Tanking worked and it’ll work again but for every team it works for there’s 5 teams where it didn’t work but no one ever talks about them. It’s not simply being bad and then being good. It’s #1 being bad… #2 getting lucky AF… #3 having a dam good organization to build that into a winning team. Everyone can do #1 but most fail at #2 and #3
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
Historically bad, and that’s why Bedard will be minus a billion and no one except Russo and Wild fans will careWhile that’s true, he’s also constantly floating the zone looking for homerun passes (just last night he did it several times)
His coach has talked to him several times this season about the need to play better defense…so yes the team is bad, but he’s also earning those minuses with lazy defensive play…he’s not paid to play defense, but the NHL requires it played by everyone or the team gets exposed because most everyone on the ice can score if presented with an optimal opportunity…
I feel so bad for the best players on your child’s future teams
Tanking worked and it’ll work again but for every team it works for there’s 5 teams where it didn’t work but no one ever talks about them. It’s not simply being bad and then being good. It’s #1 being bad… #2 getting lucky AF… #3 having a dam good organization to build that into a winning team. Everyone can do #1 but most fail at #2 and #3
True, look at the Coyotes as a prime example. But they do other boneheaded things aside from just not drafting well. Take on bad contracts, etc.
The part that tends to bother me is the “sucking your way to success” model that Chicago is trying to follow (again). They were embarrassingly bad before their dominant stretch started 15 years ago. The United Center averaged about 6000 fans/game in a 22,000 capacity arena. Their model paid off handsomely for about 5 or 6 years and then the bottom dropped out again. They’re right back to where they were before in terms of success. And the bad years heavily out number the good ones too.
People in Chicago know almost nothing about hockey either. Most of the “hockey” fans there don’t even know the difference between offsides and icing.
it works if you’re in a big enough market that can still fill seats or sell merchandise to make a profit when the team is dreadful…Look at how the Wild fanbase acted (myself included) when this team was dreadful for just a 30 game stretch this season… now imagine that stretched out for 2-3 seasons… We’d never allow it…
It still takes alot of things to go right to win cups outside of just getting top draft picks (injuries, hot goalie play, superstars playing like superstars, 3rd & 4th line role players playing above their paygrade in the playoffs, etc)
The Oilers are the poster child for top picks not equaling cup success….
The list of failed tanks and re-builds is a long one. That and every tanking team didn’t choose to tank until that was the only option left. Like they didn’t take a bubble playoff team and just strip it to the studs. They already sucked and then made the moves to get to rock bottom. Look at the current Hawks as the example, they didn’t actively try to tank until last year (for Bedard) but they had already missed the playoffs for 5 seasons before that.
True, look at the Coyotes as a prime example. But they do other boneheaded things aside from just not drafting well. Take on bad contracts, etc.
For how bad they’ve been, what’s been their highest draft pick? Cooley at #3 overall? They’ve never had a top 2 pick…
The 2015 Draft really set them back, they missed out on McDavid and Eichel going 1-2, then they took Dylan Strome at #3 over guys like Marner, Meir, Rantanen, Barzal, Connor, Werenski, Chabot, Boesser, Ek!
they didn’t actively try to tank until last year (for Bedard) but they had already missed the playoffs for 5 seasons before that.
I think the factors there were injuries and aging core players on the backend of huge contracts/caphits and the years of trading away their 1st rounders to get deadline guys for their cup runs meant they didn’t have skilled ELC guys to supplement the huge caphits of the old core at the end…. They also kept thinking those old core players might rebound their games and maybe make another run… never happened…
They’ve also had mostly a Bust draft history since (except the DeBrincat pick) the no brainer picks Kane #1 overall and Toews #3 (none of their other players taken in those 2 drafts played in the NHL!)…After those 2 picks, their cup run was built on 3 drafts…(2002, 2003, 2004)
Is Toews even playing anymore? Or did he retire?
Is Toews even playing anymore? Or did he retire?
“taking a year off”
Some might be interested in this article since there was a lot of Jack Edwards discussion here previously. He confirms something is wrong with his speech but doctors have no idea what exactly it is and says aside from his speech he’s 100% healthy. For as much as he gets ripped on now it’s easy to forget how good he was. 5-10 years ago I always thought of him as the Paul Allen of hockey.
Give me Gary Thorne any day, but yeah Jack is great for a home broadcast guy.
Dumba and Zucker on the trade market. I have a feeling AZ will find a way to get Dumba dealt which we could never do here.
but yeah Jack is great for a home broadcast guy.
