he problem with trading Fiala is he is a UFA after next season. Teams are going to want to have a extension in place for him before a trade. Otherwise who is going to want to trade a high round draft pick for a one year and possibly gone player.
GMBG will likely give Fiala’s agent the ability to talk to other teams interested and hence start to negotiate the long term deal he wants and the trade happens once a deal is figure dout. Billy just did this with McBain’s agent…
Do we honestly think NJ would give up the #2 pick? That seems pretty hefty to me but if we could swing that it would be awesome.
The reason that New Jersey has been mentioned as having serious interest is that they have SOOO MANY very young prospects from picking top 5 in the draft for what seems like the past 5-7 years that they want an established star who’s already past the prospect phase to work in with the young guys. The other thing to think about is if you’re drafting top 5 so many years in a row, it will become almost impossible to afford them all in consecutive years as they all come off their ELC’s… They are already starting to run into it with Hischier and Hughes signing huge extensions, you then have Dawson Mercer, Alex Holtz, Luke Hughes, Mackenzie Blackwood and other prospects in the near future…I think they would rather use the $7-$8 that Fiala will want long term on an established player vs $4-$6 on bridge deals for guys who still have questionmarks on their game…
The other Devils option if they won’t give up the #2 pick is to see if they’ll trade Alexander Holtz. He’s a RIGHT SHOT Winger who’s a pure sniper…a HUGE hole on the Wild’s lineup.. His ELC is able to slide to start next year as well….
Just my opinion…
That all makes sense, but I am still wondering if they would be willing to give up a top 2 pick.
That all makes sense, but I am still wondering if they would be willing to give up a top 2 pick.
I agree, their thinking might be they are absolutely set at Center for the next decade with Hischier and Hughes signed longterm and Defense with Hamilton, Hughes and the Russian kid, maybe they see more value in Fiala to play with them right now, vs rolling the dice on drafting somebody like Slafkovsky who’s 1-2 years away…
Honestly, I’d rather have Alexander Holtz as he fills HUGE gaps in our lineup….
Dont know much about the kid, but being a Right Shot and having 2 more years at 925k is certainly appealing.
Dont know much about the kid, but being a Right Shot and having 2 more years at 925k is certainly appealing.
Oh he’s been on the World Hockey radar for years, he and Lucas Raymond owned the World Juniors 2 years in a row for Sweden. The kid is an absolute sniper, I beleive he had about a ppg in 50 AHL games, something like 26 goals?
Just shy of PPG and yes 26 goals. That is pretty impressive.
I don’t think NJD would do Fiala for the 2nd OA pick straight up – doesn’t make sense to me anyway. Holtz should be the target from NJD. For context he was drafted a few spots higher than Rossi in the 2020 draft and outproduced him in the A this year, also as a rookie. They have completely different strengths obviously, Holtz is all about offense and has an elite shot. He has 3 years left on his ELC – $850 p. bonuses just like Rossi.
Regardless of the exit pressers, I think Cam Talbot could be in play with the Devils – they are desperate for a solid goalie.
Him and Lucas Raymond just clowned against teams their 2 years in the WJC… and again he’s a right hand shot sniper… it’s a pipedream to get him, but who knows…
I don’t think NJD would do Fiala for the 2nd OA pick straight up – doesn’t make sense to me anyway
I think it just comes down to how much they like the big wing Slafkofsky, otherwise the next 5-7 players in the draft are all Centers or Defenseman and New Jersey is absolutely stacked in those positions…it’s also why I don’t think they want to give up Holtz at all…
Regardless of who they target with the pick, I think they ask for more than just Fiala for the 2nd OA. Like Fiala + pick or Fiala + Talbot. Player for lottery pick trades are so rare that it’s hard to gauge the exact value or find comparable trades.
Its settled then. Fiala/Talbot for Holtz and #2 OA.
Wild need centers as well. They have one true one on the big club. Hoping Rossi makes that two but center is what they should be targeting imo.
Wild need centers as well. They have one true one on the big club. Hoping Rossi makes that two but center is what they should targeting imo.
I dont disagree with you but BG has been very consistent about saying “no need for a true 1C”. Whether he really believes that or not remains to be seen. And they dont come without a hefty price.
Wild need centers as well. They have one true one on the big club. Hoping Rossi makes that two but center is what they should targeting imo.
Agreed and Logan Cooley is the consensus #3 ranked prospect (Gopher Recruit) but he’s only 5’10, Matt Savoi is the next ranked center at #6 but he’s a tiny 5’8″. Conor Geekie is a freakishly tall 6’4″ Center ranked in the teens but he has some warts on his game…Rossi is 5’9″, do we want another undersized center prospect?
