2022 MN WILD/NHL THREAD

  • tswoboda
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    #2072445

    There’s something lost in translation here, right? Multiple too many men penalties in a game is absurd, but FIVE is just unbelievable.

    Side note, Khusnutdinov only played 3 minutes and has been on 4th line since SKA got another NHLer back. Volkov and Gusev have each pushed him a line down the depth chart.

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    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2072457

    There’s something lost in translation here, right? Multiple too many men penalties in a game is absurd, but FIVE is just unbelievable.

    Side note, Khusnutdinov only played 3 minutes and has been on 4th line since SKA got another NHLer back. Volkov and Gusev have each pushed him a line down the depth chart.

    boxscore shows 5, pretty crazy… league wide the KHL doesnt like playing youngsters, so the icetime he got early on was pretty rare and the former NHL failures/KHL stars they signed now getting his minutes. He’ll leave for the World Juniors camp soon anyways…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2072501

    Gudreau just kills any offensive rhythm when he plays with skilled players, he needs to be on the 4th line…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11592
    #2072503

    He actually has good hands and can skate but dude can’t net.

    How do you not love Duhaime…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11592
    #2072510

    Good win against a good team. Nice to see kappo play well. They need him to get back on his game. It’s a long season.
    Man Barzal can skate.
    This team is starting have a little bit of the IT factor.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2072511

    What’s scary is they are scoring mostly without Kaprizov and Fiala…. If those guys start heating up like they should, watch out, but its still a wip on the 1st two lines, the “bottom 6” are carrying this team…

    Ek starting to look like the Ek of years past lately…lots of whiffs and misses on point blank chances…

    1st powerplay unit appeared to have a pulse tonight….

    Islanders are a damn good team…defensive as hell, Barzal is top 10 in the league

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2072512

    Duhaime has really impressed and it looks like his game still has alot of untapped potential to grow into. Imagine that, the Wild’s development system is actually starting to produce some players that are exceeding their proposed potential! That’s what the good org’s do!

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11592
    #2072513

    Ek brings so much more than just filling up the box score. His stick is all up in everyone’s business. Ek is one of the last guys I am worried about.

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2161
    #2072523

    Ek brings so much more than just filling up the box score. His stick is all up in everyone’s business. Ek is one of the last guys I am worried about.

    Agree Ek has his value even when not scoring. Kaapo played well last night which was probably the most important take away from the game.
    Five goals without Fiala or Kaprizov figuring in on any of them. Grant it two unassisted empty netters. Eleven games in and Hartman leads the team with goals. I don’t think anyone would have guessed that. Reminiscent of when Brodziac led the team in scoring for a good chunk of the season.

    #2072536

    My takeaways from the game:

    Brodin is becoming a star in front of our very eyes.
    Hartman is good at hockey.
    Duhaime has a very bright future with us.
    Kaapo played very well against a very skilled team.
    The team plays so much better with Zucc
    Can we flip rask for a 5th rounder or something?
    Dumba made some risky defensive plays I wasn’t a huge fan of, but played decent anyways

    I legitimately think that we can make a deep playoff run this year, but our first PP unit has to get it together. Goaltending could also improve a little bit, but overall we played well against a team with proven playoff success.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2072543

    I’ll probably get railroaded for typing this post, so let me preface by saying I don’t see how they could do it with his recent annointment of being a alternate captain and the good vibes the locker room seems to have, but Dumba has been increasing his trade value quite a bit sofar with his good play, maybe its time to trade him? I know it’s not a popular choice, but there’s ZERO chance the Wild can resign him after next season…he’ll likley command a $8+ aav contract and the Wild doesn’t have the capspace with Fiala/Sturm/Boldy/Addison and others all needing new deals in 1-2 years, Addison has proved he is ready to move into a top 4 slot. We also have Lambos/Hunt/O’Rourke/Peart that will all be knocking on the door for playing time in the next 2-3 years…

    When does GMBG make the move? Would Dumba’s value be higher now with another year left at $6 cost certainty or next year at the deadline as a rental?? Ron Francis was scouting last nights game, a young offensive D-man is likely on his list of wants for the Kraken…they have the cap space and draft picks to make a deal….

    Just saying…GMBG will need to strike while the iron is hot at some point, not a popular decison, but at some point the bandaid needs to be ripped off…

    OR

    Do you re-sign Dumba for the $8+aav over 6-8 years (what he could likely get as a UFA) and Addison replaces Goligoski next year? This most likely eliminates your ability to resign Sturm and others though, you also need to protect yourself IF Boldy/Beckman/Rossi take off as players and can command a larger 2nd contract..

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11592
    #2072546

    Dumba for 8 mill? Not a chance I would sign him for that.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8517
    #2072557

    I only saw the first 5 minutes and last 15 minutes so last night was a total beat down on a good team from my perspective. chased They even had a really good PP in the 3rd and I didn’t see the PK but looks like the Isles never got set up. Depth continues to win them games and nice to see Kaapo get a W. He needs to start playing a lot more!