You need to be a Boston fan to like him and his extreme level of homerism, and even then, alot of them don’t like him and were welcoming the guy who was filling in for him at times this season…
I watched a Boston game the other night and had to switch over to the other broadcast, it was too hard to listen to with his slow & slurred speech….
I hope all the best for him health wise though…
Doc Emmerick and Gord Miller are my favs…
You need to be a Boston fan to like him and his extreme level of homerism, and even then, alot of them don’t like him and were welcoming the guy who was filling in for him at times this season…
Pretty certain that is exactly why T likened him to Paul Allen.
I have a feeling AZ will find a way to get Dumba dealt which we could never do here.
well, we chose not to deal him when his contract was expiring at a $6 caphit (remember, him coming back from injury was basically our deadline acquisition) now he’s only at a $3.9 caphit that will be nothing for teams to pick up at the deadline…
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
You need to be a Boston fan to like him and his extreme level of homerism, and even then, alot of them don’t like him and were welcoming the guy who was filling in for him at times this season…Pretty certain that is exactly why T likened him to Paul Allen.
yeah, i’m not a PA fan either… way too over the top… he also doesn’t get enough gruff for how many mistakes he makes on air…
“and the kick is up and IT’S GOOOOOOOOD!!!!! oh wait…..no… he missed it….”
Massive Homer, gift of gab, way over the top, fans either love or hate him… how do you not see the similarity between PA and Edwards? Not saying I like either one, just that they’re very talented and well known across their leagues. And I’m talking 10 years ago Edwards not the current version who can only mutter last names.
AZ signed both Dumba and Zucker to trade them, they’re just finally throwing in the towel now. Dumba has had a miserable season I can’t imagine he gets much of a return. Zucker’s been decent, could see him going somewhere looking for a top 6 wing like Edmonton.
how do you not see the similarity between PA and Edwards?
no, I see it…
Dumba has had a miserable season I can’t imagine he gets much of a return
RH Defenseman who can skate can live forever in the NHL….
Danila Yurov just broke the 20 year old KHL single season scoring record of 48 points! You can tell by his reaction that he was feeling the pressure and the relief after breaking it…His shot on net a few seconds earlier looked like he was $hitting his pants he was so nervous!
https://x.com/hockeynewshub/status/1760689013596557357?s=46&t=uoRWUp28rKzoSODmtmr3Lw
RH Defenseman who can skate can live forever in the NHL
I agree, they are a rare commodity. The simple fact that he has a hard shot and he’s right handed gives him job security in this league.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
RH Defenseman who can skate can live forever in the NHLI agree, they are a rare commodity. The simple fact that he has a hard shot and he’s right handed gives him job security in this league.
You’re right but I don’t see him getting more than a late to mid-round pick as a bottom pair or depth defenseman. His shot is irrelevant he’s being used as a shutdown guy and getting caved in.
Honestly I wouldn’t mind the Wild picking him up for like a 5th. They need a RHD in the worst way.
Honestly I wouldn’t mind the Wild picking him up for like a 5th. They need a RHD in the worst way.
I was going to say the same thing. It would be sorta fun if he came back .
Holy is Matthews going off this year. THat guy is a load. 51 goals, in checks notes, 54 games?! Pretty impressive in this day and age even though Gretzky did it in 39 but scoring was much higher then.
Holy is Matthews going off this year. THat guy is a load. 51 goals, in checks notes, 54 games?! Pretty impressive in this day and age even though Gretzky did it in 39 but scoring was much higher then.
I posted about this earlier, Mathews has ZERO empty netters too! not sure how many Gretzky had but pretty sure his 50th was an empty netter?
I posted about this earlier, Mathews has ZERO empty netters too! not sure how many Gretzky had but pretty sure his 50th was an empty netter?
That is pretty insane. Must have missed your post or forgot I read it LOL
He’s the best goal scorer since prime Ovi, might even be better if he keeps going. Arguably the 2nd best player in the NHL right now, but take his playoffs into account and is he even top 10? Is Matthews ever going to do it in playoffs?
IDK playoffs have a lot of other implications to put it all on a player, but you do have a valid point. He and the Leafs have gotten past the first round what once? Couldnt say that about Kaprizov but I digress.
I’m talking individual playoff performance. Look at the other top 5 or so centers in the NHL…. Crosby, McDavid, Draisaitl, Mackinnon. Every one of them go nuts in the playoffs, like it’s worth watching their games just to see that individual player. Matthews is very average every year and he’s been there 7 times now.
You’re not wrong. Those guys do definitely show up during the playoffs.
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