2022 MN WILD/NHL THREAD

  • Ice Cap
    Posts: 2151
    #2085259

    Russo on record as picking the Blues to win Saturday. Given there is no Spurgeon, Ek or most likely Brodin and the Wild have a history of trouble handling the Blues even with those guys I’d say that’s the smart bet.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17700
    #2085274

    Two things:

    1) I heard somebody suggest using the WJC teams as the country teams for the olympics, not a bad idea!

    2) Boldy and Rossi assisted on the 1st Iowa Wild goal tonight! So some good news!

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17700
    #2085303

    Rossi scores the game tying goal with 28 seconds left, then scores the OT winner on a penalty shot! 2G 1A tonight! Boldy had 2 assists in his first game back from injury…

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2151
    #2085337

    Rossi scores the game tying goal with 28 seconds left, then scores the OT winner on a penalty shot! 2G 1A tonight! Boldy had 2 assists in his first game back from injury…

    “Sure the points are nice but we like our players to play a certain way you have to earn the spot”. -Bill Guerin roll That’s not quite verbatim but close enough. I think some of these players need to be given their chance soon if the Wild are going to remain relevant in the standings.

    It often times seems playing a certain way for the Wild means that if you’re a goal scorer we want you to be a offensive/defensman if you’re a solid defenseman we want you to jump up into the play and shoot more.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17700
    #2085380

    I just think GMBG is trying to say whatever he can to justify keeping Rossi in Iowa due to the previously discuss ELC timing reasons, but Rossi is making him look bad by playing so well. He just needs to come out and say it’s a business decision for the long term health of the franchise and be done with it, I’d bet he already had that conversation with Marco…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22492
    #2085400

    I just think GMBG is trying to say whatever he can to justify keeping Rossi in Iowa due to the previously discuss ELC timing reasons, but Rossi is making him look bad by playing so well. He just needs to come out and say it’s a business decision for the long term health of the franchise and be done with it, I’d bet he already had that conversation with Marco…

    I agree with this. Anyone know if the 9 game “clock” applies for playoffs or just regular season? Good to see Boldy back and that pass to Rossi on the breakaway that led to penalty shot was filthy. Rossi penalty shot was straight up dirty!

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17700
    #2085412

    9 game limit applies to regular season & playoffs, so any 9 games total. It doesn’t make sense to bring him up towards the end of the season just to get him his 9 games and then send him back down before the playoffs… they should call him up now to help get through at least 9 games without Ek… maybe the plan is to do so after the Classic?

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8431
    #2085449

    Fans are getting fired up for Rossi and Boldy, but I’m pretty confident Billy G doesn’t feel the heat. He’s going to keep feeding BS lines about earning it and playing a certain way until he feels like bringing them up, and then he’ll say they finally earned it! Boldy will be first call up when they need a wing, he would have been all season if not for the two injuries. Rossi will be interesting to see when they use his 9 games. After the WC makes sense with JEEK hurt right now. Using one of his precious 9 games on a frigid temp outdoor game would not make sense, so I’m glad they aren’t doing that.

    I just hope Billy G doesn’t do to Rossi what Fletcher did to JEEK. Fletcher gave JEEK 9 games where he played really well and then sent him down. But then brought him back for playoffs/end of season and burned the year anyway.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11575
    #2085456

    This is just a complete failure by the IIHF and whoever is running that tournament. It’s pretty obvious by now that for an event like that they either need to completely bubble it off or be ready to accept a few positive tests and move on. They did neither and now the World Juniors is cancelled. My guess is Canada Public Health mandated the testing procedures and protocols and the IIHF didn’t want to pay for creating a bubble.

    Massive Canadian Burecratic Cockup is the takeaway I got from reading the Atletic’s postmortem. The only thing missing is the Canadians blaming the US for the entire thing.

    By holding the Juniors in the middle of Nowheresville, teams had to be doubled up in hotel rooms with no way to go to one person per room because there wasn’t the space. It also sounds like the teams were sharing hotels with all kinds of weddings and other outsiders, so it was inevitable that the COVE would get brought in.

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2151
    #2085457

    I just think GMBG is trying to say whatever he can to justify keeping Rossi in Iowa due to the previously discuss ELC timing reasons, but Rossi is making him look bad by playing so well. He just needs to come out and say it’s a business decision for the long term health of the franchise and be done with it, I’d bet he already had that conversation with Marco…

    I agree for the most part and I’m sure Rossi is fully aware of the ELC situation without BG telling him as much but doesn’t mean he has to be happy about it. BG damn well better be having honest discussions with these players about what he says and what he means. Otherwise he is at great risk of losing their trust going forward.

