2023 Vikings

  • gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17385
    #2219985

    Yeah sure didn’t work out last year doing same thing…

    Maybe I didn’t clarify because of the players I listed, but I was referring to all starters, not just offense. Mahto’s previous post beat me to it. New defensive coordinator, new defensive personnel, seems like a good idea to get them on the same page before week 1 in real game action.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11588
    #2219986

    Was everything not new last year?
    These guys practice harder and have joint practices faster than any preseason game.
    This weeks game both teams ran like 6 different offensive plays.
    Was as vanilla as you get.
    They saw way more real game action and looks at the joint practices.
    Preseason games are a joke and are just money grabs.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22781
    #2219995

    Im getting even more concerned about the lack of depth on the O Line. It is weird that the Vikings havent really played any of their starters on offense while other teams have. Perhaps its because some of them are older, but its a little weird dont you think? I mean, Mahomes has nothing to prove and he has played some.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17385
    #2219997

    Mahomes has nothing to prove and he has played some.

    That’s exactly what I’m getting at here. Its not about proving anything. Its about being prepared. Even the best QB in the league knows there’s an advantage to playing in a preseason game, even if its for a brief amount of time.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2219999

    You’re also seeing teams getting back to playing starters after thinking it was a good idea to not play them in the preseason and getting bit by it in the first few games last year. Even McVay played starters this preseason and he’s the guy that started the whole not playing any starters in the preseason strategy.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11588
    #2220015

    Must be why Maholmes has won the Super Bowl, because he plays 8 plays in the preseason.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2220031

    Nice cherry pick. We aren’t talking about the best QB in the league here. jester

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11588
    #2220035

    Yeah we are talking about if a few starters don’t play 8 meaningless snaps
    that it is a recipe for disaster week 1. toast

    Even though they did the same thing last year and it wasn’t disastrous.

    JEREMY
    BP
    Posts: 3902
    #2220037

    How could you expect a bunch of millionares to play in a preseason game now that the regular season is 17 games. 3, 4, 5, million a game what more could you expect from them.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11814
    #2220042

    idont disagree with what some ofyou guys are saying. i watched the first part of the Vikings game. the pregame show with Mark Rosen was more entertaining! whistling smash

    but not playing the staters…most every tean does it, so they all about start off the same real game #1,………..its all about injuries.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2220045

    Actually most teams this year are playing them. I’m mostly talking about the Vikings garbage defense. If it were me I’d want them to get as much work together as possible.

    Brittman
    Posts: 1944
    #2220125

    We will know soon enough.

    Vikings at home against the Bucs and then on the road just 4 days later against the Eagles. shock

    With two real games in 5 days to start the season, they need everyone healthy.

    Brittman
    Posts: 1944
    #2220127

    I also wonder if the practices with other teams is enough. Top talent is practicing. You can also run sets or plays without telling and showing the league your plans.

    Most pre-season games are vanilla D vs. vanilla O. No one wants to give away a thing …

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2220228

    With Baker Mayfield getting named the starter in TB I think the Vikings should have a good shot at winning game one.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11636
    #2221618

    Can’t say I love the week off before the season starts. But looking forward to the Vikes season, I expect a better team with a worse record. Guessing 10-11 wins and a division championship. Offense should be in the conversation with the best in the league in year 2, and there is just no way for the defense to be worse or even as bad as last year….I hope!!!

    NFC North I don’t get all the Lions love, maybe before injuries and gambling suspensions, but not after. Packers need a huge step up from the Run Game AND Defense, or Jordan Love becoming HOF #3 (ok maybe just above average) in a row for them to win the division, and I don’t see either of those happening. Bears should be vastly improved from worst in the league last year, but I’m not a Fields guy and I don’t see him making the jump as a passer NOR staying healthy running as much as last year.

    League wide the AFC is stacked with good to great teams, and I would be fine only watching them besides the Vikes games. In the NFC it’s the Eagles, maybe the 9ers, maybe, and then everyone else.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2221665

    I think I’m feeling the same way about this team as you Werm. The D just can’t get worse than it was.

    Because of the new system and aggressive style that Flores has, and all our younger, faster players we have now, I think there will be way more high impact plays made on the defensive side of the ball, but will still have some big mistakes.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2221804

    Hockenson has been extended. No details other than it will make him one of the highest paid TE’s in the league. Hope we don’t have to cut half our defense to sign JJ now…..