    I’m in the concerned camp for JEEK. His overall game has been good and yes he doesn’t need to score to be a factor, but his scoring was a huge bonus last year. It’s not about finishing either, he just isn’t getting the chances he got last year at 5v5. Only 1 of his 4 goals are at 5v5. I will say he looks a lot better and back to his normal hard forechecking self playing with Foligno and Fiala.

    Dumba has been a stud this year, his game has been all around outstanding. There’s no chance the team can afford to give him a raise, but there’s also no way they trade him during this season so they have time to figure all that out. I think they either give him a 2-year cheapish extension this summer or he’s traded during the off-season.

    Can’t help but start to wonder about what Tomas Hertl would cost for this season. It’s a pure rental trade but would absolutely solidify the forward group and give them a legit scoring 1st line.

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2161
    #2072558

    Seems Dumba has at least one ugly turnover every night and so far he has been lucky they haven’t found the back of the net. Kaapo saved his butt last night when Dumba turned it over nearly right in front of the net.

    I agree with Joe I don’t see how the Wild sign him unless they get rid of some prospects in other trades. I sure would hate to see that happen to facilitate keeping Dumba. But now that he wears the A is apparently a favorite amongst his teammates and the coach and front office seem to love I’m not going to be surprised if we see some sort of creative machinations to keep him in the fold.

    Ice Cap
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    #2072564

    I don’t see how we criticize Ek about not scoring when the elephant in the room is Fiala and Kaprizov. Ek has twice the number of goals either one has and has played better overall then either. KK just does not have the speed and intensity he did last year. He looks to be improving at times but he is just not getting the time and space he was last year. No more freewheeling in the O zone on the edge of his skates this year. Fiala seems to be much more active and engaged then KK but just can’t get it in the net. I get the feeling Fiala is going to break out before KK.

    tswoboda
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    #2072571

    So because Fiala/KK aren’t scoring that means we can’t talk about anyone else not scoring? We’ve spent plenty of time hashing those 2 out, and I’m not going to give a disclaimer every time I want to talk about someone else’s struggles. I’m comparing Ek’s game this year to his game last year and he’s absolutely not generating the chances he did last year at 5v5. That is concerning to me, although he has looked better with his new linemates.

    The people who want to see Dumba for his turnovers will only see him for that. There’s a big chunk of the fan base that just obsesses over the fact that he turns the puck over more than the other D, and doesn’t seem to care at all that he also creates a lot more offense than the other D as well. He’s an offensive D and turnovers are part of that, just look at the NHL giveaway leader board every year.

    CaptainMusky
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    #2072578

    There are going to have to be some changes moving forward to some veterans on this roster in order to make room for the young guys in the years to come and their more bargain contracts.
    Dumba has and always will be one of the top candidates. Spurgeon and Brodin got long term deals and are solidified into this team which IMO makes Dumba expendable.
    I like the kid, his game has warts but who doesnt? The fact he has a letter shouldnt absolve him of trade speculation. Timing? I dont think they would trade him mid-season unless they got an offer they couldnt refuse. Their goal is to push for the playoffs and as they sit right now they are better off with him. The emergence of Addison does open some doors there as well. I really dont think they would do an in-season trade.

    CaptainMusky
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    #2072579

    So because Fiala/KK aren’t scoring that means we can’t talk about anyone else not scoring? We’ve spent plenty of time hashing those 2 out, and I’m not going to give a disclaimer every time I want to talk about someone else’s struggles. I’m comparing Ek’s game this year to his game last year and he’s absolutely not generating the chances he did last year at 5v5. That is concerning to me, although he has looked better with his new linemates.

    I agree, we have spent countless pages talking about Fiala and Kaprizov not scoring but very little about Ek. Im not overly concerned about his lack of scoring provided the rest of his game doesnt tail off too much which I dont think it has.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2072580

    It’s a super tough decision to trade Dumba, but one that will likely be neccesary. He has an injury history, so i’d bet he only wants a long term deal, especially at 28 years old next year this is likely his last shot at a homerun contract. The only thing I think GMBG is countering the need to trade Dumba argument with is that Goligoski is likely done after next year, so then you’d be replacing 2 of your top 4 defenseman with really only Addison ready to move in… Maybe GMBG can talk Dumba into signing a “Hartman” like hometown discount deal, but it will likely then require a longer or max term to make it worthwhile to Dumba…Do you think Dumba can stay healthy until he’s 35-36 years old? I have my doubts based on his play style and the numerous close call knee/ankle injuries he’s had over the past few years…

    Carson Lambos has been wripping up the WHL sofar this season, he’s likely only 1-2 years away from fighting for a Wild spot and like Addison, putting him on the 3rd D pair doesn’t make any sense to fully utilize his skillset…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2072583