    Rossi has to know that on nearly any other team in the league he would already be on the big boys club. A kid with his ambition, talent and work ethic it has to bother him to play in the AHL just because of a contract situation that he had nothing to do with.

    Beckmann certainly earned his chance in training camp and never sniffed it. All the while BG repeating the same chorus line “You have to earn it”. Even if Beckmann got sent back down after five games he at least got the chance that he had earned and that BG promised. Just puts a little taint on BG.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17700
    #2085466

    Beckman has been playing mostly 4th line in Iowa, that’s likely not going to happen unless his play (or lack of) is determining it… on the Rossi side of things, he’s still only played about 25 total hockey games in the past 18 months or so… there’s ZERO chance GMBG didnt talk with him before the season and charted out a development path and team/organization dynamics.

    All that being said, imo it makes more sense to bring him up for his 9 games right now with Ek out and then he can be sent back down afterwards knowing what else he needs to work on to get ready for the NHL next year…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22492
    #2085474

    The impression I get from seeing everything Rossi has done personality wise I don’t think this is phasing him one bit. I do agree with Ek being out a couple weeks it makes sense for those games to come soon.

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2151
    #2085494

    I’m not referring to where Beckman is playing now. He was clearly the best prospect and better than some of the roster guys in training camp. He clearly earned his chance at that time and didn’t get it as promised.

    So Deano and the boy’s got three year extensions. Anyone hear how much Deano got?

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11548
    #2085502

    BG has stated many times he believes in development of young players. Unlike the wild teams in the past that took their prospects and put them in the NHL right away. He is the GM he frankly doesn’t need to tell them squat. I am sure he has had development discussions with all of them. Probably multiple times. Plenty of guys from that draft who have not played in NHL yet or only have a few games. Byfield, Holtz, Perfetti, Quinn all have 6 NHL games to none to this point.
    I get their is contract angles here but I don’t think time in the AHL has hurt someone’s development.

    Besides it wasn’t that long ago that a non teenager basically rag dolled Rossi almost breaking his face.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17208
    #2085503

    IIHF may be cancelling the remainder of the World Juniors… what a joke.

    They fly in teams from across the globe, throw them in hotels open to the public, and then say ok shows over due to 4 **FOUR** positive tests… what a clown-show.

    So I’ve been reading more about this today and I came across something else.

    The Michigan Wolverines were scheduled to play in the annual Great Lakes Invitational against Michigan Tech and Western Michigan. They currently have 5 players missing due to the world juniors.

    Several days ago, they just up and cancelled their game against Western Michigan. Their head coach said “out of an abundance of caution, we are withdrawing our team against Western Michigan.”

    At first, people thought it was covid-related. Well apparently its not. They are simply backing out of their game with WM because they’re afraid to play them. What a bunch of pansies. They played their game against Michigan Tech, why can’t they play against WM? The answer is obvious. If they don’t play, they can’t lose. And if they can’t lose, then their pairwise ranking won’t be affected. It should be counted as a loss forfeit and affect their ranking.

    Here’s the story/summary:

    Whether Michigan’s decision really is an egregious flouting of circumstances and/or poor sportsmanship, is up to debate. But the decision undoubtedly looks horrible.

    In case you missed it, Michigan announced it could not play its Dec. 30 game against Western Michigan. Its reason? “(D)ue to health and welfare protocols.” A phrase so vague as to be meaningless. Michigan has denied repeated attempts to elaborate.

    Mean time, Michigan is still scheduled to play Michigan Tech on Dec. 29 — the day before — in the other GLI showcase game.

    It begged — and still begs — the immediate question: If Michigan is in such bad shape, how is it able to play Dec. 29 and not Dec. 30?

    The easy conclusion is that Michigan is ducking Western Michigan, a top-end Pairwise team that nearly swept the Wolverines earlier in the season. Michigan has five prominent players out at the World Juniors — major star players. WMU is intact. Taking a loss here could hurt its Pairwise, and Michigan doesn’t want to take the chance.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8431
    #2085562

    BG has stated many times he believes in development of young players. Unlike the wild teams in the past that took their prospects and put them in the NHL right away. He is the GM he frankly doesn’t need to tell them squat. I am sure he has had development discussions with all of them. Probably multiple times. Plenty of guys from that draft who have not played in NHL yet or only have a few games. Byfield, Holtz, Perfetti, Quinn all have 6 NHL games to none to this point.
    I get their is contract angles here but I don’t think time in the AHL has hurt someone’s development.