BG may think/say that. Doubt he was going to say that well we can’t win without one either. The series against the blues and the teams that are still playing should tell him otherwise. Not saying they will get a true 1C out of any deal as more likely it’s a pick or prospect but it’s much easier to move to wing than it is to center. Center is where this club struggles.
Would you rather have a center prospect with a Sam Reinhart ceiling or a winger with a Jason Robertson ceiling? They do need centers but if they’re trading for kids they should target whoever has the highest upside, regardless of center/wing. Position of need changes fast and who knows what the team looks like by the time that kid is in their prime. NJD has Dawson Mercer if they wanna go after a center – 2020 mid 1st rounder that played a full NHL season this year.
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Wild need centers as well. They have one true one on the big club. Hoping Rossi makes that two but center is what they should targeting imo.Agreed and Logan Cooley is the consensus #3 ranked prospect (Gopher Recruit) but he’s only 5’10, Matt Savoi is the next ranked center at #6 but he’s a tiny 5’8″. Conor Geekie is a freakishly tall 6’4″ Center ranked in the teens but he has some warts on his game…Rossi is 5’9″, do we want another undersized center prospect?
Well they would be replacing Freddy Hockey and Hartman who not exactly giants.
Would you rather have a center prospect with a Sam Reinhart ceiling or a winger with a Jason Robertson ceiling? They do need centers but if they’re trading for kids they should target whoever has the highest upside, regardless of center/wing. Position of need changes fast and who knows what the team looks like by the time that kid is in their prime.
I don’t disagree that they need to take the best deal, but like you said they are kids and pigeon holing one to be Reinhart or Robertson is a bit of a stretch. Honestly if I got this years production from Reinhart, I’d take Reinhart.
Yeah because he’s playing wing this year!
Those guys are 6′, which allows more frame to build on…I think Cooley will be fine once he builds out his frame (think of Braydon Point), he has a strong/wide skating stance that helps his balance and allows him to stay upright, it’s Savoe i’m worried about, he’s tiny… Geekie is a wild card, if he can build out his frame he could be a stud…
I know we all love Bruno here but how is he a Jack Adams finalist. He took over a team that was undefeated 3 weeks into the season. And for Gallant he has a team riding the coattails of the best goalie season since prime Carey Price.
I guess it doesn’t matter because that’s Sutter’s to win anyway.
Same thing was said about Geekie’s brother Morgan. He didn’t have the draft hype but same profile, tall lanky kid with stick skills but not a great skater. Savoie’s big bro Carter looked thick playing for DU.
That Ice team is bonkers, both Savoie and Geekie are getting shown up in the playoffs by 2023 draft eligible Zach Benson.
Yeah because he’s playing wing this year!
Which is another reason I think the analogy is silly.
So is Reinhart getting more points because he is at wing and can’t play center or because he is on a NHL team loaded down the middle vs an AHL Buffalo.
I agree with you guys that they make the best trade possible to get the best return.
I am just saying I would be asking for center prospect and settling for wing as they are still weak down the middle and light at depth and acquiring veteran wings vs centers are obviously much easier later on.
Ok it’s because he’s playing wing for a team that averages 5 goals a game! Funny that Florida is considered deep down the middle when their 2nd line center is Sam Bennett (yes, Flames 4th liner Sam Bennet) and 3rd line center is rookie Anton Lundell who was considered either Eriksson Ek 2.0 or Mikko Koivu 3.0 at the draft.
For all the Nick Seeler fans:
(read the comments)
Maybe Lundell was pigeoned holed as well already has more goals than Mikko ever did in a season. 
How many wings do the have playing that were center vs centers that were formerly wings?
Hey I was all in on Lundell at 9 until Rossi and Perfetti fell. Bennett played wing for 6 years in Calgary 
I’m not disputing FLA is good down the middle this year, just saying you woulda never said that coming in to the season. They’re no Crosby-Malkin McDavid-Draisaitl-Nuge or Staal-Koivu-Hanzal
Staal-Koivu-Hanzal
LMAO
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
Wild need centers as well. They have one true one on the big club. Hoping Rossi makes that two but center is what they should targeting imo.I dont disagree with you but BG has been very consistent about saying “no need for a true 1C”. Whether he really believes that or not remains to be seen. And they dont come without a hefty price.
BG says a lot of things and then his actions are different. I’m happy with this team right now and I like the way we are playing. That was just before trading for D-Lo, Middelton and Fluery. You have to earn your spot it’s not given. Ask Beckman how that worked out.
No need for a true 1C is another one. That’s what you say when you have no way possible of acquiring one.
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