Especially with Ek dishing from behind the net between his legs. 
Really like Duhaime game. Pretty fast skater.
Rossi is really hesitant.
Beckman just shoots no matter what. Love that he never bothers to look for a pass inside the blue line. He is faster than I thought as well.
Haven’t noticed Boldy yet to comment.
Start of the third and the Wild should have this game out of reach considering the line ups. Chicago kids are showing well of themselves against a largely veteran line up. Much like the Colorado kids did.
Ah crap. Boldy hurt. Got tangled up with a couple guys and couldn’t put any weight on it going back to the bench.
Rossi starting to look pretty comfortable out there the more the game goes on.
Boldy just seams slow in person. You could tell he was getting frustrated. Missed the injury but doesn’t sound good.
Duhaime can flat out fly. Bangs a lot and is pretty fun to watch.
Kind of like Merrill plays a pretty calm game for how big he is and he is big.
Rossi played better in the third but he still watches the play a lot. He was on the wing some so that may have been part of the reason.
Bjugstad makes Rask look like Gretzky.
Kirby Dach is huge. Well his brother is too.
I think the young guns quiet play tonight made GMBG’s decisions a little easier to send them down to Iowa. Rossi has got better each game he’s played in, which is to be expected for somebody who’s missed as much time as he has. Didn’t even notice Beckman tonight and Boldy started playing well in the 3rd before he got injured, hopefully its nothing major…
They all need time in Iowa…
Duhaime is ready. His speed is noticeable. Bjugstad is just a giant pylon.
Would actually like to see him skate with Fiala a little as he can actually keep up skating wise with him, but probably not happening.
Fiala needs someone so bad.
KK was just practicing stick handling tonight and was fun to watch.
So I made it a point to watch Gudreau last night and was not impressed at all. I guess he could be a serviceable 4th line but that’s his ceiling… Fiala and Boldy looked like they were the only Wild forwards on the ice most shifts as Gaudreau was never in the same frame with them on the tv.
Hopefully Boldy just did a toepick or something and rolled over his ankle? I didn’t see any major collision that would result in a major knee injury, but sometimes strange things happen and a ligament gets torn with a light but awkward impact, hopefully thats NOT the case, but his reaction wasnt good…
AFTER watching some replays of the Boldy injury it looks more and more to me like a high ankle sprain …if that’s the case (fingers crossed) it’s a minor injury BUT one that can very easily be re-injured for the next several months, especially playing hockey…
My “never going to happen” dream of the Wild somehow getting Alexander Barkov are over, he’s signing a 8 x $10 contract extension with Florida today… /cry
I’ll still argue the NHL needs to do something about teams that are in states with no income tax… it basically allowed Florida to sign Barkov at a cheaper aav because he knows in doing so he’s banking alot more of that salary in Florida vs a state like MN that would tax the hell out of it…
Joe we tried telling you there was zero chance for the last 9 months. Now you can finally lay it to rest, thoughts and prayers buddy.
Do other major sports complain about the no state tax? I get that’s it’s not totally insignificant but it’s nothing new and been that way forever. Seems like NHL fans have been really obsessing over it since Tampa’s stars have started taking discounts. The difference between Florida and MN is like 10% and that’s only for home games. So the Wild would have to give $10.5m AAV instead of $10.0m for the same take home salary. On a $1m contract it’d be an extra $50,000.
Joe we tried telling you there was zero chance for the last 9 months. Now you can finally lay it to rest, thoughts and prayers buddy.
Do other major sports complain about the no state tax? I get that’s it’s not totally insignificant but it’s nothing new and been that way forever. Seems like NHL fans have been really obsessing over it since Tampa’s stars have started taking discounts. The difference between Florida and MN is like 10% and that’s only for home games. So the Wild would have to give $10.5m AAV instead of $10.0m for the same take home salary. On a $1m contract it’d be an extra $50,000.
