played. Needs 26 goals in the next 43 games – 0.6 goals per game – dead nuts on with his career average

    And now he’s “week to week” whatever that means. Is this the first time Russian Machine has been in for repairs?

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2300035

    ahhh, the era arguments again…and I didn’t even start it!

    Goalies from the 80’s were like Garth from Wayne’s World…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2300036

    The % of capspace number fascinates me…what drives who gets what number? greed? self-worth? team friendly?

    The 3 Contracts to compare are:
    Crosby’s 12 year $8.70aav at 13.53%
    Ovechkin’s 13 year $9.54aav at 16.82%
    McDavid’s 8 year $12.5aav at 15.72%

    Obviously the biggest difference between these 3 players is goal totals…and goal scorers typically get paid more…Ovi is obviously going to be the best ever at it and thus gets the $ bump imo… Ovi’s first 3 years point total was 310, more than Syd and McJesus (who got hurt)…I think you also have to look at teammates over the years a bit too, Ovi had a good Nick Backstrom as a passer (only had a career high 68 assists though) and that’s probably it? (I gotta be missing somebody?) Syd has Gino, McJesus has Leon to help up their point total…

    It seems like Russian superstars have always been all about the benjamins though, didn’t Mogilney, then Fedorov, then Ovi & Gino, then Panarin, then Bobrovsky & Vasilevsky then Kaprizov and Shesterkin all set record high contracts per their situation?

    What the heck is wrong with Kucherov’s agent?

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
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    #2300040

    They can sign for 20% of the cap.

    Yep, but they can’t sign 13-year deals now, can they?

    And against 1980s level goalies when there were 20% more goals scored per game

    That’s because the old school players were at least 20% more awesome than the tofu-eating wet lettuces we have today.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11818
    #2300043

    20 years ago fighting and enforcers were also a big part of the game. Teams had players on their active roster every game solely for that purpose. Its a speed and skill game now. Not a goon it up game.

    Speaking of goon it up…

    Why isn’t anyone talking about the Reaves hit on Nurse?

    The question has to be asked again. Should an illegal hit that injures a player result in the suspended player being out until the injured player can return?

    As usual, the league hands Toronto a sweetheart deal. 5 games for Superstar Reaves. That means Toronto will be without this pure goal-scorer for like 39 minutes in total.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2300045

    because this guy makes the decisions on suspensions…

    tswoboda
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    #2300063

    What the heck is wrong with Kucherov’s agent?

    Sad part is he was Kirill’s original agent

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2300064

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
    What the heck is wrong with Kucherov’s agent?

    Sad part is he was Kirill’s original agent

    its crazy that Theanofus only has like 14 NHL clients, Kirill and Artemi being his biggest…

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