2024/2025 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

lindyrig79 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CaptainMusky wrote:</div>
I wouldnt say that got cooked. You cant win a game if you dont score. Otter was fantastic and Gus had a pretty solid game. Merrill probably saved a goal or two with great play. He is really coming around. Now Chisholm is dinged up. This is the guy I would think Zeev would replace in the lineup. Similar playing styles.

Well I would say they got cooked. Although they valiantly “hung with them” for awhile Dallas was the only team generating quality scoring opportunities. I think Dallas had a couple off the pipes, in addition to the shutout 0-3 win. I didn’t see much of anything that suggested the Wild could actually win the game.

I think they posted on the telecast last night that the Wild are currently playing with $45+ million out of the lineup (injured players and Parise/Suter buyouts) that’s over half the total team salary cap!!!

It’s a miracle they are winning any games right now, its why GusBus was just the NHL player of the week…

lindyrig79 wrote:

Well I would say they got cooked.

Your definition and my definition of “cooked” are different obviously. The game could have easily been 5-0 and then that is cooked, but the Wild had chances and plenty of them just didnt score.

Agree Gus has been keeping them relevant. And also agree it’s OK to differ on opinions Capt. To me it was very predictable; Otter shut them down, again. Wasn’t much of a game.

I would, however, like to see the injured guys back and give it another go. But I still wouldn’t be holding my breath.

In the end, it just sucks to lose to Dallas I think we can all agree on that.

lindyrig79 wrote:

In the end, it just sucks to lose to Dallas I think we can all agree on that.

Yep, its getting dang old that is for sure! They are a better team top to bottom especially right now. If all our guys are healthy we stand a chance, but I dont like a matchup against them in the playoffs one bit regardless of our health.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Huh? Barzal has a couple of 80 point seasons playing for a stagnant roster in New York. When healthy (I agree that’s been an issue for him and he would need to be medically cleared) he’s one of the better skating & setup center’s in the league, something Kirill would thrive playing with…

I meant to say Barzal has never scored that many goals (30) in any season. In fact Rossi right now is 1 goal from equaling Barzal’s career best goals season. Yes, he’s had 80 point seasons. With 63 and 57 assists.

The Wild don’t need setup men, they need men who can put the puck in the damn net. We can’t afford to backslide by trading a 30 goal guy like Rossi for less goal production.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
Huh? Barzal has a couple of 80 point seasons playing for a stagnant roster in New York. When healthy (I agree that’s been an issue for him and he would need to be medically cleared) he’s one of the better skating & setup center’s in the league, something Kirill would thrive playing with…

I meant to say Barzal has never scored that many goals (30) in any season. In fact Rossi right now is 1 goal from equaling Barzal’s career best goals season. Yes, he’s had 80 point seasons. With 63 and 57 assists.

The Wild don’t need setup men, they need men who can put the puck in the damn net. We can’t afford to backslide by trading a 30 goal guy like Rossi for less goal production.

we can agree to disagree about Barzal, I’d trade Rossi and assets for him in a second… the injuries are worrisome though… I’m sure Kirill would love a dedicated setup man once Zuccy retires…

just curious, for all of those that say there’s NO WAY we should trade Rossi, what would you expect his next contract is?

How much term and what AAV?

35 games against playoff teams: 7g-13a-20 points
36 games against non-playoff teams: 15g-19a-34 points
Not sure how this trend goes for every Wild player, likely somewhat similar but it’s pretty glaring with Rossi. He had that same reputation pre-draft in the OHL

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

30 goal guy like Rossi

That a hell of a rounding job… he has 22 goals this year, 21 last year.

Boldy is actually significantly worse than Rossi in the same breakdown

35 games against playoff teams: 9g-11a-20 points
36 games against non-playoff teams: 14g-26a-40 points

There’s always risk when trading a good young player who has shown steady improvements year over year early on and they say the best Ability is Availability, which is especially true after this injury plagued season, Rossi has shown he’s dependble from a health perspective. In the end you gotta give up talent, to get talent and you also have to manage your capspace properly, GMBG leans on guys with decades of NHL evaluation experience to help steer/make his decisions if they decide to trade him, they’ll have good reasons for it…

tswoboda wrote:

Boldy is actually significantly worse than Rossi in the same breakdown

35 games against playoff teams: 9g-11a-20 points
36 games against non-playoff teams: 14g-26a-40 points

They would probably BOTH fit in perfectly in Buffalo! Make it Happen Billy!

Just curious…can you do that same point breakdown for other players on similar middle of the road teams like the Wild? (Coronado for Calgary, Boeser for Nucks or Thomas for the Blues) I suspect its pretty common for any player’s stats to be tilted higher against the bad teams vs the good ones…

I’m not going to do it for random players on other teams, just did it for the Wild’s top 5 scores this year. Agree it’s going to be similar across most players – most players naturally produce less against good teams than against bad teams… duh, right. But Boldy & Rossi are by far the most guilty of beating up on the bad teams. Kaprizov and Zuccy not as bad, interesting part is Kirill’s goals are better against playoff teams, but assists are way down… and it’s the exact opposite for Zuccy. And 5th in points on the team is… Freddy lol not much to look at there.

