2022 NFL General Discussion

So much for being out.

Ripjiggen wrote:

So much for being out.

Somebody started a new angle, unrelated to the one I am out of.

NFL may not want to admit it but a lot of its popularity also rides on sports betting in addition to FF. The individual Bengals-Bill game bets are easy to close out, but the parlays … well I am sure that created a mess.

Damar remains in ICU but is improving. Sounds like a pretty good kid with his go fund me page starting up before he was even drafted. He has over $6 million in the account … apparently numerous fake accounts are being created to divert money … The GFM site is pulling off the fake accounts as quick as they can identify them.

I’m still trying to understand who the F has that much money invested that it will impact their ability to live ( see attachment in dirty waters post)
These people need help in understanding that this is NOT how to support yourself. It’s a friggin game – FIRST world problem or what? Have fun, enjoy it but be real.

Just like poker players some play for a living. Trust me don’t feel bad.

I heard that they are considering moving the playoffs back a week, replaying Bills/Bengals. Doing away with the off week before the Super Bowl and holding it as scheduled. Seems like a sensible option.

Damar Hamlin’s Father relayed to the Buffalo Bills on Wednesday that his condition is improving. The Bills will be practicing on Thursday.

He has a children’s charity that donates toys and it has skyrocketed to over $6.5 million in recent days.

The NFL’s Chief Medical Officer issued a statement that they are continuing to investigate the cause of cardiac arrest. They have not reached a definitive conclusion as to why this occurred, but the most sound theory is the commotio cordis one so far. It may end up not being fully discovered why this occurred, rather just excluding other causes by process of elimination.

Additionally, the NFL is intending to move forward with week 18 as scheduled. The incomplete Bills-Bengals game will very likely be counted as a “no contest” and the AFC will go to winning percentage instead as a tie breaker for the playoff seeds. During portions of the past 2 seasons, they had contingency plans in place in case games could not be played during the pandemic, and one of those contingencies was to use winning percentage in the standings instead.

Currently, the Chiefs are 13-3 while the Bills are 12-3 and the Bengals are 11-4. That gives the top seed at the moment, by winning percentage, to the Chiefs, even though they lost to both the Bills and Bengals already this season. The Chiefs play at the Raiders on Sunday, while the Patriots visit the Bills, and the Bengals host the Ravens.

Considering both Cincy and Buffalo can get the 1 seed, I would think both teams (if given the option) would prefer to play that game for the 1 seed over handing it to the Chiefs.

But that depends on all three teams winning this week, which is very possible.

PFT supposedly got a tip from the league office that they MIGHT play Bills-Bengals NFC Wild Card, AFC Playoff bye week Week 19, Week 20 AFC Wild Card Weekend NFC Playoff Bye, and then back on schedule. That would suck for the Eagles, so I fully support it . Also puts the Bills-Bengals as the only teams with no playoff bye week.

I hope they find a way to reschedule the Buffalo/Cincinnati game.

They scheduled the Ravens-Bengals game concurrently with the Patriots-Bills, both slated for a 1pm eastern kickoff. The NFL has realized that the incomplete Bills-Bengals could just work itself out on its own, so there is no controversy on seeding. If the Ravens and the Patriots win, then it won’t even matter.

Initially the Ravens-Bengals game had been scheduled for a 4:25pm start, but it was moved to 1pm to coincide with the Patriots-Bills game.

If the Bills, Bengals, and Chiefs all win this week…houston, we may have a problem.

BigWerm wrote:

PFT supposedly got a tip from the league office that they MIGHT play Bills-Bengals NFC Wild Card, AFC Playoff bye week Week 19, Week 20 AFC Wild Card Weekend NFC Playoff Bye, and then back on schedule. That would suck for the Eagles, so I fully support it . Also puts the Bills-Bengals as the only teams with no playoff bye week.

That sounds even more reasonable and profit making then what I heard. I bet they go with it.

As far as Damar goes. What is going on? He is still in critical condition. I would expect a world-class athlete would snap back into shape quicker than a rubber band. I would assume the medical assistance he was given was top-notch and quicker than lightning. It doesn’t seem to me that it should still be a serious situation at this point. This doesn’t make sense to me. Just as the explanation that it was a case of a simple trauma to the chest at the right place at the wrong time. The guy is a fully developed, world-class adult male athlete. There has to be an explanation for why there was a chink in his armor and not any of the 20-something-year-old football players that came before that have experienced the same level of chest trauma at the same exact moment of the heart rhythm.

Bass Pundit wrote:

As far as Damar goes. What is going on? He is still in critical condition. I would expect a world-class athlete would snap back into shape quicker than a rubber band.

He had a heart attack, besides the obvious threat to his life, that is a huge shock to the system. I’d be surprised if he ever fully recovers and plays in the NFL again. Being as young and healthy as he was certainly should help recovery, but he’s got a long journey ahead physically and mentally.

His body has been through a lot of trauma. They had to resuscitate him twice, once on the field and again at the hospital. That means on two different occasions blood was not flowing to vital organs, extremities, etc. and that on two different occasions blood and oxygen stopped flowing to his brain. Those are extreme disruptions to a system that’s always flowing and working. If you look at someone going through a stroke, that’s a blood blockage of the brain, and it’s why someone who’s had a stroke may have cognitive, range of motion, or motor skill impairment issues the rest of their life. Most of us never think too deep into what’s going on every single micro second of our lives within our bodies, but disruptions to those systems mean that important components aren’t getting the resources they need.

