2023/2024 NHL/WILD Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

Will the home crowd make the difference for Edmonton?

I think that depends if Edmonton’s very own “Twin Peaks” will make another appearance. It seems unlikely, but maybe someone else will take the torch.

saw an article that said GMBG told Judd Bracket he wants to be “super aggressive” at the draft if Judd thinks the player they are targeting is worth the price to move up…i’m a fan of the quality over quantity approach, so we’ll see…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

saw an article that said GMBG told Judd Bracket he wants to be “super aggressive” at the draft if Judd thinks the player they are targeting is worth the price to move up…i’m a fan of the quality over quantity approach, so we’ll see…

I’m sorry but this sounds like the usual “Minnesota Wild we fought to the bitter and and cost ourselves multiple draft positions” BS. And NOW Guerin wants to be super aggressive?

I would like to see someone throw out a realistic scenario of what this “move up” theory could look like? Keeping in mind the severe limits that Guerin has put us under with all the no trade clauses he has handed out.

Does anyone seriously think that there is a buyer for Rossi in the top five? Gus isn’t going to get us there without multiple other pieces that we would not want to give up.

Seriously. A realistic scenario.

I think all the NTC were a mistake. I mean if we were gonna suck anyway why give out no trade clauses to a bunch of scrubs. Hope I’m wrong, but I think the Wild are a long way from being competitive.

lindyrig79 wrote:

I think all the NTC were a mistake.

Especially when combining no trade clauses with long-terms for middle lineup players.

But the bottom line is we have almost no tradable assets to begin with. But somehow GM Superaggressive wants to move up?

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
saw an article that said GMBG told Judd Bracket he wants to be “super aggressive” at the draft if Judd thinks the player they are targeting is worth the price to move up…i’m a fan of the quality over quantity approach, so we’ll see…

I’m sorry but this sounds like the usual “Minnesota Wild we fought to the bitter and and cost ourselves multiple draft positions” BS. And NOW Guerin wants to be super aggressive?

I would like to see someone throw out a realistic scenario of what this “move up” theory could look like? Keeping in mind the severe limits that Guerin has put us under with all the no trade clauses he has handed out.

Does anyone seriously think that there is a buyer for Rossi in the top five? Gus isn’t going to get us there without multiple other pieces that we would not want to give up.

Seriously. A realistic scenario.

Let me preface by saying any potential trade would be for a player Judd and the Wild Scouts already identified as worth the likely cost, so if those players get picked earlier, there’s likely nobody left worth trading up for…the most the Wild would move up would be 1-2 spots, after that the price isn’t worth it… I think GMBG saying “be aggressive“ means not waiting to see if that player falls all the way to pick #13, go up to get him ahead of other teams possibly thinking the same if the price makes sense…

Examples of guys who could potentially fall would be the Russians, Cole Eiserman and Berkly Catton.

here’s one scenario I think could be possible if certain things happen:

Devils cant make a deal for one of the top tier goalies available (Ullmark or Markstrom) so they get a little desperate and trade their #10 pick to the Wild for GusBus and pick #13 (possibly another mid round pick added)

I think a Rossi trade could happen if GMBG can find a team willing to trade an ELC player of value that could use a change of scenery and fills a Wild need… I think Columbus could be interested in swapping defenseman David Jiricek….like any trade involving young players, sure there’s risk trading Rossi can comeback and bite you in the a$$, but David Jiricek could also turn into a Wild top 2/4 defenseman for the next decade…

Well that about does it for the Oilers. Edmonton fans have to be pretty depressed. Was hoping for a competitive series- guess not.

Yep it’s over for Edmonton.

My Stanley cup prediction winner is going to prevail. They simply beat the wrong team.

OMG the Panthers are just whipping Edmonton’s ass.

Have the Oilers just given up. Zero shot attempts on the last powerplay. Zero.

McDavid just seems to have no urgency in this game. He looks like he’s playing in San Jose on a Tuesday night in November.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

here’s one scenario I think could be possible if certain things happen:

Devils cant make a deal for one of the top tier goalies available (Ullmark or Markstrom) so they get a little desperate and trade their #10 pick to the Wild for GusBus and pick #13 (possibly another mid round pick added)

I appreciate you playing our little game show. And yes, you’re absolutely right many have already mentioned using Gus as a trade up piece.