Since the currently Wild players famously don’t have much playoff experience to look at, I was trying to do something similar to looking at regular season stats vs playoffs. Same thing typically happens there where stars generally produce less in the playoffs. But you look at McDavid, Draisaitl, Mackinnon, Rantanen, Makar in recent years and they all consistently produce at the same rate or even more during the playoffs. Compare that to the Toronto fab 5 whose production goes right in the tank every season once playoffs start.

tswoboda wrote:

interesting part is Kirill’s goals are better against playoff teams, but assists are way down… and it’s the exact opposite for Zuccy. And 5th in points on the team is… Freddy lol not much to look at there.

I would imagine goalie talent is a big influencer there, the elite goal scorers are still gonna score where as normal players will have a tougher time scoring goals against better goalies, but they are feeding the stars…

lots of factors can influence those points vs good/bad team stats (PP opportunities, overall skill level of opponents, opportunities for empty net points at the end of more winning games, etc)

Hynes said at today’s presser that Kirill and Ek will indeed start skating this week…

Did FanDuel just crap the bed for everyone?

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Did FanDuel just crap the bed for everyone?

Yes

Just funny seeing Technical Difficulties written across the screen

Fanduel feed all good on the ESPN app

tswoboda wrote:

Fanduel feed all good on the ESPN app

It was back right at the end of the first period and now it’s back to technical difficulties.

Commercials are fine! LOL

And now the feed is back.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

Hynes said at today’s presser that Kirill and Ek will indeed start skating this week…

Do based off of that, when is the likelihood they will play?

Be nice to see A goal. FFS.

lindyrig79 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
Hynes said at today’s presser that Kirill and Ek will indeed start skating this week…

Do based off of that, when is the likelihood they will play?

7-10 days, earlier or later depends if they were able to do cardio workouts off the ice for some time beforehand…

lindyrig79 wrote:

Be nice to see A goal. FFS.

Does this game fall into the cooked category so far? I would say yeah, boring af to watch again too

Our scouts need to take some heat for telling GMBG that Nyquist was worth a 2nd round pick…. He’s so slow now, always behind the play…. Maybe he’ll look less out of place when Kirill & Ek are back and he’s on the 3rd or 4th line… yikes…

tswoboda wrote:

Does this game fall into the cooked category so far? I would say yeah, boring af to watch again too

Thus far, yes. Zero offense and very boring

1) Rossi + Boldy + Heidt for Tage Thompson & JJ Peterka (Buffalo needs to re-shuffle/shakeup their roster, this trade would absolutely do it. I think it’s more of an even trade than most think when they first look at it and the caphits are likely pretty even if not saves the Wild some $ allowing the Wild to add another big UFA this summer)

Why would buffalo want to make this trade? Just because they are Buffalo?

2) Rossi + Ohgren + Heidt + Gaudreau + 2025 2nd round draft pick for Matt Barzal (needs to be medically cleared) I know Barzal is the Islanders cornerstone player, but the Islanders are an aging team and needs to start a rebuild with a bare prospect pool, Barzal will just be wasted on that roster the next 6 years and Lou can fast track the rebuild with the Wild prospect package and Freddy gives them a good interim bottom 6 veteran player at a very low aav to play during their rebuild… 2 recent 1st and 2 recent 2nd round picks and a solid cheap veteran for 6 years of $9aav Barzal coming off a season long injury…

Nope. Don’t see what the wild are gaining here except dumping Freddy.

Awesome couple of minutes late in the 3rd for Hartman…

Ripjiggen wrote:

1) Rossi + Boldy + Heidt for Tage Thompson & JJ Peterka (Buffalo needs to re-shuffle/shakeup their roster, this trade would absolutely do it. I think it’s more of an even trade than most think when they first look at it and the caphits are likely pretty even if not saves the Wild some $ allowing the Wild to add another big UFA this summer)

Why would buffalo want to make this trade? Just because they are Buffalo?

2) Rossi + Ohgren + Heidt + Gaudreau + 2025 2nd round draft pick for Matt Barzal (needs to be medically cleared) I know Barzal is the Islanders cornerstone player, but the Islanders are an aging team and needs to start a rebuild with a bare prospect pool, Barzal will just be wasted on that roster the next 6 years and Lou can fast track the rebuild with the Wild prospect package and Freddy gives them a good interim bottom 6 veteran player at a very low aav to play during their rebuild… 2 recent 1st and 2 recent 2nd round picks and a solid cheap veteran for 6 years of $9aav Barzal coming off a season long injury…

Nope. Don’t see what the wild are gaining here except dumping Freddy.

awesome post! Thanks for playing!