<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Pitter patter wrote:</div>
The fans they have left should just cheer for the packers like the rest of MinnesotaI’d attend a TIMBERWOLVES or soccer game first.
How about a Bears game? Tickets available
We’ve been bitten by being competitive for too long and not having any really solid draft picks in the top 10 or even top 5. This team needs to re-stock the cupboards, and I honestly believe the best thing for this roster in the long run would be a year or two losing 13+ games and drafting in the top 5.
Very true statement for all NFL teams. Picking in later half of the first round year after year, means you have to find good players in the later rounds. KC is an exception, but that is because of Mahomes. Any other team trading their top wideout, usually don’t make and win the SB that year. If you could get what Seattle or theLions got for trading their QB’s it would be a no-brainer to trade Cousins. But other than the Jets who would trade for him and give up anything in return? The Jets can’t trade their #1 pick next year since that is still tied up from last years trade for Rodgers. So unless they make a deal with the Pack they can’t trade their #1 pick, and their 2nd round pick is also gone. After the season I don’t know they want another high priced QB hoping Rodgers plays next year.
Gim – Have you watched the games?
How long before Cousins gets hurt? The O-line can’t hold anybody back. He’s already been hit more than any other QB in the league. Just a matter of time and then what? Mullens?
Have you seen the stats on the D? Good grief they are bad with Hunter being the exception. They can’t stop any offense.
Maybe Waldo phrased it better for you?
I’ve watched all 3 games from beginning to end.
You’re right, Cousins gets hit a lot. That isn’t anything new. He was hit more than any other QB in the entire league last year and had 9 come-from-behind 4th quarter wins. He hasn’t missed a single game in his career due to injury (he missed one game in covid protocol 2 years ago). He’s shown that he can take hits and keep playing at the same level because of his durability.
The defense is bad. It was bad last year. And the year before.
Tanking on purpose so you can get higher draft picks is a rotten way to try and win. It requires that you become a terrible, non-competitive team for years so you can stock pile draft picks and capital. And even then, it might not work out. Is that what you really want to do? Tank on purpose? Professional athletes don’t think or operate that way and if they are, they should be removed from their roster spot.
I would take a playoff berth and/or a division win every season over being terrible. Even if it means you never win the super bowl. Being consistently competitive in the NFL year after year is very difficult because of the parity. If you are making the playoffs regularly, you have a chance to win the super bowl. If you win 4 games every year, you have ZERO chance to win the super bowl.
The Jets can’t trade their #1 pick next year since that is still tied up from last years trade for Rodgers. So unless they make a deal with the Pack they can’t trade their #1 pick, and their 2nd round pick is also gone. After the season I don’t know they want another high priced QB hoping Rodgers plays next year.
Because Rodgers wont be able to play likely all season that 1st round pick the packers would have gotten becomes a second.
I just read a stat that since Cousins was drafted 113 quarterbacks have been drafted. Only 1 of those QBs has won a SB. Mahomes.
The Vikings are who we thought they were. The Vikings !!!! Every year they build up our hopes and then then let us down. This year they may have just started the Lets us down part much earlier than normal. Just like I didn’t think they were as good of a team as their 13-4 record showed last year, I don’t think they are as bad of a team as their 0-3 record so far this year shows. Last year they over achieved. So far this year they under achieved. They have dug themselves a big hole this year. I just don’t think they have the quality of players needed to dig themselves out of it. The experts had the Vikings wins over/under set at 8.5 this season. Right now I think they are likely to be real close. My preseason prediction to my friends was 9 wins. Right now I’m thinking that may be a game or so high.
Either guys are going to [fix] it or we’re going to have to put other guys in the game that have ball security.”
I have no problem with this. If Bud Grant was still coaching this team. those players who have fumbled would already be sitting on the bench. At the same time I’d add ” if the coaching isn’t fixed this week, they should find a replacement coach that has a better coaching IQ ” I have not been real impressed with the coaching job this season either.
what other head coach type is out there and available?????
I just read a stat that since Cousins was drafted 113 quarterbacks have been drafted. Only 1 of those QBs has won a SB. Mahomes.
There must have been some specific wording on that. Russell Wilson and Nick Foles were in the same draft as Cousins and both selected higher. Other than them then yeah, that’s a true stat.
