2023 Vikings

Ripjiggen wrote:

Unfortunately I don’t think will get in the top ten even with Hall at the helm.

youre not wrong

it is going to be difficult to outsuck Chicago and GB but it appears a top 10 pick is imminent.

And the giants panthers cardinals patriots. Their is a lot of crappy teams this year.

mahtofire14 wrote:

So you would rather try and barely make the playoffs than set the team up with a top ten pick and actually have a shot at getting Cousins’ successor?

Yes, I’d rather try and make the playoffs with a veteran and take a chip, chair and a chance than run Mullins/Mannion out there and barely miss the playoffs. I look at it more as try and make the playoffs with a decent vet, or barely miss them with Mullins/Mannion. So I’d rank them option 1: get a competent vet, try and make the playoffs and see what happens. Option 2: Run the rookie Hall out and either catch lightening in bottle, or more likely end up in the top 10. Option 3: Mullins/Mannion who are just good enough to win another 2-4 games putting us outside the top of the draft and out of the playoffs.

The reality with their schedule, competent defense and OL, and how many bad teams there are this year, they are already unlikely to end up in the top 10 of the draft unless they lose almost every game from here on out.

I will play devil’s advocate. I do not necessarily … agree with this strategy … but it has to be put out there.

Jefferson should be able to pull a top draft pick- for the Vikings (maybe more than one #1). Jefferson may be going “Diggsy” on the Vikes – we will see. Makes no sense to have the highest-paid receiver and one of the highest-paid non-QBs on a team that will press restart or start over on a QB.

Addison is excellent and shows he can play without Jefferson on the field. Powell plays well and is stepping up. Osborn showed he was on the field yesterday.

Tom Brady (6th Rd)
Russell Wilson (3rd Rd)
Kirk Cousins (4th Rd)
Jimmy Garoppolo (2nd Rd)
Derek Carr (2nd Rd)

Purdy – last pick in the draft.

Ripjiggen wrote:

And the giants panthers cardinals patriots. There is a lot of crappy teams this year.

Don’t all these teams have a 1st round QB drafted in the last few years ?

What is this list supposed to represent?

Brittman wrote:

Don’t all these teams have a 1st round QB drafted in the last few years ?

IMO this is what made Kirk so valuable over the years. For far too long fans have been saying “just draft us a new QB.” Out of the top 5 QB’s taken in every class, maybe 2 of them stay on as decent long-term starters for their team. Kirk was always a known commodity getting the job done. More expensive than a top pick on a rookie deal, sure, but there’s no magic guarantee to those 1st-round picks.

That every now and then a successful qb isn’t a first rounder.

For the record, and this shouldn’t be a surprise, I want them to resign Kirk. I think they could actually get him for a solid bargain after the injury and if he really means what he says about wanted to retire here I think he’d take it. I just want them to be able to get a higher first round pick to draft if that doesn’t work out or to have someone for him to teach.

14 Teams have fewer wins than the Vikings right now: Raiders, Broncos, Patriots, Titans, Colts, Texans, Commanders, Giants, Cardinals, Rams, Packers, Bears, Bucs and Panthers.

5 of those Teams would not interested in a QB in the next draft imo: Broncos, Titans, Colts, Texans, Panthers.

And there is the rub for tanking, even doing so will likely require an expensive trade up, albeit less expensive the further up the draft the Vikes are.

mahtofire14 wrote:

That every now and then a successful qb isn’t a first rounder.

Well then that list should have stopped after Kirk.

mahtofire14 wrote:

I want them to resign Kirk. I think they could actually get him for a solid bargain after the injury and if he really means what he says about wanted to retire here I think he’d take it.

I think as soon as he’s wheeled to his recovery room the Wilfs should be there inquiring about a new contract. He will have a ton of leverage if A) the Vikes don’t finish that well as a team and/or B) Hall himself, through his half-season tryout, shows that he’ll never be a starter. At the point the Vikes might be drafting in the late teens with no viable starting quarterback for next year

Agree. Brady and Wilson are two pretty good exceptions though.

Marino was 27th pick. Brees early 2nd round. Can be done.

