Doo you think our views and Joes are different if he was not from MN? Serious question?
Man I try my best not to get inside Joe’s head to see what he’s thinking. But probably/maybe would be different if Boeser wasn’t #oneofus. And my opinion is probably tainted from when he wore those disgusting green jerseys
Here’s some red meat for you guys. Does Kaprizov’s lengthy injury change Billy’s approach to his contract negotiations even slightly or is it still just throw money at him until he says yes? With all this teams injuries they are still winning. 6-4 in the last ten and a 3 game winning streak. This team has had every reason to fall off a cliff but they haven’t. Life with Kaprizov is good but are they proving life without him is survivable?
They have been in survival mode since their inception. I would like to get out of that mode and KK is one reason I think they can.
Doo you think our views and Joes are different if he was not from MN? Serious question?
I honestly could care less that he’s from MN, I do think it will help with contract negotiations as he’s said he would love to play at home to be closer to his mother, but I’m only high on him because I think he’s exactly the type of player we need and he’s attainable…I think we also need to reset what we think are “big bucks” for contracts moving forward, the last few years its felt like $8aav is a BIG contract (not superstar level, but big for most top 3 guys) I think were going to see alot of top 6 guys start to get around that aav moving forward…I don’t see how Boesser’s camp can ask for more than $8 per the stats mentioned earlier, but he’s going to get a raise over the $6.65 he’s making now…hopefully it could get negotiated to land around $7.5ish
Here’s some red meat for you guys. Does Kaprizov’s lengthy injury change Billy’s approach to his contract negotiations even slightly or is it still just throw money at him until he says yes? With all this teams injuries they are still winning. 6-4 in the last ten and a 3 game winning streak. This team has had every reason to fall off a cliff but they haven’t. Life with Kaprizov is good but are they proving life without him is survivable?
Russo and LaPanta are convinced these recent injuries only HELP the Wild to sign Kirill as it casts a small bit of doubt for other teams to throw money at him for 7 years of term that can compare with what the Wild can only offer on a 8 year term…Kirill’s agent might tell him to take the Wild money and sign this summer vs waiting a year+ and add the risk of further injuries…it makes alot of sense…
I think $8m is a good cutoff for what should be a top of the lineup player. Meaning on a good team they are a top line forward, top pairing D, or #1 goalie.
Aside from the first half of last season… I don’t think Brock Boeser is that guy.
Russo gets so wound up lol he was going off in their recent podcast about how the Kaprizov injury is killer to the Wild’s chances of making the playoffs. And then 2 minutes later saying how Vegas and Florida have an advantage because they can dip into LTIR at the deadline since Theodore and Tkachuk got hurt.
I don’t think Brock Boeser is that guy
but you put him on a line with Kirill opposite side and he most surely could be…
Agreed $8ish has been the top line bar for the non-top15ish superstars (Like a Reinhardt, Meier, Suzuki, Larkin, Tkachuk, etc) but that’s ONLY because they signed 1-3 years ago… when that same level player’s deal comes up now, they will all be asking for $10+, Boesser is a level below those guys, his likely starting asking price will be $8+, will he get that? who knows…
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
I don’t think Brock Boeser is that guybut you put him on a line with Kirill opposite side and he most surely could be…
After 8 NHL seasons he’s unfortunately still a lot closer to “Could Be” than “Is”
IMO if anyone in the league needs a fresh start and be closer to home its Boeser. Its been a very distracting couple years for him. With his dad’s health then death, trade rumors every year, etc. That no doubt weighs on someone.
Whether he could be a 40 goal guy again after only doing it once, IDK, probably not. Would he help this team? Probably. There are some guys that truly need to be waived and that starts with JoJo. Trading Merrill makes no sense to me. He doesnt cost much and he has been playing pretty well lately. He has his mental lapses for sure but IDK if we are getting anything better with a callup. I actually doubt we would and that is what we would have to do to replace him.
