2024/2025 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

  • JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2297685

    I know he had a good season last year, but where is he at this year?

    He’s leading Vancouver in scoring, 5 goals, 4 assists in 10 games

    Boeser’s game has always had some defensive warts, but he’s a RH shooter and a scorer, we need both…and I think he absolutely wants to be here, so maybe he takes a slight haircut on AAV…Russo said his agent (Ben Hankinson) has made it absolutely clear to GMBG of his desire to play here….

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8381
    #2297699

    What podcast is that Joe?

    Doesn’t make sense when both of those teams expect to make the playoffs. Islanders probably don’t but Lou doesn’t sell anyway. I can’t imagine either them trading off key pieces like that during the season.

    Brock Nelson been one of the most underrated players in the league for years now, easy player to like. But yeah as far as an extension goes, he’s about as gray as Ovi

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17569
    #2297704

    What podcast is that Joe?

    Doesn’t make sense when both of those teams expect to make the playoffs. Islanders probably don’t but Lou doesn’t sell anyway. I can’t imagine either them trading off key pieces like that during the season.

    Brock Nelson been one of the most underrated players in the league for years now, easy player to like. But yeah as far as an extension goes, he’s about as gray as Ovi

    Daily Faceoff – I agree that shipping off pieces when making the playoffs doesn’t typically make sense, but Vancouver can’t afford Boeser next season (they have $5 million in dead cap next season) so do they get what they can for him or lose him for nothing?

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8381
    #2297711

    Easy question for a team that won the pacific and a playoff round last year, looking to build on that this year. They can’t sell off their leading goal scorer for a juicy juicy 27th overall pick and B- prospect. When does that ever happen? It doesn’t. Would be like Tampa trading Stamkos at the deadline last year.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17569
    #2297714

    Easy question for a team that won the pacific and a playoff round last year, looking to build on that this year. They can’t sell off their leading goal scorer for a juicy juicy 27th overall pick and B- prospect. When does that ever happen? It doesn’t. Would be like Tampa trading Stamkos at the deadline last year.

    yep, Stammer is a bit of an enigma as I think Tampa expected him to take the paycut to stay with the Lightning for his career, he called their bluff and left… They’ll go after Boeser during free agency then, he just couldn’t get an 8 year deal, that might be for the best from the Wild perspective… I could then see the Wild being interested in a Brock Nelson type of player as a playoff rental, but Rentals have worked so well in the past for the Wild (

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8381
    #2297723

    but Rentals have worked so well in the past for the Wild

    Aside from Klingberg, Billy G has been very good with in-season trades. Flower, Mojo, Nyquist, Middleton were all acquired as pending free agents; so rental trades, even if most didn’t turn out that way. Even Reavo and Dlo (trades I personally hated) played some of their best hockey with the Wild and got big contracts the following summer.

    I get it we’re all still traumatized by Marty Hanzal, but he was pretty much as advertised and the juicy juicy 1st they gave up turned into PO Joseph… not exactly a franchise killer.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17569
    #2297727

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
    but Rentals have worked so well in the past for the Wild

    Aside from Klingberg, Billy G has been very good with in-season trades. Flower, Mojo, Nyquist, Middleton were all acquired as pending free agents; so rental trades, even if most didn’t turn out that way. Even Reavo and Dlo (trades I personally hated) played some of their best hockey with the Wild and got big contracts the following summer.

    i’m still scarred by Martin Hanzel (lol – I didn’t notice you mentioned him until after I posted this)

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8381
    #2297732

    i’m still scarred by Martin Hanzel (lol – I didn’t notice you mentioned him until after I posted this)

    toast

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17569
    #2297733

    and the juicy juicy 1st they gave up turned into PO Joseph

    yeah but that was a Arizona scouting decision…it could have been Jake Oettinger or Jason Robertson….not that the Wild’s scouting staff at the time was any smarter with their 2018 1st round pick of Filip Johansson…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8381
    #2297752

    That kind of thinking is what leads to late 1sts being way over-valued. Aside from the guys Dallas picked (Dubnyk had just signed and Fletcher never drafted a goalie again), not exactly a murderers row of guys available at 23. Nic Hauge and maayyyybe Morgan Frost. Less than 25% chance of hitting there

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    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2297758