So trade Jefferson, Hunter, and combine with Vikings own #1. Parley to first overall pick in 2024 draft??????????

Kirk’s contract was $35 million guaranteed. Why would he come back?

Packers apparently have an Achilles curse. VooDoo princess on their staff?

So 4 QB’s in that last 40 years.

I think you are playing fantasy football with your trade proposal.

The Vikings aren’t going to spend the capital to “move up” to get Drake Maye or Caleb Williams.

The odds are they end up picking somewhere in the 10-15 slots. They’d have to give up a ransom to move higher. Hunter barely moves the needle to go higher when talking 1st round picks in the NFL. He’s probably worth a 3rd rounder. I see them staying put and going DL in the first round with QB Day 2 and resigning Kirk again. If Michael Penix JR is available, they could take him too. He’s won everywhere he’s went and could be a good fit.

For reference, the Texans moved from 12th to 3rd in the most recent draft. To do so, it cost them:

-#33 overall pick this year
-1st round pick in 2024
-3rd round pick in 2024.

So the Vikings would comparably have to give up a minimum of a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder to get into the conversation IF they finish with somewhere around the 10th pick. That still would likely only get them to the 3-5th spot in the draft and the #2 overall QB in the class (which is still a crapshoot). All those picks would be a huge part of rebuilding that defense and adding offensive depth. I don’t see the value there. If that young QB wouldn’t come along in a hurry…you’re then staring at a disgruntled JJ who tests free agency.

If I’m a Vikings fan, I’d pray that Cousins heals fast and resign him 2 years on a hopefully team friendly contract. Cousins game was not built in the least bit on mobility. I’d not be shocked to see him back as the same exact player he was this year. Let JJ reset the WR market and plaster his face on every billboard in the Midwest and all over the stadium with his big contract. Teams wait decades for a talent like him. They’d retain a nice first round pick to hopefully plug and play a starter this year from round 1 and maybe round 2 too. Swing on a QB in round 2/3/4 if Hall doesn’t look like anything in the next few weeks.

Latest scuttle butt has New Orleans QB Jameis Winston being traded to the Vikings.

I don’t like it.
Unless they’re giving a very late round pick for him. Don’t imagine we get him for nothing or maybe we should and just take on his contract?

Jameis is a turnover magnet. If kwesi brings him in he needs to be fired

haleysgold wrote:

Latest scuttle butt has New Orleans QB Jameis Winston being traded to the Vikings.

I don’t like it.
Unless they’re giving a very late round pick for him. Don’t imagine we get him for nothing or maybe we should and just take on his contract?

He can’t play and everybody knows it.

I don’t think there are many options that can play.

If they want to go the draft a QB route next year, they should trade JJ. The Chiefs got an end of RD1 pick, Rd 2, 2 4th rounders and a 6th for Tyreek. Kwesi should be able to find a similar or better deal, since JJ is younger with less off field issues. That would enable them to move up for whatever QB they wanted, help solidify other areas of need, and probably most importantly get Darrisaw, Hunter, Wonnum, Cleveland or whoever else they want to keep around resigned.

The math just doesn’t work to keep Darrisaw, JJ, Hock, and Kirk, or even 3 of the 4 at near top of the market contracts. And nothing about Kirk tells me he’s taking a huge discount to stay here, he likes winning at the business side of football. And he has won big time.

BigWerm wrote:

If they want to go the draft a QB route next year, they should trade JJ. The Chiefs got an end of RD1 pick, Rd 2, 2 4th rounders and a 6th for Tyreek. Kwesi should be able to find a similar or better deal, since JJ is younger with less off field issues. That would enable them to move up for whatever QB they wanted, help solidify other areas of need, and probably most importantly get Darrisaw, Hunter, Wonnum, Cleveland or whoever else they want to keep around resigned.

The math just doesn’t work to keep Darrisaw, JJ, Hock, and Kirk, or even 3 of the 4 at near top of the market contracts. And nothing about Kirk tells me he’s taking a huge discount to stay here, he likes winning at the business side of football. And he has won big time.