Yes, it’s mostly a star player salary level discount cookie that’s actually about $1 yearly difference (MN vs FL) on a $10 aav contract due to overall state tax rates (income tax is about 75% of that rate), but if you take that 10-14% discount across the entire team and it’s hugely significant. I’m just wondering why if we have a salary cap in place (that’s watched like a hawk by the league to unsure teams don’t circumvent it) to ensure teams all have the same playing field limit to sign players, why isn’t the state income tax differences taken into effect? It seems like everyone KNOWS its an issue, but just accept it because there’s really no easy way to resolve it UNLESS EVERY team has their own custom cap limit based on the tax rates?
So in the Barkov contract example, he’ll make about $8 MORE total in FL than he would if he signed that exact same contract in MN…
Has it always been this way? Don’t Canada teams pay their players in US dollars to help alleviate the currency differences?
Update – I found this old article that goes into it pretty well, I don’t know if all of this is fact though… – https://oilersnation.com/2018/07/10/comparing-nhl-player-contracts-based-on-city/
Joe I appreciate your attempt at math but it’s not correct.
Minnesota top tax bracket is 10%. Players pay that for 41 home games per season. So the difference between MN and FL is effectively 5%, or $4m on a $80m contract.
Joe I appreciate your attempt at math but it’s not correct.
Minnesota top tax bracket is 10%. Players pay that for 41 home games per season. So the difference between MN and FL is effectively 5%, or $4m on a $80m contract.
I’m basing that number on the article I linked to (that referenced a no longer working link capfriendly created chart as it’s source) the author spent alot more time figuring it all out vs my train of thought posting after reading the Barkov presser…my bottom line argument – There’s a definite salary cap advantage for states with 0 income tax rates (Vegas, Florida, Texas, Tennessee) which doesn’t make much sense when the league plays hardball with any cap circumvention…
I guess my question is how is this different than any other sport.
I guess my question is how is this different than any other sport.
My guess is that it’s not, but from a every team on a equal playing field perspective, it only really effects leagues with hard caps (NHL/NFL)
Scenario: Florida GM’s selling pitch to a perspective FA Player A “Our lower $9,000,000 aav rate offer pays you exactly the same as Minnesota’s higher $10,000,000 aav rate offer” Player A signs with Florida and they still have an extra $1,000,000 to work with…
And so do the teams from NFL and NBA (I think)
We get snow in Minnesota and have higher heating bills. I mean where do you draw the line.
If you are not using every angle to sign guys then you are not doing your job. Find a different angle for the wild then.
More or less sounds like if we can’t beat them then we are just going to complain about how they are better than us cuz they are cheating.
And so do the teams from NFL and NBA (I think)
We get snow in Minnesota and have higher heating bills. I mean where do you draw the line.
If you are not using every angle to sign guys then you are not doing your job. Find a different angle for the wild then.
More or less sounds like if we can’t beat them then we are just going to complain about how they are better than us cuz they are cheating.
I included the NFL and NBA/MLB has a luxury tax if teams go over the cap that I don’t want to figure out as I believe it ultimately goes back to the other teams? so who knows if there’s tax deductions with that?
Every state has +/-‘s and can be very different from each other, cost of living, climate, etc etc… but something major like a State income tax should be an assumed expense as they pay it for their away games thanks to Michael Jordan (again there are only 4 states that don’t have any) so there should be some baseline metric (take an average of all 50 sates to be fair to everyone) that is applied into the cap equation otherwise there’s a distinct advantage from a salary perspective when applied over the entire team’s salaries…
Players pay the tax rate of whatever city they’re in for away games. Joe the article you linked even states the tax rate is only for home games. Did you read it?
So do you think the NHL should put a handicap on the salary cap for teams based on local income tax? Is that your solution here?
How about cost of living too. I mean housing, whether renting or buying is going to be double in San Jose compared to somewhere like Winnipeg.
How about local endorsement deals? Pretty sure Toronto and New York players have a big advantage over Columbus in that aspect.
Every market has its pros and cons… some a lot more of one than the other. It’s like that in every major sport and no one cared until this weird herd thinking vibe took over NHL fans where they all need to complain about Tampa Bay being too good.
