2024/2025 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

  • TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11624
    #2298572

    It was a loss, but what a third period by Boldy. He just decided he was going to score. Denied by a double metallurgy save? Boldy says hold my Gatorade and watch this next shift. What a stud.

    At what point can we officially start getting nervous about how unproductive the power play is? 0-3 vs the Suckhawks?

    Also that overtime period. Ek gets tossed from the dot at the start. Ugh. First line gets caught out there way too long. Double ugh. Spurgeon skates in the middle of two Hawks players and unsurprisingly emerges without the puck. Triple ugh.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2298585

    Also that overtime period. Ek gets tossed from the dot at the start. Ugh. First line gets caught out there way too long. Double ugh. Spurgeon skates in the middle of two Hawks players and unsurprisingly emerges without the puck. Triple ugh.

    I’ll grant you the ugg about Spurgeon skating into defenders, wtf, but we ended up winning the opening faceoff and guys get caught out long in OT all the time as the team with the puck just regroups and gets their guys changed, why expiring the defenders energy (The GMs had a chance to change that regroup in OT strategy and voted not to mess with it)…we’ve seen guys attempt to get off the ice during that regroup turn into instant breakaways for the other team before, so they stay out and try to survive until a goalie freeze or a far out enough clear…

    The PP is a mess right now because they are not changing their tactics, the LA Kings loss a week or two ago showed the blueprint on how to beat the Wild PP, lots of boards puck pressure, don’t let Zuccy/Boldy/Kaprizov have time with the puck to figure out a play, now EVERY team since then is copying that strategy…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2298682

    Elliot Freidman says Columbus is listening to calls for big RH Defenseman David Jiricek. The Wild would absolutely be interested, What do you think offer their could look like? He would be a great Spurgeon replacement a few years down the road…

    The Sotapod guys brought up Rossi’s name, I don’t think that would work as Columbus already has 3-4 good Centers (Monahan, Fantili, Sillinger)

    I’d start with this offer and see where it leads – Freddy Gaudreau, Carson Lambos, 2024 1st round pick (it will likely take more than this)

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2298708

    1 for 1 Freddy Hockey.

    maybe if Deano was the only decision maker )

    I think David Jiricek is the EXACT type of player the Wild would be willing to trade Rossi for (big Right Shot Defenseman), I just don’t see Columbus NEEDING Rossi…The good thing though is that IF the Wild brass have made up their minds that they are going to trade Rossi, he will be a HUGE poker chip to shop with…

    and yes, I hear your arguments that his production and the fact he’s a competent young center for a franchise that has been starved for one is reason enough to keep him, but you gotta play the long game if you’re GMBG and if they are dead set on Yurov playing center (he’s been great playing it in the KHL, he’s good defensively and over 50% on draws) then it starts to make sense…

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11624
    #2298738

    I’ll grant you the ugg about Spurgeon skating into defenders, wtf, but we ended up winning the opening faceoff and guys get caught out long in OT all the time…

    I get all that. The point was that from even before the puck drop of overtime nothing was going right and that trend continued right until the puck ended up in the back of our net. The whole overtime approach looked like amateur hour.

    Despite a lot of changes behind the bench I still don’t have any confidence in the Wild special teams approach. I’m totally with you obviously the wilds power play has become totally predictable. It is clearly easy to defend and every opponent seems to be on the same page with how to do it.

    It’s hard to say whether the PK has been better because we’ve been playing low end teams. The approach to overtime look like a gong show. I suppose we can be charitable and blame it on the fact that this was the tail end of a long road trip. Let’s hope that’s the case.

    and yes, I hear your arguments that his production and the fact he’s a competent young center for a franchise that has been starved for one is reason enough to keep him, but you gotta play the long game if you’re GMBG

    Why would the center starved Minnesota Wild trade away what is now a first line centerman to get a defenseman with a grade A D man like Buium in the wings?