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22781
    #2221808

    Hockenson has been extended. No details other than it will make him one of the highest paid TE’s in the league. Hope we don’t have to cut half our TEAM to sign JJ now…..

    Fixed it for you.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22781
    #2221811

    I do hope they get it done prior to the season starting though.

    waldo9190
    Cloquet, MN
    Posts: 1121
    #2221813

    Right or wrong, this very well may signal a “moving on” plan from Kirk after this season. With TJ getting extended, having to extend the best receiver in the league, and needing to extend our LT of the future, they may be banking on that round 1 or 2 rookie QB contract over the next few years. On the positive side though, we have a pretty young defense with lots of rookie contracts over the next few years.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2221815

    I think it’s the opposite. I think they will have to resign Kirk. And many reports are saying the Vikings are thinking the same thing. You can’t have that many top level receiving threats and not have a qb. They aren’t going to be bad enough to get someone in the draft that will be anywhere near ready to start and the top of the free agent list after this season starts with Sam Darnold.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17385
    #2221816

    I agree with Mahto. Extend Cousins, just not long term. Its certainly better than throwing someone like Kellen Mond in there. We all know how that would go.

    Dan
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3784
    #2221835

    Very long way out but my hot take is that if Addison is good he won’t be here beyond his rookie contract. With all the money going to JJ, Hock, Cousins, maybe Hunter, I don’t see the Vikes being able to get him on a second contract if he’s worth more by that point. Obviously a lot can happen and I might as well be predicting the weather that year too. But they’re in such a weird spot with so much damn money tied to their offense already (once JJ is extended).

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11814
    #2221841

    i’d be more interested in seeing how Hunter pans out…….he’s been hurt an aweful lot lately…..personally i think th Vikings took a big risk money wise with him.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22781
    #2221842

    Too early to say that they wouldnt be able to sign Addison. The cap keeps going up and as we have all seen the cap is really a figment of our imagination anyway. They cook the books and make it work. I think if he is any good they find a way.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8169
    #2221853

    i’d be more interested in seeing how Hunter pans out…….he’s been hurt an aweful lot lately…..personally i think th Vikings took a big risk money wise with him.

    To me the Hunter $$$ is the most risky and maybe mismanaged of the contracts the Vikings currently hold. He doesn’t make that pass rush unit “elite” and comes with a lot of unknowns. I was shocked to see them not stick even more draft resources into the pass rush recently. The 49ers and Eagles have created phenomenal defenses by having depth that can get after the QB in the NFC.

    I think Cousins will get extended lessening the cap burden in association with Jefferson’s impending deal. If you have a bunch of nice weapons in a division you can easily win for years to come, they won’t roll the dice on a 23 or 24 year old trigger man and let Cousins walk. Regardless of what people say, JJ will get paid top money as a result of his output while playing with Cousins (Cousins didn’t make JJ, but he sure did more to help than most young cheap QBs would have). The Vikings signing TJ to me signals they are going to swing for the fences basically as assembled. They are going to have to really “hit” on an impact defensive player or two in the draft who can step in and bring stability at a cheap rate to push them beyond 1 and done in the playoffs though. I’d look for them to start accumulating a couple of “Day 2” qbs in the next couple drafts to see if they can strike gold while currently being a playoff team and minimizing rebuilding talks.

    It’s way too early to discuss Addison beyond his rookie contract. The guy hasn’t caught a regular season pass. He could be a pro bowler, he could be on another team’s practice squad in a few years. I don’t think the front office is assembling the dominoes that far in advance either. The NFC North is wide open and the Vikings could control it for a few more years with relative ease as assembled.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2221856

    4 years, $66 million for Hockenson. shock

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11636
    #2221862

    i’d be more interested in seeing how Hunter pans out…….he’s been hurt an aweful lot lately…..personally i think th Vikings took a big risk money wise with him.

    Hunter is on a one year deal, so really no risk beyond this year. His contract this year is very reasonable as well, at about 8th on the defensive line list with a few guys soon to top him (Bosa in particular). And I used to think he was often injured, but he really hasn’t been. He was hurt in 2021, but has played in every game outside of that.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11636
    #2221864

    My hot take is they shouldn’t sign JJ to a new record setting contract. WR’s are trending toward RB’s where the supply of good serviceable guys is outpacing the money they are making and the Vikings would be better served spending that money elsewhere, particularly on both sides of the line. This has little to do with JJ’s talent, which is unquestionably top of the league, but more a financial decision.

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