2023/2024 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

  • TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11652
    #2236921

    seeing lots of online disgust with Marcus Johannson’s and how his contract is a bust…seriously? He signed a $2 x 2 deal…that’s a 4th liner contract…He could get bought out for next to nothing next year if its truly needed…JoJo is the least of our longterm worries…

    That’s kind of the problem in a nutshell. Casual fans always want to fixate on one player. The problem isn’t one player. With a very few obvious exceptions it’s basically all of them.

    And it doesn’t stop with the players. When the GM calls an all team meeting and emphasizes that that means all coaches as well there are problems. Guern’s meeting with all coaches and players before departing for Stockholm was described by Hartman as “a kick in the ass”.

    Before the Sweden trip pretty much the uniform consensus was Dino was safe for now. After the Stockholm trip the tone has definitely changed.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #2236928

    That’s kind of the problem in a nutshell. Casual fans always want to fixate on one player. The problem isn’t one player. With a very few obvious exceptions it’s basically all of them.

    Well said, although I think more than just casual fans like to rip individual players – everyone loves a good whipping boy.

    The team as a whole is just really good at finding ways to lose this year. Losing 1 goal games, losing OT/SO, chasing every single game. I think they still have been behind more than any other team this season. Those are all signs of a team that’s better than their record. It’s also the exact kind of stuff that gets coaches fired.

    Personally I think it’s turning around, but I said that a couple weeks ago too roll

    basseyes
    Posts: 2513
    #2236935

    It’s been, and not sure how it could be getting more so, but this team is excessively predictable. I love watching Dallas’s coach mind-F Dean. He barely does anything and you can tell it just gets in Dean-Oh’s head. I like Dean, but honestly don’t think he has a super high hockey iq.

    A little nervous when BG starts kicking arse, when he needs a little arse kicking as well. Some of his moves seemed questionable at the time. And are even raising the eyebrows even farther watching some of those same players on the struggle bus.

    Am convinced KK’s hips aren’t fully healed or there was some long term effects from that injury. You can tell his hips and skating has changed drastically from a yr ago.

    Jojo and Hartman aren’t perfect and with their contracts don’t expect them to be.

    Don’t really have any issues with the play from Ek, Brodin, Spurgeon, Middleton, Faber, the Dewey twins, Vinnie, Maroon has been a solid player, Rossi and Faber have been phenomenal.

    Flower has had some rough games, but has also had some solid games. Gus, hard to repeat last yr after signing a good for him contract. I think he’ll figure it out. But overall goal tending needs to be way better.

    PK seems like it’s showing some signs of improvement.

    PP needs something, and a lot of whatever that something is.

    KK, Zuc and Boldy, yuck. The team lives and dies with their offense. When they struggle and the defense has to pinch more and get more involved pressing, the whole team seems to either feed off it or starve to death.

    One thing that’s always made my arse itch with this current crew of players has been the center play. That’s seemed to improve greatly from last year. Pleasantly surprised and not totally pissed off every game with that. There’s more of an in front of the net presence. The D is getting a few more pucks through and trying to shoot more. Faber and Brodin have really been pressuring in the offensive zone. My biggest frustration is the neutral zone play and forwards horrendous puck management once the pucks on their sticks. As well as players have zero ability to put a puck on net through long spurts.

    Am really wondering how much Spurgeon and this team leaned on Dumba. Probably more so than anyone realized. He’s one of the pieces missing and he might not have been what he once was, or a great defender, but maybe he was a better leader than anyone thought. This team is listless currently.

    If this continues, the team will have no choice but to fire Dean, even if it’s not all his fault. At some point the players signed to incredibly questionable contracts, BG will have to take some responsibility for those players. If KK, Zuc and Boldy can’t get things figured out or at least appear to be heading in the right direction, their roles may need to be demoted.