    Billy Gee doesn’t have a long game to play. He can talk about 5-year plans and a whole bunch of crap but the reality is if this team doesn’t make the playoffs this season and make a showing then the likelihood of Billy resigning Kaprizov goes down significantly. And so does the likelihood of Billy keeping his job.

    basseyes
    Posts: 2509
    #2298751

    No matter what BG thinks about centers and not needing them, they are a pretty d@m big deal for the pp, pk and the overall game in general. The amount of puck chasing this team does is idiotic. Especially on the pp and pk. And to bad teams. Not a BG hater but not in love with a gm who completely disregards the center position as almost meaningless. We all get there aren’t many great centers available for cheap, but if this roster had a top shelf center on the dot and in front of the net, this team would be miles ahead of where they are. Love Ek and Rossi is still developing, but other than that this team is on life support on must win face-off percentages on the pp or pk.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2298755

    Why would the center starved Minnesota Wild trade away what is now a first line centerman to get a defenseman with a grade A D man like Buium in the wings?

    because they have Ek signed for another 4 years and will most likely extend him afterwards and IF they think Yurov is going to be a top 6 center AND they REFUSE to play Rossi at wing, they aren’t going to pay Rossi the likely $6-7+ million aav to play 3rd line center. They would rather use that asset & capspace to get a bluechip defensive prospect with Size 6’3″ and a big RH shot to replace Spurgeon who has 2 more years on his deal IF he can stay healthy…same can be said for an aging Brodin who left the Chicago game hurt again…

    Yes, there’s risk Yurov could flake out at the NHL level, that will need to be part of their consideration…. Russo has been floating this Rossi trade theory for awhile now, he wouldn’t keep it going if there wasn’t some truth behind it…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2298762

    Not a BG hater but not in love with a gm who completely disregards the center position as almost meaningless.

    He doesn’t disregard the Center position, but he’s going to say that when he’s on camera because he simply couldn’t afford to sign or trade for a top one (if any are even available)
    Now they have Ek who has established himself as a top 6 center and they have Rossi who had a great rookie season and almost a ppg this season and a stud Center prospect (Yurov) expected to come over from the KHL next season…

    So GMBG has a choice to make:
    1- See if Rossi will sign a 2 year bridge extension to see if he’s truly their 1C solution and also buys time to see if Yurov is the real deal (this is likely the solution they will go with) Rossi doesn’t have any Arb rights, so we own him the next 2-3 years no matter what…
    2- Sign Rossi to a long term extension (5-8 years) and play Yurov at Wing
    3- Trade Rossi to plug a big roster/organization need (Big Young RH Defenseman)

    If they go with option 1 and BOTH players explode from a development standpint, then you’re sitting pretty on picking whichever player better fits the long term plan and you get a big return trading the other (assuming you can’t afford to pay both)

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2298793

    I think it is very unlikely they trade Rossi in season currently. If he signs an extension he will still be a very tradeable asset if and only if a Russian prospect that is not even signed actually comes over and performs. Don’t see how they can trade Rossi now or this season and not affect their playoff chances.
    I also think there is almost zero chance Freddy will play in Columbus anytime soon.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2298796

    I think it is very unlikely they trade Rossi in season currently. If he signs an extension he will still be a very tradeable asset if and only if a Russian prospect that is not even signed actually comes over and performs. Don’t see how they can trade Rossi now or this season and not affect their playoff chances.
    I also think there is almost zero chance Freddy will play in Columbus anytime soon.

    Agreed that a trade Rossi trade most likely won’t happen this season, but why not a Freddy to Columbus trade? because of his last name? really? so is he excluded from Columbus for life? what about Calgary?

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2298802

    Yes really. You are not seeing that name on the back of a Columbus sweater until at least that sweater is hanging in the rafters.
    Remember he wasn’t shipped there or traded there he signed as a FA and was a pretty big deal there.
    I just don’t see the optics of it happening this season. Not saying ever.
    Just not this fresh. Frankly only reason he even comes up is because of Deano and a contract that is too long. Frankly I don’t see many teams wanting him in the first place.
    JMO.

