That was a very winnable game. I’ve been a vikings fan for about 15 years when I moved to this state. I don’t know how you guys have been getting jabbed in the eye with sticks every Sunday your whole lives……
It is pretty remarkable, really. Especially when you factor in the other franchises 
That was an awful ugly game.
The Eagles could have ran for 400 yards if they wanted to….
Turnovers – pretty much as simple as that. Ask Josh Allen too.
Lose the turnover margin and you only have a 30% chance of winning in the NFL. If you have a -3 turnover differential, the NFL team has about a 10% chance of winning.
Vikings are -6 in two games.
Many agree the turnover rule on the Jefferson fumble is a bit odd if not silly.
That turnover rule with Jefferson’s catch…. Never have I seen that before. Why? Must some precedent that set that.
The turnovers were sad and we had BO answer to the run. Watched the twins on my phone while the game was on.
Turnovers – pretty much as simple as that. Ask Josh Allen too.
Lose the turnover margin and you only have a 30% chance of winning in the NFL. If you have a -3 turnover differential, the NFL team has about a 10% chance of winning.
Vikings are -6 in two games.
Many agree the turnover rule on the Jefferson fumble is a bit odd if not silly.
That rule is nothing new and pretty well-known for anyone who has watched/played/coached football. It really impacts the high school game often with younger athletes trying to get into the endzone. I like it. It emphasizes ball security and actually getting yourself into the endzone versus carelessly sticking a ball out while getting driven backwards and losing ground.
Debating or questioning a rule that’s been around forever after it’s done and over with seems like people making excuses, rather than owning that JJ should have just secured the ball first and foremost. It was a great player making a mistake…nothing more and nothing less.
What are people’s take on the Eagles QB scrum sneak? The broadcasters spoke like it was some questionable concept that should not be allowed and the competition committee brought it up. I personally like it. If guys getting paid 10s of millions of dollars are willing to basically bury their necks into 300# athletes at the LOS and run that play to win…go for it. The people preaching against it are the same ones who DVR the Pro Bowl flag football game.
Jefferson owned it.
Jefferson owned it.
Absolutely. It’s the fans that often make the most excuses.
The guy is a gamer. He’s easy to like now too without really fighting the contract situation and basically betting on himself for yet another season. He’s going to break the bank and the Vikings salary cap.
Again.. turnovers. On a bright note, I had Hurts, their kicker and Addison going last night in FF, over 50 points ESPN ! 
Bucky, people have been debating that rule for decades it isnt just because it happened to the vikings. If it happened to the chiefs you can bet it would be changed the next year though.
Why does possession change in that instance, but not when it is fumbled out of bounds?
Because that’s the rule. It’s clear as can be and has been for decades with tons of instances that have impacted games. Every player, coach, and so on knows the rule. Let’s keep the random why questions going about situations and rules that have been in place for decades:
Why is a FG worth 3 points?
Why is there a free kick after a safety?
Why does it take 10 yards to earn a first down?
Why is pass interreference a spot foul?
Why do NFL referees wear stripes instead of polka dots?
This rule wasn’t an issue for Vikings fans before last night. Period. Now it impacted them and suddenly it’s some huge injustice for some that needs to be addressed. There’s no room in football for tears or whining.
What are people’s take on the Eagles QB scrum sneak? The broadcasters spoke like it was some questionable concept that should not be allowed and the competition committee brought it up. I personally like it. If guys getting paid 10s of millions of dollars are willing to basically bury their necks into 300# athletes at the LOS and run that play to win…go for it. The people preaching against it are the same ones who DVR the Pro Bowl flag football game.
I don’t love that play, which is basically a rugby maul. But it’s legal, probably should stay legal, and not sure how they could make a rule banning it anyway. Jason Kelce might be the best player at his position in the league. Not only is he responsible for that plays success, but he manhandles everyone and is crazy quick/fast for pulling and getting good leverage and a bulldog overall.
Flores clearly had a gameplan that would let them run well in exchange for limiting Hurts’ running and throwing. Almost all game we were playing a 3-3-5 stack defense, even against 2 TE sets, so basically 6 guys on defense vs 7 blockers on offense. Personally I thought they played very well on defense overall, but late in the game needed to switch it up more to stop them running, and couldn’t.