After 8 NHL seasons he’s unfortunately still a lot closer to “Could Be” than “Is”
yep, that’s fair…I just like his chances doing what he does best (shoot the puck) off of Kirill’s passes, especially being right handed…seems silly, but it’s hard to believe the Wild have never had a good RH shot besides 1 season of Dumba bombs…
Agreed $8ish has been the top line bar for the non-top15ish superstars (Like a Reinhardt, Meier, Suzuki, Larkin, Tkachuk, etc) but that’s ONLY because they signed 1-3 years ago… when that same level player’s deal comes up now, they will all be asking for $10+, Boesser is a level below those guys, his likely starting asking price will be $8+, will he get that? who knows…
I’m assuming those 5 guys all make $8m aav right now? Tkachuk Larkin and Reinhart are all way ahead of the other two and not at all what I meant by “top line player”. Tkachuk and Larkin best players on their team, leaders on Team USA, and Reinhart is top 5 in goals the last couple seasons while being good on D too.
With all the injuries, the last thing the Wild need to do is dump NHL players for nothing
Trading Merrill makes no sense to me. He doesnt cost much and he has been playing pretty well lately. He has his mental lapses for sure but IDK if we are getting anything better with a callup. I actually doubt we would and that is what we would have to do to replace him.
I only mentioned Merrill’s demotion as one of the few ways we could save SOME capspace (yes he would likely need a replacement during the regular season, not sure what’s Buium’s ELC looks like when he signs in April ($975k?)
BillyG could really be counting pennies to make a deal fit at the deadline…
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
Agreed $8ish has been the top line bar for the non-top15ish superstars (Like a Reinhardt, Meier, Suzuki, Larkin, Tkachuk, etc) but that’s ONLY because they signed 1-3 years ago… when that same level player’s deal comes up now, they will all be asking for $10+, Boesser is a level below those guys, his likely starting asking price will be $8+, will he get that? who knows…I’m assuming those 5 guys all make $8m aav right now? Tkachuk Larkin and Reinhart are all way ahead of the other two and not at all what I meant by “top line player”. Tkachuk and Larkin best players on their team, leaders on Team USA, and Reinhart is top 5 in goals the last couple seasons while being good on D too.
Yes, they are all leaders on their team and some of their top players, but they aren’t top 15 in the league (or whatever the number is) of players that got to the $10+aav level during the flat cap years… Barkov as one example is a level above Brady Tkachuk, Larkin and Reinhardt imo…Mathew Tkachuk I think signed a $9.5 deal? I know he’s considered near or at the top level of the league and puts up the points, but I personally can’t stand the pos… he’s probably replaced Marchand as the poster boy for its great when he’s on your team, but if he’s not, you want to take his head off…
I just said top line player, no idea where top 15 is coming from. There’s 5 players on a line and 30 teams in the league – I’m not saying 150 guys should be making $8m but top 15 isn’t even close to what I was getting at. Top 15 player is Kirill, and he’s looking at closer to double that $8m aav
Top line player probably looks like Timo Meier or Nick Suzuki right now
I just said top line player, no idea where top 15 is coming from. There’s 5 players on a line and 30 teams in the league – I’m not saying 150 guys should be making $8m but top 15 isn’t even close to what I was getting at.
Top line player probably looks like Timo Meier or Nick Suzuki right now
dude, all I said was the top line players signed in the past 1-3 years are typically in the $8aav +/- range, then the superstars of those top lines (Barkov, McDavid, MacKinnon, Pasta, Panarin, Kaprizov, Draisaitl, etc) are typically in the $10+ aav range… The next round of contracts signed by players below those top line guys will likely get close to that $8aav mark due to the cap rising…so while Boesser signed at $8aav doesn’t sound right, it will likely be close to the norm in the next 1-2 years…2nd lines for most teams will likely have close to an $8aav average in the next few years as 2nd/3rd contracts of top 6 players expire and they need new deals…
There’s a big disconnect in wording here but I think we mostly agree. I get there’s going to be a lot of guys making $8m aav, and said exactly that. I think Boeser will get in or close to that $8m range. I just don’t want it to be the Wild paying it
My opinion is his reputation is vastly greater than the player you actually get. His reputation is the guy who scored 30 goals the first half of last season, was a powerplay weapon, and didn’t do much for defense or transition or forchecking. His reality the rest of his career is a guy who scores 25 goals a season and doesn’t do much for defense or transition or forchecking.
I think Boeser will get in or close to that $8m range. I just don’t want it to be the Wild paying it
and who do you think we should pay in the $8 aav range that’s gettable, under 30 years old and doesn’t cost us a boatload of future assets or a Rossi/Yurov?