Additionally, he’s most likely got broken ribs, torn cartilage in his chest, and possible lung damage from all the chest compressions given to him. The Red Cross instructs that for an adult your chest compressions should be AT LEAST two inches deep. A lot of people who have done CPR on an actual person say that you can hear and feel ribs breaking and cartilage tearing.

I’m not discounting that something else could be in play here. But for most of us, we’re born and functioning and some day we die. His system, in a way, started the dying process twice in a matter of an hour or two, and his body is trying to slowly recover from that.

Bass Pundit,
I truly don’t mean this with any offense, but didn’t you yourself suffer a heart attack or a stroke at a young age? Now you’re questioning why a guy hasn’t “snap back into shape quicker” from going into cardiac arrest twice, not even 72 hours ago? That’s bizarre.

Dan,
Good response

Yes, I had a heart attack at 33 and a stroke at 41. I am not offended. I am just asking questions based on my expectations.

He is not just “a guy”. He is a world-class professional athlete football player in his prime. Maybe he had a rib puncture his lungs on the initial hit or a broken rib piercing his heart when they were giving CPR. It just seems to me that there is more to it than they have disclosed at this point. The info came out that his heart stopped twice; why not details on additional complicating factors? My expectation is that a top 99.9% athlete would be further along by now. Yes, I think he should basically be able to shrug off his heart having to be restarted twice. I expect him to be superman because that is what he essentially is as a human specimen. The medical team was there to handle the situation immediately. My stroke was a TMI and happened in the middle of the night. The paramedics didn’t get to me until 6 or 7 hours later, maybe longer. My brain re-wired itself rapidly. I expected him to be well ahead of where he is reported be now within 24 hours.

There’s been tons of speculation, but the only official information disclosed is that he is not dead and is recovering on respiratory support. There’s been little to no details released at all, and I would think the general public could respect that in a near death injury such as this. Give it time and I’m sure there will be an official report released stating the details of what caused his injuries.

In regards to the recovery process. He had CPR performed on him for 13 minutes. Not many people know what that recovery process is like first hand, because most of them are dead.

The NFL has announced that the Bills—Bengals game will not be completed. It will go down as no contest.

An idea floating around, as previously stated, is using winning percentage instead to determine seeds. Additionally, they are also considering moving the AFC Championship to a neutral site, should the Bills or Bengals make it to that game. Right now that game would be played in Kansas City, with the Chiefs as the top seed.

No offense but the guy was dead on the field. I doubt he is playing this week.
Nobody recovers from that in 72 hours. Most don’t recover ever.

I didn’t think he would be able to play again this season. I thought he would be up and talking within 24 hours, but when I hadn’t heard anything after 48 hours, I was concerned. It could just be they were playing it safe and left him sedated for an extended length of time. Maybe that is protocol when money isn’t the issue and is the issue. He isn’t joe average. He is an NFL Player that went down on national TV. That makes his recovery a valuable property for the NFL and the hospital. Extra incentive to give the very best care exists. It puts the hospital on the map. And if he recovers to the point of being able to play again. It turns a PR hit for the NFL into a compelling human-interest story that transcends the game; the NFL wins in the end.

Maybe I’m naive but I feel like when my grandpa was in the hospital in December they treated him just as well as they would have an NFL player. Not that I’m there frequently, but when I’ve been in a hospital to see friends/family or for the births of my two children I’ve always been grateful for and respectful of hospital staff. I don’t see them as people who have different tiers of “trying” depending on the patient.

I’d like to think that every patient is treated the same but I’m not naive to think that it’s true.

I saw a report last nite that he was asking questions and responding to questions. Even asked if they had won the game.
I was shocked that he was that far along. I had a suspicion they were not releasing anything as the prognosis was not good.
From the two doctors last nite he is doing really well – maybe not “normal” yet but sure sounds like a good place to me.

He was on a facetime call with his entire team today! Coming along and the breathing tube has been removed. I found it funny one of the first things he asked was if they won and the doctors said “you won the game of life”.

Incredible, really

Pretty fun, and funny to go back in the thread and look at preseason predictions. Nailed the Bears 4 wins or less, Lions around .500 and my purple glasses were pretty accurate. Missed badly on a dominant Packers Defense and team, the Rams, the AFC West dominance (Chiefs/Chargers were solid, but Broncos and Raiders were terrible) and NFC East being terrible (ended up easily the best division in the league).

Pretty excited for Lions-Packers this week, and even more so the playoffs!

Here are the odds for all 14 teams in the playoffs to win the Super Bowl, courtesy of Vegas MGM odds. Bear in mind that the AFC Championship could be played at a neutral site if a combination of the Chiefs, Bills, or Bengals are in it.

Chiefs 3-1
Bills 4-1
49ers, Eagles 6-1
Bengals 8-1
Cowboys 11-1
Chargers 20-1
Bucs 25-1
Vikings 30-1
Ravens 35-1
Jaguars 40-1
Seahawks, Giants 50-1
Dolphins 60-1

Another interesting thing is that all six games next week will be rematches from this season. That does not happen often. Be interesting to see how many of the outcomes are.

Lovie Smith with a nice departing W for the Texans, to give the Bears the #1 overall pick. While I don’t think Fields is the answer, I can’t see them drafting a QB so they will likely get a haul from someone moving up to the #1. Jags also have gone from a place no one wanted to play, to the playoffs in 2 years time, mainly from competent play from Sunshine Lawrence. AFC looks like a 3 horse race to me, Buffalo, Cincy and KC. NFC is wide open, especially after mediocre performances from Philly and Dallas yesterday who both played their starters the majority of the games. 49ers look the best all-around, but I don’t trust Mr. Irrelevant on the biggest stage.