PJ?
Bud Grant would not even get hired in todays NFL.
We’ve been bitten by being competitive for too long and not having any really solid draft picks in the top 10 or even top 5.
I think this could definitely be an underlying factor for roster building. Yes, of course, roster building, specifically drafting, is imperfect for EVERY team, meaning they nailed it with JJ and some others. But being near the top 2 in the division and drafting 15 or later for as long as I can remember probably hasn’t helped them long term. I think sometimes people forget to how with, say pick 18, they’re picking that far down every single round.
Makes me think twice about how the Wilfs refer to going through “competitive rebuild.” I agree with others that it just doesn’t seem right to outright “tank.” The Vikes and Wild both always seem to be competitive enough that they end up hovering around .500 and picking middle of the pack or worse.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Tlazer wrote:</div>
The Jets can’t trade their #1 pick next year since that is still tied up from last years trade for Rodgers. So unless they make a deal with the Pack they can’t trade their #1 pick, and their 2nd round pick is also gone. After the season I don’t know they want another high priced QB hoping Rodgers plays next year.Because Rodgers wont be able to play likely all season that 1st round pick the packers would have gotten becomes a second.
both the 1 and the 2 are frozen until the season ends. So the jets have nothing to offer for cousins right now. They will have to go forward with Wilson or the trevor siemian (probably misspelled that) who they just picked up.
Totally perplexing calls in the last 4 minutes or so of that game. Can’t believe the Chargers went for it on 4th down in that position…
Then we run an RPO and almost fumble the handoff, hated that run with no timeouts.
Terrible clock management after the last first down, which is a hallmark of the Vikings for years.
And then our goal-to-go playcalling/design is just atrocious. If I have to watch our RB run straight up the middle and lose 1/2-3 yards another time…We burn a play with an inside run on every set of downs near the goal line and It. Never. Works. Try to get outside the tackles or run something deceptive or something. But as it stands, we really only have 2 downs to work with as we just waste a play running it up the middle when they’ve obviously stacked the box on defense. You think Bradbury/Ingram/Cleveland are going to win that battle against ANY D-line in the league? C’mon, know the personnel you’re working with.
On that note, how come our pass play design seems to be either a slow developing 20+ yard throw to JJ that sees Kirk get absolutely brutalized, or a dump off to Mattison/Hockenson?
Do you see what the Chargers did when we blitzed(like every play), they had short and intermediate routes to guys like Allen and just ate up the clock and yards. Are you telling me JJ/Hock/Addison/Osborn couldn’t run similar plays? Sick of seeing Cousins just get absolutely wrecked every game.
I think it’s hilarious every one wanting to trade everyone for picks so that our GM and scouts can waste all those picks with their awful talent evaluating. I don’t know about you all but I sure as hell don’t want this regime making all those picks after having the two worst graded drafts in the last two seasons.
If you trade Cousins, JJ signs somewhere else or if he does sign, you’ll end up trading another unhappy version of him a year or two later.
There must have been some specific wording on that. Russell Wilson and Nick Foles were in the same draft as Cousins and both selected higher. Other than them then yeah, that’s a true stat.
Yeah its the part where it says “since Cousins was drafted”.
both the 1 and the 2 are frozen until the season ends. So the jets have nothing to offer for cousins right now. They will have to go forward with Wilson or the trevor siemian (probably misspelled that) who they just picked up.
The Jets arent trading for Cousins and he has a no trade clause. I was just pointing out the fact that since Rodgers isnt going to meet the games played etc that 1st round turned into a 2nd round pick. ANyone who thinks the Vikings would consider trading Cousins is on something I would like them to pass to me.
Tanking on purpose so you can get higher draft picks is a rotten way to try and win. It requires that you become a terrible, non-competitive team for years so you can stock pile draft picks and capital. And even then, it might not work out. Is that what you really want to do? Tank on purpose? Professional athletes don’t think or operate that way and if they are, they should be removed from their roster spot.
Don’t disagree with this, and this is why being in the purgatory of middle of the road is a very hard place to get out of.
I would take a playoff berth and/or a division win every season over being terrible. Even if it means you never win the super bowl. Being consistently competitive in the NFL year after year is very difficult because of the parity. If you are making the playoffs regularly, you have a chance to win the super bowl. If you win 4 games every year, you have ZERO chance to win the super bowl.
