i’m not real sure about this tanking thing……..there are players getting paid pretty darn good, if i was and owner and a player not performing…..they’d be unemployed. and every player plays for the betterment of there next contract!!!!!
just my opinion though!!!!!
They are not finishing with the worst record in football so Caleb is a pipe dream either way.
I’m not even on that side. I hope they keep Kirk and use their draft picks to sure up the defense. The best defense is a good offense only takes you so far. Prime example is the Twins, finally some decent pitching, and it’s by no coincidence that they are actually winning in the playoffs.
Gimruis, I never said they did it on purpose. I said they have tanked this season. Definition of Tank, to fail, and they have failed in my opinion. Nothing in there about intentionally failing.
Yeah tanking is a concept people always talk about but has very little applicability, and it’s mostly in the hands of those above the head coach’s level. KOC and Kwesi both have 5-year contracts I believe so there’s a little urgency from Day 1 to do well. Player effort level varies and of course you’re not going to get the effort out of some guys on losing teams. But if guys know they’re gone next year they need good things on film, so they can’t really mail it in.
One thing a team can do is really nurse injuries. JJ for example-if management and ownership want to sort of tank, they know it’s somewhat of a lost season so there’s no urgency to get JJ back on the field. Instead of putting him out there at 70-80%, you just let him take his time and feel 100% before you do anything. For a multi-sport parallel, look at Royce Lewis with the Twins. Soft tissue injury but because of the urgency he’s literally playing in a status of “hit the ball real hard but don’t run hard anywhere.”
The other thing management can do is either be sellers in the trade market or just not try and fill obvious holes, the latter being something I’ll assume they do.
When someone says a team is tanking it is certainly implying they are doing it intentionally. What the vikings are doing is underperforming and losing simple as that.
I hope the coaches see the writing on the wall and just tank.
But at some point you just have to realize they won’t be going anywhere this season, and look towards next year.
This sure looks like you think they should tank the season to me. That’s what this current conversation is all about.
When someone says a team is tanking it is certainly implying they are doing it intentionally.
Exactly what I am referring to here.
Gim with the receipts.
Now JJ on IR. Just what the Down and Out need. More Down and More out. He’s been about the only bright spot on this team. Also have him on my FF team. Not that it really matters. Just like the Vikings, I’m 1-4 and near the bottom of the league. Unlike the Vikings, my Fantasy football team still has a shot at making the playoffs. It may be a long shot – But still a shot.
The only way the Vikings *could* tank is by sitting Kirk down, and he is on a one year deal and looking to cash in this offseason, so that will not happen.
Personally I think they are playing pretty well overall, but still making a few vital mistakes that cost them the game. Oliver’s Fumble, Bynum’s missed timed jump for an INT on 3rd and 18, and TJ/KJ/Mattison all with multiple big drops. If any one of those go the other way, Vikes beat the Chiefs, if all of them do Vikes win by 10+. And that is regardless of the refs, who were REAL suspect again.
Apparently, PFF (which I think is junk in general) has the Vikings as 7th best team overall in the NFL. 
The one drop by Mattison when it was 27-20 deep in Chiefs territory would have certainly been a first down if not a TD. He single handedly has cost us multiple games.
I was fine with them releasing Cook back this summer. Right now its looking like its turning out OK. Mattison has 276 Yards rushing with 0 Td’s and 76 Yards receiving with 2 TD’s. Cook has only 97 yards rushing and 44 yards receiving and 0 Total TD’s. Its crazy how far Cook has fallen. He’s a backup now and sharing carries with a few other backups.
The Vikings are 1-4 and just put Jefferson on IR. Would like to know what some of you guys are smoking thinking the Vikings have any chance to contend this year.
Been a lifelong Vikings fan but at some point you have to realize the best thing they could do is trade away most of their valuable pieces and start over. Full rebuild from the ground up. It will suck for a few years but honestly won’t be any worse than the mediocrity and early playoff exits.
Don’t think anyone has said they are contenders.
They are not trading JJ so not sure if these other assets you are referring to are tradable assets.
You are keeping your tackles as finding good ones in the draft would just take longer.
Hock just signed.
They already started rebuilding on D. Look at the defensive back room. Virtually all new pieces at corner. New starting linebacker and a defensive line that are virtually young guys or guys in 1 year deals.
Did anyone really think they were a “contender” last year when they went 13-4? I certainly didn’t. None of the national analysts did either. It was obviously an entertaining season and it shortened my life span watching it, but anyone with minimal knowledge of the sport could see that they were eeking by in all those close games. And then when they played a really good team, they got destroyed. I don’t see this season really any different than last year, other than their record. They could easily be 5-0 right now if the turnover margin wasn’t the worst in the league.
The Vikings are 1-4 and just put Jefferson on IR. Would like to know what some of you guys are smoking thinking the Vikings have any chance to contend this year.
Been a lifelong Vikings fan but at some point you have to realize the best thing they could do is trade away most of their valuable pieces and start over. Full rebuild from the ground up. It will suck for a few years but honestly won’t be any worse than the mediocrity and early playoff exits.
Football is a fickle game. A few key injuries may tank a contender’s chances or light a fire and bring a team together like the Packer’s last Super Bowl Championship. They had injuries all over the place and ran the gauntlet from the wild card.