    As we head into the next month, a lot will be decided with perception being a bigger factor with the fans than anything. If the team is stuck in this same rut and there’s nothing done other than the same old same old, fans are going to start jumping ship looking for other ways to spend their money and time. Hope they can figure something out, but there’s a pattern that’s stuck on repeat.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2236944

    I don’t think the team is missing Dumba at all EXCEPT for his lockeroom personality, Faber has EXCEEDED all expectations and through 20%? of the season has a legitimate argument to be included in the Rookie of the Year conversation…Same can be said about Marco Rossi…

    Middleton has had a terrible Defensive season sofar, but he’s exceeding offensively (but that’s not what we pay him for)

    We’ve got nothing from Spurgeon since he got back, Brodin and Faber are keeping the defense on life support…

    Obviously Kirill, Boldy, JoJo have been dreadful even though Kirill and Boldy are close to 1ppg, I don’t think Kirill is hurt, we just haven’t seen a game where he’s completely taken over…of course the other team doesn’t have to worry about Boldy so Kirill gets all of the defensive attention.

    Boldy is most worrisome imo…he’s missing the net by a significant margin at an alarming rate in key situations and doesn’t have any confidence right now…his play has directly impacted Ek and JoJo 5-5 and that line has been invisible…

    Freddy has also been absolutely dreadful and Deano will never admit it…maybe his “injury” is the cause, but like Boldy, he’s been playing like a guy in the 1st year of a long term extension…

    I won’t put a full disaster tag on the goalies, but every game there’s 1-2 goals they let in, that they didn’t last season…The recent bright spot is that GusBus looked like the game 1 GusBus again last game…

    I don’t understand how Darby and Bob Woods still have jobs… and the new PP guy King doesn’t even look like he’s included on the bench during games…Deano’s seat is getting very warm and while I don’t think he’ll get fired during the season, I think a change is needed starting next season… Deano’s AHL/NHL coaching career track record speaks for itself, he has good regular seasons and then playoff flops… if GMBG wants the team to take the next step, then why have a coach who rarely ever succeeds taking it himself?

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11650
    #2236996

    We’ve got nothing from Spurgeon since he got back

    He’s still the captain right? I know he’s been out so I’m not blaming the season on him, but some of us have been critical of him since he got the C. Spurgeon is a glue guy, not a leader or tone setter imo.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237008

    I don’t think his captaincy has anything to do with it, he’s a quiet leader, they use Foligno as the blowhorn if needed…

    I’m just saying Spurgeon’s return hasn’t sparked anything…we’re still giving up tons of goals, our PK still sucks (He played in the Buffalo & Dallas game) and he hasn’t provided anything offensively…yes it’s only 4 games, so that’s a big factor and gives him some rope in terms of being included with our other stars not playing well or producing…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237012

    I know +/- has its critics and rightfully so….but if you look at the Wild’s roster, their +/- provides a pretty good reality of who’s playing well and who’s not…

    Wild + Players = Brodin +8, Faber +5, Foligno +5, Rossi +2, Ek +1
    Wild – Players = Middleton -9, Kaprizov -8, JoJo -5, Boldy, Zuccy, Freddy, Dewar all -4

    I was surprised with Foligno’s +5, Brodin and Faber’s numbers are more impressive knowing the icetime they get per game…Merril was +1 which was surprising…Middleton’s -9 number was’t surprising at all…Hartman being even makes sense in that he’s not on the ice when we pull our goalie and give up empty net goals which is a minus (or SH golas) but Kirill and Zuccy are and do…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237015

    I’ve also seen and read alot of reports that fans think Kirill is playing hurt, he’s not, he’s been tested by the Docs…there’s no chance they risk any injury to their superstar turning into something worse…other than creating more turnovers than normal (you give a superstar more rope than a normal player on turnovers) I’ve felt Kirill has looked pretty normal…I think his confidence is crap right now and that’s causing some panic’d shots and passes, but otherwise he’s generating chances for himself and others but the puck just isn’t going in for him right now… I hope Deano keeps Rossi as 1C and allows them some time to build chemistry as Rossi has been our best player all season and he can only help Kirill break out of his funk…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #2237019

    5 on 5 +/- for you. Middleton and Faber/Brodin are the outliers, for opposite reasons. Rossi and Foligno lead the forwards.

    Foligno, Zuccy, and Hartman getting the hate for signing extensions but 2 of the 3 have been nothing to complain about this year. Not saying they’re playing great but certainly not bad. Zuccy has been pretty decent in his games split from Kaprizov as well.

    Not sure much more needs to be said about their two star forwards, obviously they’re not playing as well as anyone would like.