Now THIS, I 1000% disagree with. I’ve seen enough of years of “best of the lousiest, lousiest of the best” to know that I’m pretty much over it.
I don’t remember the last time we made the playoffs and the overarching opinion was that we were legitimate contenders. 2017? Maybe. Probably 2009. One legit shot every 14 years isn’t cutting it.
We would have won the Superbowl in 2009 if the Saints werent cheap monkeybutts. No doubt about it. Same goes for 1998 if Anderson made that FG. 2017, Im not so sure.
I don’t remember the last time we made the playoffs and the overarching opinion was that we were legitimate contenders. 2017? Maybe. Probably 2009. One legit shot every 14 years isn’t cutting it.
I agree, its not cutting it. If you take a look at some of the more recent dominant super caliber teams, what is the most common theme with those teams? I would say a generational HOF quarterback, combined with a roster that is serviceable.
When have the Vikings had one of these generational QB talents? You could argue, never. Brett Favre was at the end of his career even if he has his best statistical season in purple.
Drafting or finding one of these is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Plus we’ve tried it how many times and failed recently with Ponder and Mond. You don’t keep going back to the well when the well is dry.
But go ahead, tank the season 3 games in, sell all your assets for draft picks. Trade Cousins who’s leading the league in passing. Then we’ll really see how bad it will get. Bears 2.0
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>waldo9190 wrote:</div>
I don’t remember the last time we made the playoffs and the overarching opinion was that we were legitimate contenders. 2017? Maybe. Probably 2009. One legit shot every 14 years isn’t cutting it.Drafting or finding one of these is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Plus we’ve tried it how many times and failed recently with Ponder and Mond. You don’t keep going back to the well when the well is dry.
Well your options for finding that generational/franchise QB are A) Draft or B) Free agency. IF (hypothetically) Kirk ain’t it, who else in free agency would/could we bring in to be that next franchise QB? And on top of that, anyone worth their salt is going to be paid $45+ million/year.
Neither Ponder or Mond should have been drafted where they were. Those were both BIG blunders by Spielman, but does that mean we never attempt to draft a top QB ever again? No, it doesn’t. Top tier QBs don’t hit the FA market very often, and IMO it’s easier to justify paying that to the QB developed within, because you potentially would have your QB solution set for the next 10 to 15 years.
Look at the current crop of top tier or up and coming QBs
Mahomes – Drafted by KC
Allen – Drafted by Buffalo
Burrow – Drafted by Cincy
Tua – Drafted by Miami
Herbert – Drafted by LA
Hurts – Drafted by Philly
Even San Fran cut bait when they realized Trey Lance wasn’t the solution in favor of Purdy.
The last time teams saw success bringing in a FA QB and making a run was Brady in Tampa and Manning in Denver. Both of those teams had legit defenses as well, which is another thing we don’t have.
Waldo beat me to it.
Each of the best 5 teams in the league have QBs that they drafted and developed themselves.
I like Cousins but the Vikings are SO far away from Super Bowl contention it will never happen.
Pains me to say it but I’d rather have J.Love and be in the Packers situation rather than the Vikings. They have talented young players at the core and will probably be sniffing at being a serious contender while the Vikings bumble around looking for someone else’s cast-off QB and squeaking playoffs (and choking) here and there.
Drafting or finding one of these is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Plus we’ve tried it how many times and failed recently with Ponder and Mond. You don’t keep going back to the well when the well is dry.
Disagree there are teams that find their QB like this every year. I agree it’s difficult, but even harder when you don’t try.
We are nowhere near a complete enough team to sniff a super bowl any time soon.
We have legitimate talent at exactly one position group, WR. End of list.
Our O-line is bottom tier.
Our D-line is bottom tier.
Our RB room is bottom-mid tier.
Our TE room is mid-upper tier.
Our LB room is bottom-mid tier.
Our secondary is bottom tier.
Our WR room is top tier.
Our QB is middle-upper tier.
This is not a super bowl roster, it would take Patrick Mahomes to make this a contender.
Disagree there are teams that find their QB like this every year. I agree it’s difficult, but even harder when you don’t try.