That JJ fumble rule is dumb as no where else on the field can you fumble the ball out of bounds forward and benefit, so shouldn’t be penalized for it either imo. But yes everyone knows that is the rule, and JJ needs to do better.
I can think right quick of 2 times that the Vikings were screwed by old dumb rules. Versus Arizona, playoff implications for us… the shove out of bounds of the airborn wide receiver… back then you couldn’t tackle/push them out of bounds, you had to give them the chance to land both feet in bounds ??? WHAT ??? Anyways, that knocked us out of the playoff picture, they changed it shortly after that. Talk about stupid.
The other one, was the 2009 Playoff game against the Bounty Gate Saints. Flip of a coin basically decides who gets the HUGE advantage in OT. Changed that shortly after that also. Another dumb one.
Werm, you and I really think alike when it comes to this team. Flores had them figured out in the first half. But when the made it clear they were going to run AND ONLY RUN the rest of the game, I can’t believe he didn’t adapt and add a lineman or another linebacker. The Eagles O-line was pushing the line of scrimmage 5 yards into our secondary EVERY PLAY. I thought Flores was supposed to be a defensive genius, he may be, but he’s another defensive coach that won’t adapt mid game. Hopefully he learns from that.
But when the made it clear they were going to run AND ONLY RUN the rest of the game, I can’t believe he didn’t adapt and add a lineman or another linebacker. The Eagles O-line was pushing the line of scrimmage 5 yards into our secondary EVERY PLAY. I thought Flores was supposed to be a defensive genius, he may be, but he’s another defensive coach that won’t adapt mid game.
I was wondering if that might be due to a depth issue. They had 10 DL active and Davenport went out right away. Leaving 9 guys, and 5/6 of those guys are DE’s.
If the defense recovers the ball in their endzone and then subsequently fumbles the bounds out of the endzone who gets the ball and where is it placed? If the offense doesnt retain the ball and get put back at THEIR 20 yard line then the rule makes no sense. Because its a touchback right?
If the defense recovers and fumbles out of endzone trying to advance it would be a safety.
The guy is a gamer. He’s easy to like now too without really fighting the contract situation and basically betting on himself for yet another season. He’s going to break the bank and the Vikings salary cap.
Agree on all that. He does things some elite WR’s don’t. He absolutely puts himself in harms way knowing he’ll be hit hard, and he’s always looking to turn upfield for more YAC. I’d be curious to see comparable and historical contested catch data; that’s one of his traits that I believe really sets him apart.
And like you said, he’s been a pro about the contract, which I’m sure can be tough. If he gets hurt it sucks for him. If his production for some reason falls off, it sucks for him. Instead he’s gotten over 150 yards in each of their two games and just keeps giving validating him getting the largest non-QB contract in NFL history.
JJ already has more receiving yards than any player in the 100+ year history of the Chicago Bears. That being said I don’t get all the hubub over his contract, the 5th year option is next year, so this next offseason is the big one.
Personally I’d be taking trade calls, if you can get a better haul than the Chiefs got for Tyreek, you have to do it imo. Chiefs traded Tyreek for a 1, 2, 4, 4, and a 6th. Use that capital to get a franchise QB and do a reset. Although with Kwesi’s draft record thus far, not sure I want him being the guy doing it either.
I’m thinking 4 years, $155-$160 million will be close to the range he gets by Spring if he leads the league in receiving categories again this year.
Tyreek Hill averaged $30 million a year and is quite a bit older. $35-40 million AAV is not out of the picture.
I think the Vikings will make their move to extend him this Spring. I doubt they trade him or even shop him around. I’m not denying the legitimacy of the haul he’d warrant, but just don’t see it happening.
Can you imagine how many receiving yards JJ would have if we had a competent O-line?
I was surprised the Vikings kept this game close, I expected a route. We need to invest more in the trenches though, that’s obvious, we lose that battle every game against serious teams. It seems like every team we play against has some nasty Nose tackle or OLB that we just can’t handle. Like every single team, but we don’t have any of those guys.