Don’t say Brock Nelson…
How long do we kick the can waiting for some perfect UFA to arrive? because if he’s indeed perfect, he aint hitting the UFA market…they all have a wart or two or in the rare case they don’t, they cost some crazy aav that throws your team’s economics into shambles (like a Panarin or Tavares)
I’m sorry I just don’t like Boeser as a Wild player. Didn’t realize I needed to present an equal or greater replacement in order to have that opinion. There’s 800 players in the league, do you want me to run through all of them?
Boeser gets brought up here all the time, I’m just not a fan
Boeser gets brought up here all the time, I’m just not a fan
Im not the biggest fan of his either. I tend to agree with whoever said it earlier, he seems to get brought up going to the Wild because he is one of us. Not necessarily by people here, but media, etc. I imagine he would love to play here. I just dont see it being a tremendous upgrade personally. Id probably rather have Nelson than him because he plays D and can win faceoffs. Im surprised Joe isnt a bigger supporter of that.
I agree I want the team to be active next summer, but not gonna pigeonhole them into signing a big $$ UFA forward. Maybe that’s the best play, or maybe it’s making a big trade. Maybe it’s a few smaller trades, and signing a big $$ UFA, who knows! Nashville won the offseason last summer with all their big names signed, they certainly didn’t kick the can 
Caps threw their roster into the blender last summer and no one had a clue what to expect from them, seems like it worked out though
Id probably rather have Nelson than him because he plays D and can win faceoffs. Im surprised Joe isnt a bigger supporter of that.
I just don’t like the idea of signing a 34 year old past his prime who plays a rugged game to a likely 4 year term with an aav around $8 with a full NMC when we already have a similar younger player in Ek signed for 4 more years…I’d rather sign a 28 year old Boesser in his prime that fits more needs of the team…again this is just knowing the big names on the likely UFA market, I agree trading would be better, but those options are basically limitless so where to start?
Rossi for Cozens? Sure I’d do that trade or try to nab Jack Quinn off Buffalo and see if he can gel again with Rossi, sure! We have a golden ticket in Rossi if we want to do something trade wise…
Never said I wanted to sign Nelson to a long term contract. Id be fine with a rental since we are suddenly more exposed at a position he can play.
Never said I wanted to sign Nelson to a long term contract. Id be fine with a rental since we are suddenly more exposed at a position he can play.
we’re in no position to pay the price needed for high value rentals, if we’re paying the high price to get them at the deadline, they will fully intend on re-signing them in the summer…
Love the idea of trading for one of the top Sabres forwards, that’s my pick.
O’reilly traded…cup
Eichel traded…cup
Reinhart traded…cup
Foolproof
Love the idea of trading for one of the top Sabres forwards, that’s my pick.
O’reilly traded…cup
Eichel traded…cup
Reinhart traded…cupFoolproof
I know he’s considered near or at the top level of the league and puts up the points, but I personally can’t stand the pos… he’s probably replaced Marchand as the poster boy for its great when he’s on your team, but if he’s not, you want to take his head off…
I don’t understand this comparison at all.
You said he is exactly what the wild need to help with secondary scoring, but then he is playing with Kaprizov? How is that helping the secondary scoring. The wild have never had a problem with their top line scoring with KK. Just about anyone they have put with him. Cough Hartman. Has had success scoring.
I know he’s considered near or at the top level of the league and puts up the points, but I personally can’t stand the pos… he’s probably replaced Marchand as the poster boy for its great when he’s on your team, but if he’s not, you want to take his head off…
I don’t understand this comparison at all.
Joe first you said he is exactly what the wild need to help with secondary scoring, but then he is playing with Kaprizov? How is that helping the secondary scoring. The wild have never had a problem with their top line scoring with KK. Just about anyone they have put with him. Cough Hartman. Has had success.
Zuccy and Kirill likely aren’t getting split up, so he would play 2nd line at least next season, then who knows, maybe Yurov moves, Boldy moves up, Brock moves up, that means somebody skilled is then moving down to the 2nd line…you play them all together until you find chemistry…They would probably figure out how to get him on the PP1 unit though as a RH shot…Hynes isn’t afraid to switch things up on a whim…
so a little more info on Ek’s injury came out, he apparently tweaked an existing injury (likely his knee injury from the last time he was out) and left practice…
Again, to be clear, JEEk didn’t suffer the injury actually in practice.
Per Hynes: “It just didn’t feel good after. He went through the whole practice and that’s why it’s crazy, some of these things.”
Dermott on waivers
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