There are? Who got theirs with this year’s draft or last year’s for that matter? Purdy is the only one doing anything from the 22 draft. This year jury is still out. 20 was the year were multiple potential franchise picks were taken, but its not like it happens every year like you think.
There are teams that find their franchise QB every year. The lists above give the examples. It takes guts and criticism and usually a year or two to figure out what you have. But really the only way to build something long-term.
We’ve been bitten by being competitive for too long and not having any really solid draft picks in the top 10 or even top 5. This team needs to re-stock the cupboards, and I honestly believe the best thing for this roster in the long run would be a year or two losing 13+ games and drafting in the top 5.
Very true statement for all NFL teams. Picking in later half of the first round year after year, means you have to find good players in the later rounds. KC is an exception, but that is because of Mahomes. Any other team trading their top wideout, usually don’t make and win the SB that year. If you could get what Seattle or theLions got for trading their QB’s it would be a no-brainer to trade Cousins. But other than the Jets who would trade for him and give up anything in return? The Jets can’t trade their #1 pick next year since that is still tied up from last years trade for Rodgers. So unless they make a deal with the Pack they can’t trade their #1 pick, and their 2nd round pick is also gone. After the season I don’t know they want another high priced QB hoping Rodgers plays next year.
Vikes had the #12 pick in the 2022 draft and blew it…
But we chalk that up to Kwesi “learning on the job”….
Because Rodgers wont be able to play likely all season that 1st round pick the packers would have gotten becomes a second.
both the 1 and the 2 are frozen until the season ends. So the jets have nothing to offer for cousins right now. They will have to go forward with Wilson or the trevor siemian (probably misspelled that) who they just picked up.
The second statement is true to the best of my knowledge. It is safe to assume that Rodgers won’t meet the required amount of playing time this year, so the Packers are now sure they will be getting the Jets second round pick. The key is until the season ends, both those picks are tied up, and the Jets can’t use either pick as trade bait, just as the Packers I would think can’t use the pick from the Jets as trade bait either. Now at the end of the year it will become official that Rodgers didn’t meet the required playing time to turn the 2nd round pick into a first round pick. At that point it is official and the teams can then use or trade the picks.
Disagree there are teams that find their QB like this every year. I agree it’s difficult, but even harder when you don’t try.
They did try, they just drafted a QB last year and also in 2021. See if he is the franchise leader. I have my doubts and the one in 2021 didn’t last a year sooo.
Oh they also drafted one in 2020.
So they drafted 3 QB’s in the last 4 years.
Maybe their hay stack is bigger than most teams.
Don’t know why people keep using San Fran as a comparable. They are an anomaly.
Brock Purdy was picked basically like the last pick in FF when you look at your sheet and are like alright cool let’s draft him. If Purdy wasn’t an anomaly San Fran would have been screwed trying to draft another with the picks they gave up for Trey Lance.
Disagree there are teams that find their QB like this every year. I agree it’s difficult, but even harder when you don’t try.
They did try, they just drafted a QB last year and also in 2021. See if he is the franchise leader. I have my doubts and the one in 2021 didn’t last a year sooo.
Oh they also drafted one in 2020.
So they drafted 3 QB’s in the last 4 years.Maybe their hay stack is bigger than most teams.
Don’t know why people keep using San Fran as a comparable. They are an anomaly.
Brock Purdy was picked basically like the last pick in FF when you look at your sheet and are like alright cool let’s draft him. If Purdy wasn’t an anomaly San Fran would have been screwed trying to draft another with the picks they gave up for Trey Lance.
LOLOL.
2023 – Jaren Hall – Round 5
2021 – Kellen Mond (BIG REACH) – Round 3
2020 – Nate Stanley – Round 7
2014 – Teddy – Round 1
2011 – Ponder – Round 1
2008 – JD Booty – Round 5
The only two times in the past 15 years we’ve given first round picks to the QB was Ponder in 2011 (reach) and Teddy in 2014. Otherwise you see one taken in the third round (reach on Mond), two in the 5th, and one in the 7th.
If anyone thinks we’ve given drafting QBs a fair shake they’re insane. We’re seeing the consequences of not dedicating enough draft capital to the MOST IMPORTANT position in the game.
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