    Besides it wasn’t that long ago that a non teenager basically rag dolled Rossi almost breaking his face.

    Exactly, let them cook in the AHL and be stars as soon as they step into the NHL. Rossi, Boldy, and Addison are such important players to the team’s future that they need to do whatever is best for those players’ development. BG has straight up said they’re all ready to be NHL players, but they’re not coming up until they’re ready to be IMPACT players. They’re held to a different standard than guys like Dewar and Shaw which I think is great.

    So do you guys think it’s better for them to play 20 minutes a night dominating the AHL this season or get limited middle 6 minutes in the NHL? I liken it to a 1st year peewee who’s good enough to be a depth player on the A team or be the best player on the B team. I say let the kids dominate a lower level.

    Russo’s takes are hilarious and I think what fuels the fanbase’s fire on this. He comments about how the previous core prospect group (Granny, Coyle, Brodin, Dumba, etc.) all came up too fast and didn’t get enough time in the AHL. NOW he’s all about “jeez what more can Rossi and Boldy do to prove themselves in the minors”. He’s really great at pulling the strings on fans’ emotions!

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17700
    #2085594

    I’m fine with them marinating in the minors all season, it then only gives Boldy & Addison 1 season to produce for their 2nd contract demands (likely 2-3 year $2aav bridge deals) which helps the team during the big $14 million caphit years, but the team could really use Rossi right now with Ek out. I do think they’ll call him up for his 9 games AFTER the Classic, no need to debut him Saturday with all the added pressure…

    fishinfreaks
    Rogers, MN
    Posts: 1154
    #2085795

    So with the new rules, is Brodin in or out for tomorrow. First tested positive Monday. Been asymptomatic. Saturday is day 6.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8431
    #2085847

    Happy Winter Classic Day!

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    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2085967

    They look like they are skating in mud.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17208
    #2085968

    This is a real sinker unless you’re a Blues fan. Just not a good effort.

    belletaine
    Nevis, MN
    Posts: 5116
    #2085970

    They look like they are skating in mud.

    My thoughts exactly. Wondered if it was the lighting.

    What’s the TNT deal? Not even on locally on NBC or anything.

    Dan
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3762
    #2085971

    The on-ice product is very lacking but the whole presentation has been great tonight, I’ve really enjoyed watching. 100% kudos to Thomas Rhett too, comes up from down south and doesn’t complain or back out.

    Brady Valberg
    Posts: 326
    #2085972

    Typical minnesota…forgot how to play the last 3 weeks…what a joke

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8431
    #2085973

    The team looks completely helpless in the D zone without Spurgeon and Brodin. Cam is getting absolutely peppered with grade a chances… and he’s not stopping them. Embarrassing game for the Wild.

    The scene and the production have been fantastic… super cool to have the WC in Minnesota and they knocked out outta the park. The team just stinks tonight.

    Swimjiggin
    Burnsville/Willmar
    Posts: 177
    #2085974

    This is embarrassing, good showing not so Wild!! Talbot needs to pull the stocking cap over his mask!

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11548
    #2085985

    The team looks completely helpless in the D zone without Spurgeon and Brodin. Cam is getting absolutely peppered with grade a chances… and he’s not stopping them. Embarrassing game for the Wild.

    The scene and the production have been fantastic… super cool to have the WC in Minnesota and they knocked out outta the park. The team just stinks tonight.

    Agree no spurg or Brodin really hurt. Was at the game the setting was pretty awesome.

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    tswoboda
    Posts: 8431
    #2085987

    Agree no spurg or Brodin really hurt. Was at the game the setting was pretty awesome.

    Was?!?!

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11548
    #2085990

    Yeah seen enough after 2 periods and my beer freezing. Went to the bar to watch the third. Bathrooms were comical. Looked like a triage center with people taking boots and shoes off stuffing them with heat packets. Most were dressed for the cold but saw several people where I said to myself what are you thinking. Saw one guy in the bathroom with ankle socks on.

    Player Intros were pretty cool.

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