    My only point about Ek is that the past 4-5 games hes been making alot of “old” Ek plays vs the “new” Ek scoring touch we’ve seen the past 60 games when everyone annointed him the 1C… It’s a small sample size mixed in with alot of roster changes due to injuries/covid, but something to keep an eye on…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2072584

    There are going to have to be some changes moving forward to some veterans on this roster in order to make room for the young guys in the years to come and their more bargain contracts.
    Dumba has and always will be one of the top candidates. Spurgeon and Brodin got long term deals and are solidified into this team which IMO makes Dumba expendable.
    I like the kid, his game has warts but who doesnt? The fact he has a letter shouldnt absolve him of trade speculation. Timing? I dont think they would trade him mid-season unless they got an offer they couldnt refuse. Their goal is to push for the playoffs and as they sit right now they are better off with him. The emergence of Addison does open some doors there as well. I really dont think they would do an in-season trade.

    I agree an offseason trade is likely best for the team, I was just wondering if his value drops at all being in the last year of his deal vs traded now? Brodin would likely assume his letter….

    I’m also really curious who Ron Francis was scouting last night? I don’t really see the Islanders trading away any roster players as they are built for a cup run this year, could GMBG have started some conversations with Francis involving Dumba, Sturm, Rask or Fiala? Not sure who else legitimatly available the Kraken might be interested in with Greenway not playing?

    tswoboda
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    #2072591

    I had hopes Dumba would take a team friendly deal until I looked up his agent this morning. He’s got Craig Oster @ Newport Sports – the same firm that represents Fiala, The Tkachuks, EK65, Pietrangelo, Jeff Skinner, etc. Biggest agency in the league and it’s who Fiala hired to get himself paid. Addison also has Oster.

    The problem at D is that besides Addison there’s no Duhaime, Dewar, Boldy, Beckman, Rossi banging down the door for an NHL spot. Hunt, O’Rourke, & Lambos are all good prospects but still a long ways from St. Paul and there’s a very real chance only 1 of them ever makes it there full time. Lambos looks like the real deal but he’s also playing on the best team in dub and maybe the whole CHL. Winnipeg is the definition of a Juggernaut… averaging over 5 goals per game and less than 2 against. Just destroying teams.

    CaptainMusky
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    #2072595

    That snipe from Duhaime was a thing of beauty. Man did they come out swinging in the third last night. These comeback wins are exciting, but that will catch up to them in the long run. Its nice to know they can come back. Ek and Zuccs were snakebit on the PP last night. Ek had 2 prime chances on the one PP and just shanked it.

    CaptainMusky
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    #2072607

    I was just looking at the standings and the wild have a 1 goal differential and are 8-3. So take out last nights game they would have been 7-3 with a negative goal differential? That’s not a good stat. -)

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8517
    #2072634

    I was just looking at the standings and the wild have a 1 goal differential and are 8-3. So take out last nights game they would have been 7-3 with a negative goal differential? That’s not a good stat. -)

    Goal differential almost directly correlates with the standings by the end of the season, so that’s definitely reason to be cautious about this early season success. But if you peak at the underlying numbers, they paint a much nicer picture that pretty much exactly matches what we see watching the games:

    5v5 xGF% – 58% – (1st BY A LOT)
    PP GF/60 – 6.28 (24th)
    PK GA/60 – 8.30 (12th)
    Team Save Percentage – 0.889 (28th)
    PDO – 0.979 (25th)

    Dominant 5v5
    Middling to poor special teams
    Bad goaltending/puck luck

    What fancy stats can’t show is the intangibles or the “IT factor” as someone called it. And this team has absolutely shown they are ready to compete know how to win.

    CaptainMusky
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    #2072636

    Yeah I don’t get too caught up on some stats but their special teams definitely need to get better. PP was slow to get going last year too. We’ve talked about it but who’s responsible for the PP? Hendrickson? They did have some good looks last night especially the one midway through third.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
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    #2072669

    It’d be awful nice if last nights solid performance from Kappo regains some of his confidence back. I don’t think we want to ride Talbot into the ground this season, personally. I think he will get back close to where he was last year but I don’t want to see him starting 65 games.

    tswoboda
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    #2072814

    So does this mean case closed? Or what happens with the SafeSport investigation now? I assume NDA’s were signed by all parties.

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    CaptainMusky
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    #2072819

    I would think the SafeSport investigation would continue as it was independent of the Skalde lawsuit since they are conducting an investigation pertaining to USA hockey.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
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    #2072822

    I would think the SafeSport investigation would continue as it was independent of the Skalde lawsuit since they are conducting an investigation pertaining to USA hockey.

    My guess is that the higher ups in USA hockey will make a few calls and put pressure on Safesport to drop the case after there was an agreed to settlement with the plaintif….is that the right thing to do? No, but it seems to be how these types of cases work…money & influence = power

    There will probably be some sort of quiet “donation” made to Safesport’s cause as an incentive…

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