    TillrLife
    Cold Spring, MN
    Posts: 891
    #2298806

    Russo has been floating this Rossi trade theory for awhile now, he wouldn’t keep it going if there wasn’t some truth behind it…

    Why not? He keeps getting guys like yourself to listen and spread the rumor proving people are listening to him.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2298811

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>

    Russo has been floating this Rossi trade theory for awhile now, he wouldn’t keep it going if there wasn’t some truth behind it…

    Why not? He keeps getting guys like yourself to listen and spread the rumor proving people are listening to him.

    you mean Wild fans? or the 10+ million Athletic subscribers? You’re obviously clueless on how beat writers earn their paycheck, they don’t print bs, can they be wrong? sure, but its not intentional just to get clicks…

    TillrLife
    Cold Spring, MN
    Posts: 891
    #2298825

    you mean Wild fans? or the 10+ million Athletic subscribers? You’re obviously clueless on how beat writers earn their paycheck, they don’t print bs, can they be wrong? sure, but its not intentional just to get clicks…

    Sure.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2298847

    One thing the NHL GM’s proposed today was for the NHL to approach the NHLPA about reducing the max 8 year contract extension during the 2026 CBA negotiations…. I find it interesting the GMs would want to reduce it vs the players?? You’d think they would like the point in time aav stretched out as far as it could to accrue value on the player contract as they hopefully outperform it vs re-negotiate again in fewer years with a likely ever rising salary cap?

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11624
    #2299040

    I think it is very unlikely they trade Rossi in season currently. If he signs an extension he will still be a very tradeable asset if and only if a Russian prospect that is not even signed actually comes over and performs. Don’t see how they can trade Rossi now or this season and not affect their playoff chances.

    This is exactly why Rossi isn’t going anywhere this season. There’s nobody to replace him and there are only 3 things that matter to GMBG. Billy is on the hotseat for: (1) Get to the playoffs and (2) get past the first round (3) resign Kaprizov. That is all. Nothing that interferes with those 3 goals will happen, including trading a 20-30 goal guy like Rossi.

    Russo is talking about trading Rossi because there is literally nobody else to talk about regarding trades. The Wild are so locked down with NTC/NMC clauses that were handed out like candy that Rossi is the only player who possibly has any significant trade value and could be dealt. Everybody else is locked down with an NTC/NMC or is a bubble/low-value player that nobody’s interested in even talking about to begin with.

    I think guys are way underestimating the pressure on Guerin to make the playoffs AND not just a flameout R1 exit. He needs this team to win R1 and show up for R2 of his seat temperature gets turned up to 11.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2299057

    I think guys are way underestimating the pressure on Guerin to make the playoffs AND not just a flameout R1 exit. He needs this team to win R1 and show up for R2 of his seat temperature gets turned up to 11.

    I think you’re underestimating how hard it is to be competitive when you’re $15 million under the cap ceiling (GMBG’s own doing with 2 players he inherited) $15 million is 2 star players & difference makers vs needing to use AHL guys….
    Over the last 4 seasons of increasingly worse cap penalty hits this team has overachieved and been carried by a superstar, 1 season of 4 guys having career years and a bunch of ELC guys (Boldy, Rossi, Faber) playing extremely well…I think the heat on GMBG starts next season when he’s playing with a near full deck (There’s still almost $1.7 in buyout caphits the next 3 years)

    Playoff success is a different animal, even President’s Trophy teams lose in the 1st round… It would sure be nice to finally play a 1st round with all of our best players healthy for a change….

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22706
    #2299109

    Ohgren with a hat trick last night. Seems to be doing well now that he is getting some playing time albeit in Iowa, but better than riding the pine here.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2299119

    Ohgren with a hat trick last night. Seems to be doing well now that he is getting some playing time albeit in Iowa, but better than riding the pine here.

    It was last Saturday’s game, but he’s been playing well in the 4 games down there… Hunter Haight has been playing well too, he leads them in goals… other than those 2 and Milne, the rest have been below average or terrible, our young D prospects have been meh all season sofar (Spacek probably the best of them all)…that’s worrisome… I’m not sure Brett McClain is the answer for their coach…

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11624
    #2299143

    I think you’re underestimating how hard it is to be competitive when you’re $15 million under the cap ceiling (GMBG’s own doing with 2 players he inherited) $15 million is 2 star players & difference makers vs needing to use AHL guys….

