2023/2024 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

  • JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245234

    Hey BG I mean Joe. I think you are forgetting about another extension into that 15 mill.
    It is a rather large and important one.

    GMBG here, because I had my capguy fired, i’m the new Wild capologist in addition to Executive President and GM… The Kirill extension won’t hit the books until the 2026-2027 season and the cap limit is predicted to increase an additional $8-$10 million by then, so that should easily cover whatever raise he’ll get over the current $9aav…we’ll also be done with Zuccy & Gus’s contracts (yes, they will need to be replaced, but hopefully with young ELC/bridge deal players)

    as we’ve said before, things can change alot year to year…

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2245239

    Hey BG I mean Joe. I think you are forgetting about another extension into that 15 mill.
    It is a rather large and important one.

    Johansson? chased

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245243

    Seeing alot of posts online complaining about the Wild/GMBG handing out too many M-NTC/NTC’s, a quick look through teams on capfriendly shows the Wild have about the same as most teams in the NHL…for sure there are some exceptions (Nashville) and the youngest teams (Columbus/Arizona/Anahiem) will always have fewer than the more veteran loaded teams (Toronto/Penguins/Rangers/Islanders)

    I don’t think they are that big of a deal UNLESS you know of another expansion team draft is coming up…There’s lots of rumors that the NHL wants another team(s) in a few years (Salt Lake City/Atlanta)

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245247

    looks like we won the bid to host the 2026 World Junior Hockey Championships! So Cool, I’m getting tickets for sure!

    There will likely be a couple of Exceptional Status Canadian players at the 2026 WJC…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245250

    Only took 3 simulations to get #1 overall today )

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    tswoboda
    Posts: 8515
    #2245254

    The only players without a NTC are Duhaime, Dewar, Middleton, Merrill, Gus, and the ELC/AHL guys. I agree it’s part of business and almost all are partial, not a huge deal.

    Funny how they lose a couple games and everything is a problem. Then they’ll win a few games and IN BILLY G WE TRUST. Injuries are controlling this season.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245258

    The only players without a NTC are Duhaime, Dewar, Middleton, Merrill, Gus, and the ELC/AHL guys

    Not that we would move them, but Ek, Boldy, Kirill and Gus don’t have any as well…M-NMCs/NTCs seems like the accepted negotiated “get” for average NHL players with UFA status, NMC’s for the star players…Some teams like Nashville just refuse to hand them out unless your last name is Josi or Forsberg, but it seems like they then overpay a tad on the contract aav side of the deal for UFAs

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245260

    Funny how they lose a couple games and everything is a problem. Then they’ll win a few games and IN BILLY G WE TRUST. Injuries are controlling this season.

    It’s all about the injuries to absolute key players…I think Deano’s message just wore thin and that was a big part of their dreadful start (and a lack of puckluck for long stretches) The team that put the winning streak together after Hynes took over is the best these players could play and a HUGE part of that success is unexpectedly due to 2 rookies…Injuries were the #1 kryptonite GMBG and others were worried about when the season started due to our limited options due to the cap restrictions, and sadly they were hit with an injury tsunami at the worst time with 12 more games packed in until their bye week end of January…

    mojogunter
    Posts: 3301
    #2245261

    On the other side. MN fans are some of the biggest bandwagon fans in the country. We are so jaded and desperate for a winner of some kind it is pathetic. An example of this is the previous 5 game home winning streak (blown because I was at the game) the ticket prices were nuts what people were paying for them. It is also obvious how many fans were attending their first game. Jumping up very excited whenever we passed the red line when the other team was changing thinking a breakaway was happening because they have no idea how quick off the bench the defensemen can get into position to cover the rush. It reminded me of games at the SAP Center in San Jose. I can remember a few years ago when we and Columbus had the longest winning streaks going at the time. I don’t remember how many games it was but it was an impressive streak. I sold my tickets for the majority of those games after winning 5 in a row and made some good money. If memory serves the matchup with Columbus was on New Years Eve. I had 3 season ticket seats, and put one up for sale for the New Years eve game and that single ticket sold for $175. The Wild lost by the way because I was at the game. I really need to talk to the wild about paying me to stay home. My bad luck on away games is about the same. 12 away games attended with one win to show for it. ;)

    Funny how they lose a couple games and everything is a problem.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22778
    #2245263

    Mojo, you are not allowed to attend any Wild games in perpetuity.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8515
    #2245268

    The only players without a NTC are Duhaime, Dewar, Middleton, Merrill, Gus, and the ELC/AHL guys

    Not that we would move them, but Ek, Boldy, Kirill and Gus don’t have any as well…

    They all have NTC/NMC, they just can’t kick in until they’re past RFA status based on the CBA. Kirill and Ek starts in 24 and Boldy in 28.

    If memory serves the matchup with Columbus was on New Years Eve. I had 3 season ticket seats, and put one up for sale for the New Years eve game and that single ticket sold for $175.