Kirk is currently the 15th highest paid QB in football. The narrative that he’s overpaid or has taken the Vikings to the cleaners financially is far from the truth. His contract is actually a net positive when taking into account that he’s clearly better than the 15th QB in the league.

Exactly guys that are making more and some far more. Russel Wilson Derek Carr Kyler Murray Deshaun Watson Daniel Jones….woof

In Jaren Hall I trust. This kid went to BYU so he is not a bonehead. If he can throw forward while extending plays, he will be just fine. I will judge him after 4 games. Honestly get him some experience and see what happens.

as far as tanking goes, that will not fly in todays NFL. coaches have their jobs on the line and you know BFlo won’t let players take plays off.

If I am Kwesi, I am working the phones to move Hunter ASAP at this point tho. He should be able to get a 3rd round pick or better in the 24 draft.

BigWerm wrote:

If they want to go the draft a QB route next year, they should trade JJ. The Chiefs got an end of RD1 pick, Rd 2, 2 4th rounders and a 6th for Tyreek. Kwesi should be able to find a similar or better deal, since JJ is younger with less off field issues. That would enable them to move up for whatever QB they wanted, help solidify other areas of need, and probably most importantly get Darrisaw, Hunter, Wonnum, Cleveland or whoever else they want to keep around resigned.

The math just doesn’t work to keep Darrisaw, JJ, Hock, and Kirk, or even 3 of the 4 at near top of the market contracts. And nothing about Kirk tells me he’s taking a huge discount to stay here, he likes winning at the business side of football. And he has won big time.

they have the best capologist in the entire NFL and Rob always finds a way to fit all the numbers together and makes it work. i don’t know how he does it but that is why he is the best.

Kirk will be back unless the BYU kid has something to say about it.

I hope they roll with Hall. I really don’t think they will do anything with Mullens or Mannion.

If Hall doesn’t pan out, at least you know. Thinking and hoping Cousins would take a pay cut to come back and retire with Vikings at a reduced salary. Draft Drake Maye to sit behind him.

Lindy that’s exactly it about Hall. Fans always say “we’d like to know what we have” with certain young players to know if we want him around or if he proves he’s not made for the league.

If Kwesi picks up Winston because he’s JJ’s guy. and good luck, Winston is a head case and underachiever.

eyeguy507 wrote:

In Jaren Hall I trust. This kid went to BYU so he is not a bonehead. If he can throw forward while extending plays, he will be just fine. I will judge him after 4 games. Honestly get him some experience and see what happens.

as far as tanking goes, that will not fly in todays NFL. coaches have their jobs on the line and you know BFlo won’t let players take plays off.

If I am Kwesi, I am working the phones to move Hunter ASAP at this point tho. He should be able to get a 3rd round pick or better in the 24 draft.

I wouldn’t say I trust Hall, yet. There are going to be a lot of bonehead mistakes and bad decisions during his “tryout” period, which will be expected.

I agree on the tanking thing. I don’t know why anyone still thinks an NFL team (or any pro team for that matter) should purposefully tank games to get a higher draft position. Players and coaches don’t tank games on purpose. If they do, they get removed.

I think Hunter is at or near the league lead in sacks so far. Removing him would not be a great idea right now.

They still need to sign a back up QB for Sunday. Hall is the only healthy QB on the active roster. My vote is for Colt McCoy.

eyeguy507 wrote:

they have the best capologist in the entire NFL and Rob always finds a way to fit all the numbers together and makes it work. i don’t know how he does it but that is why he is the best.

Agreed, but a lot of those moves in deferring money are why they eventually had to let a lot of guys go. Darrisaw is going to make about $25m/per year, JJ will make $30M+/per year, Hunter will be about $30m/per year and Kirk will get $50M/per year. Salary cap for next year will be around $256m, so about 53% tied up in those 4 guys is not feasible regardless of how they play around with the money.

gimruis wrote:

They still need to sign a back up QB for Sunday. Hall is the only healthy QB on the active roster.

No, they don’t, they resigned Sean Mannion to the practice squad a week or two ago and I’d anticipate he’s the backup this weekend regardless if they add someone or not. I like McCoy though, and would support them bringing him on.