Players pay the tax rate of whatever city they’re in for away games. Joe the article you linked even states the tax rate is only for home games. Did you read it?
So do you think the NHL should put a handicap on the salary cap for teams based on local income tax? Is that your solution here?
How about cost of living too. I mean housing, whether renting or buying is going to be double in San Jose compared to somewhere like Winnipeg.
How about local endorsement deals? Pretty sure Toronto and New York players have a big advantage over Columbus in that aspect.
Every market has its pros and cons… some a lot more of one than the other. It’s like that in every major sport and no one cared until this weird herd thinking vibe took over NHL fans where they all need to complain about Tampa Bay being too good.
yes, I see my $ values were off as I assumed the chart was factoring in the road games, but that doesn’t change the advantage, just the amount of advantage… Yes, I think handicapping capspace based on state income tax should happen, it’s free capspace…My argument is/has been all about capspace, it’s a locked value that 4 teams are allowed to basically exceed by signing lower contracts than 28 other teams that carry the same value (some more than others)
I don’t want to get into other possible factors like endorsements/living expenses, etc (because they are unique/different for every single individual person and their personality) but the home state income tax rate is something everyone but 4 states deal with… I don’t have the answer on how to solve it, just saying it’s enough of a factor that it matters…
I remember when Point signed his recent extension and the NHL Network guys joked “He loves that no income tax in Florida” It would be nice to see a breakdown of a total team payrol based on income tax rates…I’m guessing it’s probably around a $2-$3,000,000 savings for each of the 4 teams against the remaining league average…
Boldy getting an MIR at 11:30 today, I guess we’ll get an update this afternoon…
Boldy getting an MIR at 11:30 today, I guess we’ll get an update this afternoon…
I think all we will get is its a Lower Body Injury. I sure hope its nothing serious because what terrible way to start the season.
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Boldy getting an MIR at 11:30 today, I guess we’ll get an update this afternoon…I think all we will get is its a Lower Body Injury. I sure hope its nothing serious because what terrible way to start the season.
That’s what Evason said this morning, I think we’ll get clarity if it’s a season ending injury or not…
Apparently someone saw Boldy in a boot that was well below his knee so that is a good sign if true BUT if its a high ankle sprain those take a long time to recover from. It would almost be better if it were broken I think. It was an awkward play for sure.
Do we know which leg he injured? Watching the video again I do not like how his right foot flopped when he fell to the ice.
left leg/ankle… I speculated high ankle sprain earlier and while it’s not a damaging injury, it’s one that takes awhile to get better and is so easy to have setbacks from skating….it appears like he was stopping and then ran into the hawk players skate and rolled over the ankle..
I personally know the pain of that injury and the many setbacks that can happen when rehabbing, the simplest skating moves you’ve made your entire life skating can re-injure it in a blink of an eye…
great article from Russo on Ek today, i’ll admit he’s growing on me as a player (again I think he’s the perfect 3rd line center)
My favorite quote from Evason talking about not seeing Ek walk around with a big head after signing his contract: ““You can’t get $hit out of his mouth, so how do you know,” coach Dean Evason cracked after Friday’s practice. “He just smiles. I joked about his haircut and he just smiled and looked at me like I had two heads and then walked away. If you can talk to him, that’s great because I can’t.”
Rask was 13th forward today with Pitlick taking his LW spot on the Fiala line. Duhaime 4th line LW. Guessing that will be the opening night lineup.
Agree. Thought Rask might swap with Bjugstad. Honestly this line up gives the most flexibility early on. Rask can fill in a number of spots LW3 C3 LW4.
Was really hoping to see Beckman get a shot with Fiala but signing Pitlick kind of sealed that. In the short term anyway.
Lines 2-4 should have some motivation to not want to watch the game next to Russo.
This will be a fun team to watch. Hoping for the best for Boldy.
Congrats to Duhaime on making the team! Greenway can see the writing on the wall…
He is going to be a fan favorite.
Boldy fractured ankle. This is about the best outcome for what looked to be a bad injury. Far better than ACL or perhaps even a high ankle sprain.
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