A starting NHL tender to move up 3 places to nab a prospect? Doesn’t that put the wild really behind the 8 ball in terms of goaltending? Our goaltender staff then consists of a backup that has been in the league since the late Mesozoic era and a complete rookie in Wallstadt. No pressure on Wallstadt then.

Also Fleury is absolutely done after this season anyway. So then the Wild are potentially forced into trading more assets for a roster level goaltender next season when we’ve just traded one away to get a non-roster player this season.

I can’t see this trade being a great job security move for any GM.

I have to say the Final now kind of sucks. I look forward to this every year but this year it was pretty clearly over after game one. Sure we had a little drama in the last game with Edmonton getting a couple of late goals and almost kind of sort of getting into the game again. Only to be completely shut down again.

But beyond that it’s been a bit of a ho-hum. Really the only thing left to see is if the Connor & Leon Comedy Hour can man up and show they have the character to bring the effort to win one. Even if it’s only postponing the inevitable, throwing in the towel and phoning it in for G 4 would be a crybaby move and a slap in the face to the fans and the organization.

Talk about the Oiler D and goaltending all you want, but the losses in G 1 and 2 are on McD, Draisaitl, and Hyman. Nobody wins a finals game with a 0-0 tie. The puck has to hit the net at some point, goalscorers gotta score.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
here’s one scenario I think could be possible if certain things happen:

Devils cant make a deal for one of the top tier goalies available (Ullmark or Markstrom) so they get a little desperate and trade their #10 pick to the Wild for GusBus and pick #13 (possibly another mid round pick added)

I appreciate you playing our little game show. And yes, you’re absolutely right many have already mentioned using Gus as a trade up piece.

A starting NHL tender to move up 3 places to nab a prospect? Doesn’t that put the wild really behind the 8 ball in terms of goaltending? Our goaltender staff then consists of a backup that has been in the league since the late Mesozoic era and a complete rookie in Wallstadt. No pressure on Wallstadt then.

Also Fleury is absolutely done after this season anyway. So then the Wild are potentially forced into trading more assets for a roster level goaltender next season when we’ve just traded one away to get a non-roster player this season.

I can’t see this trade being a great job security move for any GM.

Trading GusBus is a move GMBG and staff would make if they truly feel Wallstedt is ready to split next season and then take over the year after…We can knock GMBG for some of his trades and extensions, but the guy has been pretty damn good finding goalie reclamation projects and turning their careers around…who’s to say he can’t do it again when Flower needs to be replaced or if god forbid Wallstedt utterly fails as a Pro…

and these Wild trade scenarios (Rossi/GusBus/Middleton) that are floating around exist because they are the only Wild players (outside of our core 4) who actually could get traded (because they have no protection and have perceived value to other teams)

for the record, I think the Devils trade pick #10 to Boston for Ullmark…Devil’s Fans want a big name goalie, GusBus wouldn’t get it done…

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

I have to say the Final now kind of sucks. I look forward to this every year but this year it was pretty clearly over after game one. Sure we had a little drama in the last game with Edmonton getting a couple of late goals and almost kind of sort of getting into the game again. Only to be completely shut down again.

But beyond that it’s been a bit of a ho-hum. Really the only thing left to see is if the Connor & Leon Comedy Hour can man up and show they have the character to bring the effort to win one. Even if it’s only postponing the inevitable, throwing in the towel and phoning it in for G 4 would be a crybaby move and a slap in the face to the fans and the organization.

Talk about the Oiler D and goaltending all you want, but the losses in G 1 and 2 are on McD, Draisaitl, and Hyman. Nobody wins a finals game with a 0-0 tie. The puck has to hit the net at some point, goalscorers gotta score.

July 1st is the big day I’m watching for regarding the Oilers…if Leon DOESN’T sign his extension on July 1st, then the odds that he wants out of Edmonton are pretty high imo, you gotta think his agent and the Oilers have been talking about this for awhile now and if he wants to stay how would they NOT have a deal ready to sign, then it will be the start of a mad scramble for the Oilers to figure out how to get the best trade value for him…

I guarantee you Sam Bennet just told the trainer i’m going to hobble across the bench and down the tunnel to make it look worthy of a 5 minute penalty… didn’t work…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I guarantee you Sam Bennet just told the trainer i’m going to hobble across the bench and down the tunnel to make it look worthy of a 5 minute penalty… didn’t work…

I didn’t watch the game but holy sh!t Edmonton really saved all their goals for one game… bold strategy.