    Every GM inherits bad deals, bad cap situations, and players that they wouldn’t have chosen in the first place. The bottom line is the buyouts are in their last year. Time to stop whining about them and start figuring out how to win.

    I also think that the buyouts have been putting down a smoke screen for some really questionable other decisions Guerin has made.

    Guerin in my opinion has been riding a massive wave of grade inflation. Because Minnesota’s past GMs were so bad, Guerin as an average GM, has looked artificially good. I think now is put up or shut up time. He needs to get this team into the playoffs and resign KK.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2299148

    Time to stop whining about them and start figuring out how to win.

    How do you do that when staring at a roster $15 million less than everyone else? Other than last season, Billy has built some of the best regular season Wild teams in team history, yes Playoffs are another animal and there are plenty of other issues that have impacted that…

    The USA Hockey folks who know best put Billy in charge of the 4 Nations Tourney and the Olympics, the 2 BIGGEST World Hockey events with arguably the best USA roster of players in history, I’d say that’s pretty high praise of his GM abilities…even with all of the scandal rumors at the time of the decision…

    They knew they had to eventually re-sign Kirill before the Buyout decision was made, it’s not like its something new that just popped up…

    Look how the roster has played out the past few years, what questionable decisions has he made (other than giving Foligno 4 years vs 3 and sofar the Trenin signing) that haven’t worked out? Don’t bring up the No Movement Clauses Hartman & Foligno got as Hartman’s changes to a 15 team no trade clause next season (Foligno’s the following season), so they could get traded away if needed…Trenin has zero trade protection…so even if they turn into bad decisions, he can get out of them without too much pain…

    CaptainMusky
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    #2299153

    Guerin’s seat isnt even warm other than from body heat. If they are unable to keep KK then it will be scalding unless he is able to unload him before his contract is up after next season. THey will need to start talks this off season to test the waters and see where he is at. THey need to focus on this season and getting to the playoffs and getting past the first round before worrying about any of that. So far so good.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2299155

    THey will need to start talks this off season to test the waters and see where he is at

    oh they’ve already done that unofficially…if Kirill DOESN”T sign an extension the first week of July (he should be signing an extension on July 1st unless there’s a July 4th vacation/travel conflict) then he doesn’t want to be here… there should be ZERO negotiation with Kirill, he’ll get an 8 year extension, it will set the new AAV bar for Wings by alot, he’ll get a full NMC… seriously what else is there to negotiate on where the Wild would say No to unless its some complicated deferred payment schedule (like Seth Jarvis) that will likely require more time just to iron out all of the details…

    Point being, we’ll know the first week of July 2025 if he’s re-signing or leaving…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22706
    #2299156

    Great! Brodin is out tonight. Day to Day.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17836
    #2299157

    Great! Brodin is out tonight. Day to Day.

    yeah, that’s why Hunt was called up days ago… Bogo had a personal issue he was dealing with but it sounded like he would be back…Jojo was feely sicky but he took some children’s aspirin so hopefully he feely better…seriously they have to start thinking about possibly sending him to Iowa to see if he’ll accept it or opt out of his contract…he’s getting too many minutes with no production in the top 6…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2299159

    KK will sign the biggest contract for any position not just wing. He will get more than king Leon.
    Unloading him sets this team way back. You will not get even half a return for him as the team he decides to go to has no reason to. They will have the leverage power as they will know they can wait a year and wink wink sign him for nothing.
    The money saved if he does not sign does not allow the wild freedom as it will be even harder to get FA’s worthwhile to sign without him.
    They should probably be asking him where he wants his statue in the arena renovation. Or give him the naming rights to the arena.
    Yes nothing we can do about it now.
    Have to let it play out at this point.

    Think BG is glad nobody wanted Gus Bus right about now and guessing there are some GM’s kicking themselves. Don’t think his seat is hot now but come this offseason it will surely start to warm up either way.

    Will be at the game tonight so hopefully we get a W.

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