    I remember this game, both teams had double digit win streaks coming in.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245269

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>

    The only players without a NTC are Duhaime, Dewar, Middleton, Merrill, Gus, and the ELC/AHL guys

    Not that we would move them, but Ek, Boldy, Kirill and Gus don’t have any as well…

    They all have NTC/NMC, they just can’t kick in until they’re past RFA status based on the CBA. Kirill and Ek starts in 24 and Boldy in 28.

    ahh, got it, I thought capfriendly displayed the status if it was part of the current contract, not the current contract year, makes total sense… learned something new today…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22778
    #2245271

    ahh, got it, I thought capfriendly displayed the status if it was part of the current contract, not the current contract year, makes total sense… learned something new today…

    BG, with all due respect you should know this by now that all your right hand men are gone. Who’s doing the day to day scheduling now?

    basseyes
    Posts: 2509
    #2245275

    Nice to see BG not hiding in a hole and active on ido.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245290

    BG, with all due respect you should know this by now that all your right hand men are gone. Who’s doing the day to day scheduling now?

    Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if GMBG is using capfriendly alot lately…

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #2245291

    I don’t think they are that big of a deal UNLESS you know of another expansion team draft is coming up…There’s lots of rumors that the NHL wants another team(s) in a few years (Salt Lake City/Atlanta)

    It’s astonishing to me how often it’s mentioned in expansion talk, but ATLANTA? WTF, Gary. The only city to have and lose two NHL franchises and Gary wants to go back for a third bite of the apple in Jawjaw?

    Just the fact that Atlanta slides into the conversation every time the next expansion is mentioned makes one wonder what, exactly, is Gary’s problem with Quebec City such that Atlanta gets so much airplay even as a #2 option? Did somebody in Quebec pee on Gary’s poutine at one point? Did a Qubecquios bully steal Gary’s lunch money when he was a kid? Does he think that any two people having a conversation in French just MUST be talking about him?

    This Atlanta expansion thing is almost as much of a mystery to me as…

    Back to the Wild, nobody in Minnesota should be hitting the panic button. Let’s save that for in case they lose the next game. THEN we can hit the panic button.

    Cross-checking. The only rule that’s kind of not a rule depends on a multitude of situational factors. I have no idea why this is so hard for the NHL. Every game you see the refs pass on multiple cross-checks that they were staring right at. If it was the injury to Sidney that got the NHL to finally make slashing a real penalty that was much more consistently called, so what’s it going to take with cross-checking? The bullsh!t cross-checks in the back in front of the net (finally!) started to get called with moderate regularity, but that only serves to highlight the fact that it’s still not a thing on most of the rest of the rink. Dumb, dumber, and Gary’s NHL, I guess.

    I didn’t really expect much from the Wild this season and to quote a sage Minnesota philosopher, the late/great Denny Green, “They were who we thought they were.” If nothing else, it’s going to be fun to watch MAF pass Roy for #2 in all time wins.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22778
    #2245295

    If nothing else, it’s going to be fun to watch MAF pass Roy for #2 in all time wins.

    At this rate I am not sure it happens with how depleted they are in front of him. He cant stop all the pucks and score goals.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245296

    This Atlanta expansion thing is almost as much of a mystery to me as…

    it’s all about the $$ they see with one of the US’s biggest markets (Atlanta is #6)

    The difference now though is expansion draft rules allow teams to become very competitive starting game 1 vs past expansion teams that are terrible for decades sometimes and always behind the 8 ball…That’s what killed previous Atlanta Hockey attempts…

    The Thrashers story is one of bad decisions, bad luck and a bad owner…They made bad draft picks (besides Heatley and Kovalchuk) They had terrible luck with Heatley’s car accident that killed a teammate and sidelined Heatley’s career for awhile, They were awarded the All Star game, but then that got delayed 3 years with the NHL LockOut and other games already scheduled…Owner Ted Turner already owned the Braves and the Hawks and spent his money with those teams, the Thrashers got whatever was left (not much) for free agents…They were also colossally bad their first 3 seasons which killed any fan excitement they built up…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245299

    Cross-checking. The only rule that’s kind of not a rule depends on a multitude of situational factors. I have no idea why this is so hard for the NHL. Every game you see the refs pass on multiple cross-checks that they were staring right at

    The best suggestion I heard is what Lacrosse did years ago in terms of a rule change, now in Lacrosse you can only crosscheck the backs of players if your gloves are together on your stick, so its the gloves that make contact with the back, not the stick shaft…I would think that would be easy for the NHL to adopt, although it would look really odd with a long stick…

    or you only allow the free hand to push on the back, no stick contact allowed…that might trigger the old school fans/players though…

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2245305

    On the other side. MN fans are some of the biggest bandwagon fans in the country. We are so jaded and desperate for a winner of some kind it is pathetic.

