2022 MN WILD/NHL THREAD

CaptainMusky wrote:

Yeah, I meant the trade proposal #2. #3 is quite the haul though, but I know nothing about those guys.

gotcha… I think proposal #3 was meant as a throw in a ton of unproven picks & prospects vs proven players type of option deal…but with the contracts we already have on the books, the Wild don’t need draft quantity, they need draft quality…
it’s like our current flood of good defensive prospects (Lambos/Peart/Hunt/O’Rourke/Masters) no obvious elite talent stands out (maybe Lambos is best of the bunch) and we won’t have 3-4 Wild roster spots for guys with the same skillset…

Yeah if ever there were a chance to get the #2 it’s this year. Fiala is the Wild’s biggest trade piece since Burns and the Devils want him. like said Devils are stacked with young centers so they’re certainly going to think about it. I wondered what it would take to get just that #2 pick. I think it starts with Fiala + #24 pick + something more

I just did a search for Fiala trade rumors and these two Islander fans had a hot take about a trade scenario and it was ludicrous. They obviously didnt do any research regarding MN cap situation because they wanted to trade Varlamov to the Wild in one scenario. LOL The one also poopooed the proposal of Bellows, #13 to Wild for Fiala. Bellows is not good.

tswoboda wrote:

Yeah if ever there were a chance to get the #2 it’s this year. Fiala is the Wild’s biggest trade piece since Burns and the Devils want him. like said Devils are stacked with young centers so they’re certainly going to think about it. I wondered what it would take to get just that #2 pick. I think it starts with Fiala + #24 pick + something more

We could add one of our plethora of prospect D guys, just preferably not a right shot one.

Yeah I don’t like #3 trade proposal – Fiala is a difference maker so I hope they take a shot at getting a difference maker in return, not a bunch of potential depth players/prospects. Hope they shoot for quality over quantity in this trade, meaning a top 10 pick or Holtz level prospect as the centerpiece of any trade.

Fiala would probably enjoy playing next to fellow countryman Hischier.

tswoboda wrote:

Yeah if ever there were a chance to get the #2 it’s this year. Fiala is the Wild’s biggest trade piece since Burns and the Devils want him. like said Devils are stacked with young centers so they’re certainly going to think about it. I wondered what it would take to get just that #2 pick. I think it starts with Fiala + #24 pick + something more

Getting a proven goaltender is on the Devils offseason wish list, while they might desire a younger starter vs Talbot, but that won’t come nearly as cheap…I think Fiala + Talbot could get it done and maybe even include a 2nd or 3rd round pick coming back to the Wild as Cam could likely fetch a good pick at the deadline next year if they decide to unload him…Devils have 3 young goalies that one could easily fill the Wild’s backup void created by moving Talbot…

CaptainMusky wrote:

We could add one of our plethora of prospect D guys, just preferably not a right shot one.

Do we even have any right shot prospects?

**Don’t even say Addison – he’s not allowed to be traded

tswoboda wrote:

Do we even have any right shot prospects?

Simon Johannson and Kyle Masters are the only RH D prospects with any chance of making the NHL someday…

forgot to mention regarding wanting a 2023 1st round pick instead of a 2022 because of the improved draft class…No NHL GM is going to trade away that pick without at least top 5 protection on it at the very minimum…more likely top 10 protection…so the dreams of getting a 2023 1st round pick that magically turns into a top 3 pick with lotto luck ain’t happening…

tswoboda wrote:

Do we even have any right shot prospects?

**Don’t even say Addison – he’s not allowed to be traded

Going back to your comment about the wild potentially drafting that smurf D man. I saw some videos of him and he sure does find a way to make it through traffic and has a wicked shot. I think Wheeler had him at #19 in his rankings.

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
Do we even have any right shot prospects?

**Don’t even say Addison – he’s not allowed to be traded

Going back to your comment about the wild potentially drafting that smurf D man. I saw some videos of him and he sure does find a way to make it through traffic and has a wicked shot. I think Wheeler had him at #19 in his rankings.

I’ve seen Hutson projected end of 1st round or no chance he gets out of the 2nd… He’s trying to join an exclusive group of a small defenseman that are successful in the NHL (Hughes/Krug/Spurgeon/Girard) Krug is a good example of how a tenured pro can develop a small frame with some bulk and muscle…

He’s been telling scouts his doctor said his bone growth is slow for his age and they fully expect him to grow 2-3 inches in the next few years…

He set scoring records for defenseman in the NTDP program… thats not easy to do…

JoeMX1825 wrote:

forgot to mention regarding wanting a 2023 1st round pick instead of a 2022 because of the improved draft class…No NHL GM is going to trade away that pick without at least top 5 protection on it at the very minimum…more likely top 10 protection…so the dreams of getting a 2023 1st round pick that magically turns into a top 3 pick with lotto luck ain’t happening…

This is right. The Wild would want protection as well against the Devils wrecking the deal by becoming better than expected and therefore handing the Wild a 20-something overall pick.

Bumping back to the 2023 draft would involve too many complications. I can’t see it happening.

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
forgot to mention regarding wanting a 2023 1st round pick instead of a 2022 because of the improved draft class…No NHL GM is going to trade away that pick without at least top 5 protection on it at the very minimum…more likely top 10 protection…so the dreams of getting a 2023 1st round pick that magically turns into a top 3 pick with lotto luck ain’t happening…

This is right. The Wild would want protection as well against the Devils wrecking the deal by becoming better than expected and therefore handing the Wild a 20-something overall pick.