    I’ll buck the trend and say I’m disappointed in the not so dynamic Dewey Duo. Yes they’re 4th liners so tough to complain but I was expecting them to provide a spark and energy and some depth scoring in that role. Hasn’t happened at all and they’ve spent most shifts hemmed in their own zone providing the other team a spark. I still maintain Duhaime is a bad penalty killer, same for Hartman – neither should be on the PK.

    All the losses and the terrible record come down to losing as a team. They’re really finding ways to keep losing games and the vibes are off the charts low, but I have no doubt the talent is there and they will turn it around.

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    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #2237022

    And 5 on 5 “expected goals” +/- which basically removes shooting/goaltending

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    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237038

    Dewey line started out really well but then fell apart when Maroon left it…The 3rd players they’ve been getting since don’t really match their play style imo…with Freddy back Maroon falls back with the Deweys again, hopefully their play picks up…

    basseyes
    Posts: 2513
    #2237041

    5-8-4 seventeen games in. As bad as they’ve played, there’s still plenty of time to turn it around. 10 more games of the same, who knows? Maybe no playoffs and a big piece of humble pie for BG.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237043

    5-8-4 seventeen games in. As bad as they’ve played, there’s still plenty of time to turn it around. 10 more games of the same, who knows? Maybe no playoffs and a big piece of humble pie for BG.

    historically the start of December is when the making the playoff chance % starts dropping for teams on the wrong end of the data scale…of course there’s always exceptions, but the numbers say the team you are in December is probably the team you’ll be in April…

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5805
    #2237070

    Lots of places to point fingers. Almost starting to remind me of the Wild threads of old. Sure hope they snap out of it.

    Big game coming up at home against Colorado, IMO.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22821
    #2237071

    T stop bringing facts! We need to reach 200 pages.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17440
    #2237074

    historically the start of December is when the making the playoff chance % starts dropping for teams on the wrong end of the data scale…of course there’s always exceptions, but the numbers say the team you are in December is probably the team you’ll be in April…

    Yes, the problem is that once you start to fall behind in the standings, you can’t catch up because teams above you are losing in OT or a shoot out and still receiving a point. So even with a string of regulation wins, it’s very difficult to gain ground. I’ve heard it referred to as “losing your way up the standings.”

    If you aren’t in a playoff spot or within a few points of one by the end of December, SOL.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237077

    at least we’re not Columbus….

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237589

    Danila Yurov had 1G 2A today in the KHL, he’s been lighting it up lately, he’s just behind the scoring pace Kaprizov was at the same age even though he’s on a much less skilled team.
    Oh and he’s been playing mostly center all season…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #2237695

    Nice to see Yurov having a bit of a breakout in the KHL. Pretty sure Kirill was still playing in Novokuznetsk and Ufa his D1 and D2 seasons

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237713

    Nice to see Yurov having a bit of a breakout in the KHL. Pretty sure Kirill was still playing in Novokuznetsk and Ufa his D1 and D2 seasons

    yes, you’re right on Kirill’s first few KHL teams, forgot how long he was over there…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237714

    HUGE game tonight to see if all the closed door talks, GM chewout sessions and practice time over the past 2 weeks fixed anything…

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17440
    #2237715

    Lotta teams in action today, 15 games on the schedule. Bunch of afternoon games too.

    Making good use of the complimentary Center Ice package.

    Charlie W
    TRF / Pool 3 / Grand Rapids, MN / SJU
    Posts: 1178
    #2237717

    What’s this new goalie mask rule?

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237724

    What’s this new goalie mask rule?

    I’m assuming you’re talking about the Flower issue today? It’s not just a mask rule, the NHL restricts specific causes from being advertised (i’m sure they word it much differently) in Flowers case, he wanted to promote Native American Heritage Night with a special mask (because his wife is of native decent) and the NHL said no, Flower offered to wear it and pay the fine and the NHL then threatened the team with repercussions….

    Just add it to the list of STUPID things the NHL does…if enough negative press gets out about it, the NHL will cave on it like they did other things…The league is just ran by idiots…

    basseyes
    Posts: 2513
    #2237760

    Is the game not on Bally’s tonight?

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5805
    #2237763

    TNT

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17880
    #2237768

    Memories of Neal Broten seeing Faber skate up the ice in that green #7

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