    That kind of thinking is what leads to late 1sts being way over-valued. Aside from the guys Dallas picked (Dubnyk had just signed and Fletcher never drafted a goalie again), not exactly a murderers row of guys available at 23. Nic Hauge and maayyyybe Morgan Frost.

    oh i’m cherry picking for sure…i’m thankful alot of the Brackett era Wild picks still at least have an NHL pulse based on our previous draft track record…O’Rourke/Lambos are sliding towards the worry status, still too early on Peart…Stramel is still a huge Wildcard although he’s been alot better this season but that’s compared with 2 of the worst seasons possible…Gabe Perrault continues to slide up top prospect boards…

    its crazy what’s considered a good NHL draft pick batting average nowadays…Judd gets a ton of praise throughout the league, but when you really break down his round 1-4 picks (I consider rounds 5-7 just crapshoots) is he even batting above the Mendoza line?

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8381
    #2297770

    Judd has drafted one no-doubt career NHLer with the Wild so far. That number is going up, but you can’t say for sure if these picks hit or not until 5-10 years after the draft.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11545
    #2297775

    He’s (Boesser) leading Vancouver in scoring, 5 goals, 4 assists in 10 games

    That’s the last thing we need, another #oneofus that’s basically just a ho-hum point per game guy. Boring!

    The awesomeness of getting Boesser can’t be understated, but Vancouver will know this and price him accordingly.

    yeah but that was a Arizona scouting decision…it could have been Jake Oettinger or Jason Robertson….not that the Wild’s scouting staff at the time was any smarter

    Fectard Fletcher WAS the only scouting staff that mattered because he thought of himself as a draft savant/genius of the first order. He definitely would have been all over PO Joseph or he’d have drafted some head-scratcher that everybody else had as a late R3 guy, kinda, maybe.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17569
    #2297794

    Judd has drafted one no-doubt career NHLer with the Wild so far. That number is going up, but you can’t say for sure if these picks hit or not until 5-10 years after the draft.

    What is your definition of “Hit”?

    Modern day NHL salary cap and longer term contracts complicate things by keeping some players in the league and others out of it longer just due to a numbers game… I’d say any player drafted that plays NHL games should be considered a draft pick success, obviously 1st & 2nd rounders should have a much higher % of that pool than other rounds…There’s also the large group of existing unsigned/traded NHLers that get bounced around organizations every season that compete with those young drafted players for roster spots…

    Rossi, Khusnutdinov, Hunt, Ohgren and Wallstedt should all be considered Judd success stories sofar imo, they are either current NHLers or AHLers waiting their turn due to veteran contracts ahead of them that can’t be moved due to waivers risk or contract clauses…The issue is they are all 1st or 2nd rounders (besides 3rd rounder Hunt) and the next wave of prospects that look like potential NHLers are also all 1st & 2nd rounders (with the exception of Bankier who was a 3rd) so it doesn’t appear we’re finding those diamonds in the rough…maybe David Spacek (5th rounder) is the closest prospect we have to that?
    This gets back to my old draft argument of quality over quantity, trade your 3-7 round draft picks whenever you can if you’re getting a known player in return…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17569
    #2297800

    The awesomeness of getting Boesser can’t be understated, but Vancouver will know this and price him accordingly.

    They either trade him while they are a likely playoff team (as TS mentioned, really tough to do to your players and fanbase) and he’ll likely be a rental (that drives his price down) or he goes to free agency and they get nothing for him…

    There’s so much smoke around him playing for the Wild next season that there should be an NHL tampering case opened (joking)…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11447
    #2297803

    Brock Nelson’s best three years have come the last 3 years. I would take that aging vet vs anyone of the current ones they signed.
    Don’t see how Boesser gets traded if Vancouver is in the playoff thick of things without getting an NHL player that can help them now in return.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2297804

    Don’t see how Boesser gets traded if Vancouver is in the playoff thick of things without getting an NHL player that can help them now in return.

    Freddy’s an NHL player… He can help with Player/Coach relations…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11447
    #2297808

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
    Don’t see how Boesser gets traded if Vancouver is in the playoff thick of things without getting an NHL player that can help them now in return.

    Freddy’s an NHL player… He can help with Player/Coach relations…

    Is he?

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