Bumping back to the 2023 draft would involve too many complications. I can’t see it happening.

I’ve never heard of that type of pick protection (if the team giving up the pick does better than expected)

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I’ve never heard of that type of pick protection (if the team giving up the pick does better than expected)

Well in the case of the Wild and the Fleury trade, if Fleury had 4 wins in the first 2 rounds the Hawks would have gotten a 1st Round pick instead of a 2nd, so yeah it does happen.

I think Grouse (sarcastically) meant protection for the Wild. Something like if the Devils 2023 1st is #20 or later then they’d have to add an additional 3rd or something weird like that.

I said Hutson earlier just so I could watch the tears of Wild fans as they freak out over a small defenseman. But I really do think he’s going to be a stud – He and Nemec have Fox/Hughes potential IMO. I think this draft is similar to 2017 where the D will be the stars.

And just like that the champs tied the series.

tswoboda wrote:

And just like that the champs tied the series.

I think the Rangers lost their chance to win this series. Too much experience and skill. If TB gets Point back they are going to win it all. World’s best goal tender against the flamethrowing Avs will be fun to watch.

tswoboda wrote:

I think Grouse (sarcastically) meant protection for the Wild. Something like if the Devils 2023 1st is #20 or later then they’d have to add an additional 3rd or something weird like that.

Oh, I see. Yeah, I dont think that has ever happened but let BG be a trendsetter!

The other intruiging thing about Hutson is that he won’t join Boston University until the 2023/2024 season, so he’s likely a looooong play prospect…

here’s a shift that tells you who he is – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkT4hocMYqc I see alot of Quinn Hughes in his game…

Elite Prospects is wrong… He’s starting at BU next season, 2022-23, with his older brother.

tswoboda wrote:

Elite Prospects is wrong… He’s starting at BU next season, 2022-23, with his older brother.

that makes sense, I was clueless why he would delay it..

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
And just like that the champs tied the series.

I think the Rangers lost their chance to win this series. Too much experience and skill. If TB gets Point back they are going to win it all. World’s best goal tender against the flamethrowing Avs will be fun to watch.

Agreed. I think the AV’s will choke if TB makes it to the finals.

AK Guy wrote:

Agreed. I think the AV’s will choke if TB makes it to the finals.

Boy, I don’t know about that. The Avalanche have been rested and they will be much fresher when the Finals starts than whoever they play. I just think they are also a superior team, regardless of who they play. I will admit that they will be up against a much better goal tender than who they previously played in their first 3 series, so they likely won’t be putting up 5 goals/night.

I am not sure who is going to come out on top in the Tampa-NY series. Technically NY is the higher seed with home ice and that often comes into play but only when you get to game 7. Obviously game 5 is very pivotal.

gimruis wrote:

The Avalanche have been rested and they will be much fresher when the Finals starts than whoever they play. I just think they are also a superior team, regardless of who they play. I will admit that they will be up against a much better goal tender than who they previously played in their first 3 series, so they likely won’t be putting up 5 goals/night.

I am not sure who is going to come out on top in the Tampa-NY series. Technically NY is the higher seed with home ice and that often comes into play but only when you get to game 7. Obviously game 5 is very pivotal.

Rest or Rust? The Avs seem like a team that needs to play regularly to keep their game. With their goalie situation in flux I dont have high hopes for them to outscore whoever they play. Tampa has the edge in net, so does the Rangers. The Avs may have the offensive firepower, but their goaltending will be the x factor. Who knows what you are going to get with Kuemper when healthy and that other dude is not that experienced. Vasy has played about the same number of playoff games as he has played NHL games LOL

CaptainMusky wrote:

Rest or Rust?

I hear ya. Could be either one. In their previous series, they came out with some pretty good jump even though they hadn’t played for a while. I could see them jumping all over their opponent in game 1.

I don’t see a scenario the Devils give up the 2nd overall. Those high of picks just don’t get traded often,
so I would be real happy if they could get Holtz.
Some big point FA’s this off season that will be interesting to see where they land along with some strong RFA’s that have good chances of being moved. Guess we will know in less that 30 days.

Ripjiggen wrote:

I don’t see a scenario the Devils give up the 2nd overall. Those high of picks just don’t get traded often.
Some big point FA’s this off season that will be interesting to see where they land along with some strong RFA’s.

normally yes, but if they dont like Slofkovsky at #2 then they will appear to reach and lose some perceived value taking one of the 2 Defenseman because they have ZERO interest in taking another center when they drafted two #1 overall the past few years… ideally they trade back to 4 or 5 and take the same player they would have at #2 and get some picks in return… That’s a scenario I think where they could decide to just trade it outright instead…

Have to think that Tampa is going to close out NY in game 6 at home now. The Rangers have showed some resilience coming back in their previous series, but the Bolts are the 2-time defending champs. I’d be quite surprised if they pulled it off a third time.

gimruis wrote:

I’d be quite surprised if they pulled it off a third time.

I wouldnt. Granted it hasnt happened for a very long time (Islanders 4 in a row from 79 to 83), this team just seems to find a way to get it done. Best goalie in the world and theres a chance the Point comes back. If he does and is healthy that’s a game changer for them. Where’s MPLSPUG? I dont think we’ve seen much from him lately!?

Bigtime players show up in bigtime games… its gonna be a fun cup finals