That is why you have to let the string play out and see what happens. It’s nice to be confident in your team, but confidence doesn’t ensure wins any more than a lack of confidence ensures losses. This game is full of surprises.
Shifty Schefter just tweeted questioning why JJ would even come back this season, or at least right away if the team hasn’t won games. He could reset the market, be 100% healthy, and sign with a top 10 team in the league to start next season.
The Vikings brain trust in the front office has to be kicking themselves for not aggressively pursuing a contract with JJ, even if it was an absurd amount. The cap is projected to keep growing, and a lengthy contract with guaranteed money would have looked better with each passing year. Now they could be legitimately forced into a tear-down whether they like it or not.
The Vikings next 6 games could very easily determine whether or not JJ is back in a purple uniform next year. If they win 4 or more I think all the talk will be for not with him and Kirk running it back again next year. If they go .500 or less over the next 6, I’d hold off on buying those 18 jerseys as Christmas gifts… 
Just another chapter in the sick world it is to be a Vikings fan.
The Vikings control his future no matter what JJ may want to do. All these conspiracy theories are just stupid and Shefter is the King of Clicks. They could franchise him 2 years in a row and nothing he could do about it, but sit out which he wouldnt do.
Um he’s not a FA next year sorry…
They already picked up his 5th year option.
Sounds like trying to make smoke where there is no fire.
What a dumb story.
He is going to reset the WR market reguardless.
Their was no urgency to get the deal done this off season for a reason.
Um he’s not a FA next year sorry…
They already picked up his 5th year option.
Sounds like trying to make smoke where there is no fire.
What a dumb story.
He is going to reset the WR market reguardless.
Exactly and then fans who dont pay attention just go in full panic mode.
The fact that an NFL reporter says he can sign with any team as a FA next year should have been a dead give away.
Did he follow it up with the Packers were interested and projected to be a top 10 team next year or if Trevor Lawrence is going to walk into FA and sign with a top 10 team?
Such a dumb tweet.
Shifty Schefter just tweeted questioning why JJ would even come back this season, or at least right away if the team hasn’t won games. He could reset the market, be 100% healthy, and sign with a top 10 team in the league to start next season.
Unless Schefter deleted the Tweet, he said nothing even remotely like that. And as others have pointed out, if he did it would be factually incorrect. He’s under contract for next season, and if he chose to sit this season and next he would be almost 2 years removed from football and would be lucky to get the record contract everyone says he’s looking for.
We’ve got an awful season going on and a lot of questions to answer for the future, and likely a lot of roster turnover. Hopefully that doesn’t create a cloud over the JJ situation. He’s got potential to be the best in the league for years and he’s done a lot of things off the field and in the locker room well. He says a lot of the right things in interviews and his teammates seem to like him. When his contract was a major story in training camp he didn’t seem to say much and “inside” word was that he was ok with not getting an extension done. Lately word has come out that he turned a major extension down that would’ve paid him a lot of money and it primarily had to do with the uncertainty at the QB position.
Whether you like Kirk or not, there are very few better options to have the ball thrown to you than Cousins. A year ago people may have said “well Rogers for sure, Brady if he’s still playing, maybe even Dak.” Rogers may not be back, Brady looks like he’s sticking with retirement, and Dak is who what a lot of people thought he was. Caleb Williams and Drake May? They’re awesome college QB’s and I don’t care how smart you or anyone think you are, drafting those top college QB’s produces inconsistent results and often teams get it wrong. Kirk is a known commodity and Williams and Maye can only hope to get there. JJ seems to want a known commodity. What if he gets a huge contract and is asked to be a part of working with a 1st-round QB and that QB is someone like Zack Wilson, Mac Jones, etc.
All this discussion topic is coming from people other than JJ unless I’m missing something. It’s other people saying “why would he play this year, maybe even next year?” Gives them all something to talk about. He’s been nothing but great for this team and I’m hoping the fabricated speculation from folks other than him doesn’t make him look worse than it should.
I don’t think there is a question in my mind that they’ll be taking a QB in the first round in 2024.
It might be the best QB class in years, even decades..
It might be the best QB class in years, even decades..
I agree, but there are rumors swirling that some of them may not come out depending what the draft order looks like.
The Vikings would be fools not to draft a QB in the first round. But I wouldn’t put it past them.
Even if you sign Kirk another year, you need a plan for the future.
In all honesty if one of the top QBs isnt there when the vikes draft in Round 1 I think they should go after either O line or D Line. Those are the other biggest needs, but always need secondary help but you can get that later too. Depends if there are some big hosses in the first round they should go after or not.
In all honesty if one of the top QBs isnt there when the vikes draft in Round 1 I think they should go after either O line or D Line. Those are the other biggest needs, but always need secondary help but you can get that later too. Depends if there are some big hosses in the first round they should go after or not.
LOL! No disrespect, but they haven’t drafted a DL in the first round in 15 years…they don’t believe in building the trenches on the D. Simple fact..
The Vikings would be fools not to draft a QB in the first round. But I wouldn’t put it past them.
Even if you sign Kirk another year, you need a plan for the future.
If we wind up with a top 5 pick it is definitely still not a guarantee. My absolute NIGHTMARE would be Kwesi trading back with some “we didn’t see the talent at our draft position” type excuse.
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