Why are people panicking and wanting to trade our best receiver since Randy Moss after these two games? For crying out loud they killed themselves in both games and no “franchise QB” would have changed the outcome of either game. Cousins wasnt at fault, stupid mistakes and turnovers were. That is just plain blasphemy to even think about trading JJ.
Both Cousins and Hockenson had very good FF games.
Cousins is throwing at about a 75% completion rate for an average of about 350 yards and an average of 3 touchdowns per game. All those turnovers though.
The line is banged up, but playing from behind and a largely inadequate running game (in part because the Vikings try run between the tackles with a below-average interior line) from the starting whistle leaves the D anticipating pass. Cousins had 44 passing attempts in both games.
NFL teams are closer in parity than most think especially if you tie in injuries. Look at my post above loss the turnover battle and you win just 30% of your games. A margin of -3 or worse the win percentage drops to 10%.
Both Tampa and Philly had some pretty hefty time-controlling drives. Offense cannot score if they are watching from the sidelines.
Because that’s the rule. It’s clear as can be and has been for decades with tons of instances that have impacted games. Every player, coach, and so on knows the rule. Let’s keep the random why questions going about situations and rules that have been in place for decades:
Why is a FG worth 3 points?
Why is there a free kick after a safety?
Why does it take 10 yards to earn a first down?
Why is pass interreference a spot foul?
Why do NFL referees wear stripes instead of polka dots?
This rule wasn’t an issue for Vikings fans before last night. Period. Now it impacted them and suddenly it’s some huge injustice for some that needs to be addressed. There’s no room in football for tears or whining.
I’ve never liked this rule. I think the offense should retain control, and the ball should be placed on the 1-yard line if the Offense fumbles the ball out of bounds in the end zone. I don’t like the half-the-distance-to-the-goal rule on penalties. I think the full penalty should be assessed, with the 1-yard line being the stopping point. I didn’t like the rule about a catch or TD being awarded on a forced out of bounds. They changed that rule. The NFL is always tweaking rules. I have my preference and you have yours. Where we differ your rules suck and that is the bottom line. 
Both Cousins and Hockenson had very good FF games.
2 of the 3 turnovers last week weren’t Cousin’s fault. The first fumble Ingram actually punched the ball out of Kirk’s hand (he used to just step on Kirks feet, now he’s actually playing defense) and the second fumble he had no shot. 2 seconds and boom. Get’s blown up blindside. I’d bet 75% of those type of hits that quickly on QB’s result in fumbles. This week’s fumble was the same thing.
it could have been worse, it could have a nationally broadcast game.
oh, wait, nevermind.
Why are people panicking and wanting to trade our best receiver since Randy Moss after these two games? For crying out loud they killed themselves in both games and no “franchise QB” would have changed the outcome of either game. Cousins wasnt at fault, stupid mistakes and turnovers were. That is just plain blasphemy to even think about trading JJ.
Not panicking at all, and still think they have a good shot at the playoffs this year, even though they will probably be 2-5 or 3-4 after 7 games. If you go back in the thread I mentioned it before the season even started. Trading superstars and then winning Super Bowls happens, Chiefs last year, and have you heard of Herschel Walker? Wait until you hear this… 
Yeah, it happens far less than you make it seem though Werm. Its not like the chiefs were devoid of talent after that trade, but the Walker trade certainly did make a huge difference for the Cowboys.
Yeah, it happens far less than you make it seem though Werm. Its not like the chiefs were devoid of talent after that trade, but the Walker trade certainly did make a huge difference for the Cowboys.
I never said or tried to make it seem like it happens a lot. But the Cowboys won 3 Super Bowls off of the Walker trade. The Chiefs won one after the Hill trade thus far, and that was before really realizing the return on those picks as some are starting year 2 and some were 2023 draftees, but they are a lot younger now, and with Mahomes likely to add a few more Lombardi’s as well. Fortune favors the bold!
Plus there are some warning signs on JJ’s divaness developing, and as I stated previously WR’s are heading the way of RB’s. If Addison can give you 85% of JJ’s production, why not move him for a haul that may setup the franchise for the future? My whole life the Vikings have had all-time great non-QB skill position players….
If Addison can give you 85% of Jeffersons production is that because of his talent or because Jefferson draws the studs? Jefferson is a known commodity, Addison isn’t.
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