Does Maurice go back to Bobrovsky for game 5????

Wow, I didn’t think we’d be going back to Edmonton… Oilers flipped the script… Scoring Short handed goals earlier in the last 2 games really set the tone for the Oilers…

That was a GOOD game last night

Lots of the latest Mock drafts have guys like Cole Eiserman and Berkly Catton falling to the Wild at #13. I don’t know how you could go wrong taking Eiserman, even if he’s a 1 dimensional player, that 1 dimension is an elite scoring ability…kind of important to have to for a hockey player…

all that being said, I think if the draft plays out like most think it will and the Wild has to pick between a bunch of kids that are all very similar, they might choose a kid like Michael Brandseeg-Nygard…He’s the safest pick in terms of being a NHLer in a year or 2…plus he has some size and is a RH shot…

They just need to weigh MBN’s sureness of being a career top 9 NHLer vs the possibility of somebody like Eiserman turning into a 40+ goal scorer in the NHL…I just hope they shoot for the stars with Eiserman (if he’s available)

Jacob Markstrom to the Devils for a D prospect and 2025 1st round pick, Ullmark is the next goalie domino to drop and his price is going to be VERY expensive vs what GusBus would likely cost…

Can you imagine if the oil pulled this off?!?!

tswoboda wrote:

Does Maurice go back to Bobrovsky for game 5????

Does Maurice go back to Bobrovsky for game 6????

I think Florida locks it down in Game 6, but they have to stay out of the box (and not give up a a shorty in the first few minutes)

The game will go as the Bobrovsky goes, so who knows what happens. I’m 100% pulling for the Oilers and seeing a game 7 though, feels like we could witness greatness here. Tkachuk with a crazy save on the ENG and then McDavid burying it right through him 2 seconds later could be a metaphor for the entire series.

Oilers have 3 PP goals and 2 PK goals. Panthers have 1 PP goal and given up 2 shorties

wow, Pierre Luc DuBois traded straight up for Darcy Kuemper…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

wow, Pierre Luc DuBois traded straight up for Darcy Kuemper…

Whoa, that’s awesome

And for everyone who cries about NTC’s: Today 3 NTC eligible players were traded and 1 was claimed on waivers. All 4 players had some form of No-Trade-Clause

tswoboda wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
wow, Pierre Luc DuBois traded straight up for Darcy Kuemper…

Whoa, that’s awesome

And for everyone who cries about NTC’s: Today 3 NTC eligible players were traded and 1 was claimed on waivers. All 4 players had some form of No-Trade-Clause

NTC’s are only an issue IF the player doesn’t want to move… todays moves made sense for the players needing to get out of their current organization (besides Goodrow who apparently didn’t mind going to San Jose or maybe the idea of keeping his current salary for 3 years made it easier to say yes)
PLD’s NTC starts on July 1st, so he didn’t have any say in the trade, although he probably wanted a new start….

Trades like the Dubois for Kuemper one today make me question if GMBG truly did alot of work into looking for trades before buying Parise/Suter out…it seems like there’s always teams willing to trade for players & contracts no matter who/what the terms are…

Goodrow had no say in it because he was claimed off waivers. McDonagh was threatened with the same thing when he originally accepted the trade to Nashville. Tampa is the best at it, just look at both players they traded the Wild last year… both with NTCs.

Parise and Suter had a ton of other variables working against making a trade. They both had full NMC which is not the same as NTC. Add in that they had no actual salary left in their contract so they wanted to get bought out. And also the cap recapture. Even with all that they still had a deal in place to move Parise to NYI until Lou backed out last minute.

tswoboda wrote:

Goodrow had no say in it because he was claimed off waivers. McDonagh was threatened with the same thing when he originally accepted the trade to Nashville. Tampa is the best at it, just look at both players they traded the Wild last year… both with NTCs.

Parise and Suter had a ton of other variables working against making a trade. They both had full NMC which is not the same as NTC. Add in that they had no actual salary left in their contract so they wanted to get bought out. And also the cap recapture. Even with all that they still had a deal in place to move Parise to NYI until Lou backed out last minute.

i’m starting to think “Cap Recapture” is just a boogeyman term that doesn’t actually exist…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

i’m starting to think “Cap Recapture” is just a boogeyman term that doesn’t actually exist…

The Blackhawks paid it on Duncan Keith… it actually helped them get to cap floor when they were tanking for Bedard

Canucks paid it on Luongo too