    Been saying this for years. 100% with you on this.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8515
    #2245311

    What makes you guys think MN is so special when it comes to bandwagon fans? Personally I think my high school and college had the biggest bandwagon fans… no idea why that could be though coffee

    Kings fans talking about Fiala keeps popping up in my twitter feed and it’s hilarious. They absolutely love him and despise him all at the same time. They have created the “Kevin Fiala Hat Trick”… a goal, assist, and stupid offensive zone penalty. And for anyone wondering, yes I still miss watching him – always entertaining

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5797
    #2245324

    I often think about other geographic areas with multiple sports teams devoid of a championship. And, honestly can’t come up with anything similar.

    So I agree with some of the above comments

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17385
    #2245336

    looks like we won the bid to host the 2026 World Junior Hockey Championships! So Cool, I’m getting tickets for sure!

    There will likely be a couple of Exceptional Status Canadian players at the 2026 WJC…

    I read about this today too. The two primary sites will be Xcel and Mariucci. But they plan to use out state venues in Bemidji, Duluth, St Cloud, and Mankato for preliminary games so the whole state is showcased on an international level.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8515
    #2245370

    I often think about other geographic areas with multiple sports teams devoid of a championship. And, honestly can’t come up with anything similar.
    So I agree with some of the above comments

    No doubt this is loserville USA. I think MN has the longest championship drought of any market with all 4 major sports teams. Probably the least championships too. I just don’t think that makes us the biggest bandwagon jumpers. I think we see all the bandwagon jumpers here because we live here, it happens everywhere.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22778
    #2245379

    But they plan to use out state venues in Bemidji, Duluth, St Cloud, and Mankato for preliminary games so the whole state is showcased on an international level.

    This will be fantastic!

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22778
    #2245381

    Once Cleveland won the NBA title MN is undoubtedly loserville USA. I just saw a graphic specifically relating to NFL that had the Vikings in the top 4 or 5 franchises for winning ie Conference Titles, Division Titles and SB appearances. That is all well and good, but it would be nice to win something bigger for a change.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8515
    #2245383

    Cross-checking. The only rule that’s kind of not a rule depends on a multitude of situational factors. I have no idea why this is so hard for the NHL. Every game you see the refs pass on multiple cross-checks that they were staring right at.

    I think it was 3 years ago they made cross-checking a point of emphasis. Multiple penalties called every game and guys like Dillon and Bogosian were constantly seen with their hands in the air looking at the ref yelling “you’re gonna call that?!?!” Yeah that lasted all of 2 months, maybe less. Not sure why they didn’t stick with it but I hope it gets revisited.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17850
    #2245386

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
    Cross-checking. The only rule that’s kind of not a rule depends on a multitude of situational factors. I have no idea why this is so hard for the NHL. Every game you see the refs pass on multiple cross-checks that they were staring right at.

    I think it was 3 years ago they made cross-checking a point of emphasis. Multiple penalties called every game and guys like Dillon and Bogosian were constantly seen with their hands in the air looking at the ref yelling “you’re gonna call that?!?!” Yeah that lasted all of 2 months, maybe less. Not sure why they didn’t stick with it but I hope it gets revisited.

    There’s really no reason it needs to be in the game anymore, just allow either a single or double hand push on the back, if the stick comes across the back at all then its a penalty… it will likely result in more holding penalties called if anything as defenders lose a tool to slow down an offensive player…

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #2245396

    it’s all about the $$ they see with one of the US’s biggest markets (Atlanta is #6)

    The difference now though is expansion draft rules allow teams to become very competitive starting game 1 vs past expansion teams that are terrible for decades sometimes and always behind the 8 ball…That’s what killed previous Atlanta Hockey attempts…

    That would be the simple Gary Math, but a big population does not mean big enthusiasm for hockey or big revenue from the fans, as we’ve seen. Especially with southerners.

    Winnipeg’s market is tiny, only 750k population total. But the Jets had $25 million more in revenue than the Arizona Coyotes, even though the Pheonix metro area has a population advantage of over 4 MILLION. There are a lot of other examples of this, yes of course there are exceptions like Nashville and if a team gets hot, there’s a revenue bump. But if it’s not a true hockey market, the shine wears off pretty quickly as can be seen by the masses of empty seats even when the Panthers are playing well and are in the hunt. To a Florida “fan”, hockey season apparently starts with the playoffs.

    But overall, which city is likely to put more butts in seats during thick and thin AND which population is more likely to be buying the merch?

    I was in Quebec City a couple of years back and you can STILL buy and you still see Nordiques sweaters everywhere. I’m not joking on an average day, I’d see 10 or more Nordiques hats and sweaters just walking around town. Go to Atlanta and see how many Thrashers sweaters or hats you see.

    Yes, clearly Bettman is still in love with the South, but Atlanta 3.0 would be as big of a fail as the past 2.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8515
    #2245404

    Yeah The Yotes are a dumpster fire, but not sure I’d use Winnipeg as a poster child for small markets right now. Mind you this is happening while they’re leading the entire Western conference

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