2022 MN WILD/NHL THREAD

I’m the first to admit I’ve never been a Dumba fan. He’s always come with his gaffs. He could never decide if he wanted to play offense first or defense first. He was/is in love with his own shot and he would often times step up at the wrong time to try to take that shot. He was on a scoring roll when he hurt his pec and he’s been trying to get it back ever since and often times to his own detriment.

Maybe he has but I don’t recall coaching staff ever calling Dumba out for his glaring turnovers while Fiala has been called out by Evason and BG more than once. And being the biggest Fiala apologist next to tswoboda that built into my animosity towards Dumba as well. Is that bias or just calling it as I see it? Maybe it’s the same thing. But I’ve been consistent, I haven’t liked Dumba from the get go.

I’m not discrediting Dumba’s physicality but when he makes a move and a guy skates around him or his turnovers is what I’m getting at. I’d also much rather see Addison over Benn but as the season has gone on I dont think we will see that.

The problem with you Dumba haters is that there is no suitable replacement. He’s a right handed shot, and has a rocket. Players like that don’t grow on trees. Right handed shots are extremely valuable, and one that has such a lethal shot is like striking gold. Even if he misses the net sometimes or is a defensive liability at times. His value is worth more than his blunders.

It’s kinda like barking about getting rid of Kirk Cousins. There is literally no better option.

Dumba with his current production could be replaced at a lower salary cap IMO. When he peaked prior to injury, I would agree he would be difficult to replace. He has regressed tremendously. Im not a Dumba hater. I was when he was very young, but he has improved, but since that injury he hasnt been the same and his offense doesnt outweigh the mistakes he makes anymore.

tswoboda wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
I retracted my statement as I am not 100 percent sure as it’s hard to find the logged minutes. I read it somewhere that he was not and now I can’t find it so I pulled it back. He definitely is not a defensive guru however.
But stand by my other statement.

Unfortunately AHL doesn’t publish time on ice stuff. I saw the lineup card that had him on 3rd pairing but he was also with Smoky Joe Hicketts who’s been one of their best veteran D-men so I wouldn’t put much stock in where the social media graphic had them.

The kid needs to learn how to defend the rush and block shots. But he’s so smooth in transition and breakouts that I can’t believe they don’t make room for him. He’s the kind of D that makes skilled forwards better.

I guess that is my point. I get the Dumba haters at times, but I don’t think Addison at this point is going to be some kind of shut down D especially in the playoffs.
It’s like we are too weak in front of the net one week by the fans and then the next it’s stick a guy who is 5 foot 120 lbs because that is going to help move guys.
To me Addison is more of a spurgeon replacement than a Dumba.

KP wrote:

I’m not discrediting Dumba’s physicality but when he makes a move and a guy skates around him or his turnovers is what I’m getting at. I’d also much rather see Addison over Benn but as the season has gone on I dont think we will see that.

Again I would rather not see either this year as that means we are down 2 d men and I can assure you that won’t last long in a playoff series.

I cant speak for Addison’s defensive play in Iowa, but he’s routinely on the scoresheet every game…

Yeah, he’s nearly a pt per game player in the AHL.

No doubt..The PP definitely helps.

Is Addison a better option than Ben no doubt.

Is Addison better fit option in the playoffs this year iver the 7 D if healthy. I don’t know about that.
If it was so evident wouldn’t you think they would make that move as an organization. I mean the moves at the deadline sure would indicate they want to make a run.

Just think it’s funny that that before the deadline the d needed to get bigger and stronger by all the fans.
Now they are all like who needs Dumba bring up a smaller weaker D to play the rough and tumble blues or preds.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

I cant speak for Addison’s defensive play in Iowa, but he’s routinely on the scoresheet every game…

So is Kyle Rau…

Im not suggesting they play Addison over Dumba if he is healthy. I agree too that if Addison is going to be on this team long term, I dont think he is supplanting Dumba, except for PP perhaps. He would be sliding into someone else’s spot. 13 games left? A lot can still happen to the standings, but they have to do better within the division starting tonight!

I saw an interesting metric on twitter earlier I think it was put together by Dom consonant. It was Player rankings that when they are on the ice the xGF for the team. Josi no surprise, but the #2 guy certainly was. Goligoski.

His plus minus would certainly indicate that yes.
Guessing that’s also why they signed him to two more years.

CaptainMusky wrote:

I saw an interesting metric on twitter earlier I think it was put together by Dom consonant. It was Player rankings that when they are on the ice the xGF for the team. Josi no surprise, but the #2 guy certainly was. Goligoski.

We he gets some time to recharge his batteries he can still be effective, he was good to start the season, then hits a wall after 20 or so games, he then got a few breaks (Covid break, All star break, 3 healthy scratches) and plays well again afterwards, if the Wild can afford to, he’ll likely get the last 2 games of the season off as well. This will no likely be his pattern the next 1-2 years (chunks of games followed by a break)

gim wrote:

He’s a right handed shot, and has a rocket

This is my biggest complaint with the argument to keep Dumba, his “Rocket Shot”

It is NOT an asset for him anymore, he can’t hit the net to save his life and they don’t use him on the powerplay anymore so he RARELY gets a chance to wind up or setup a 1 timer…

After 3 years of not scoring I think it’s safe to say Dumba’s days of being a scorer are done. I think he’s still a good defenseman (with warts) overall but his shot is irrelevant.

Having said that, I’ll put another $$million on him scoring 20 goals next season if they don’t extend him this summer. It’s a contract year, and the contract year bump is very real.

JoeMX1825 wrote:

It is NOT an asset for him anymore, he can’t hit the net to save his life

Lol in the mighty ducks, how often did Fulton hit the net? 1 out of 5. That was worth keeping him on the team according to Coach Bombay.

I am just happy we dont have Suter wristing one into a guys shin pads on every dang shift.

Is JEEK just a bad penalty killer or what’s the deal there? He and Foligno got lit up the first 5 games of the season too. That’s 5 in a row he’s been scored on…

CaptainMusky wrote:

I am just happy we dont have Suter wristing one into a guys shin pads on every dang shift.

X2

For as bad as we were outplayed, i’d call a 1-1 period a win…

Ripjiggen wrote:

His plus minus would certainly indicate that yes.
Guessing that’s also why they signed him to two more years.

Plus/Minus stats ranks right there with face offs stats.

Not even close…sorry

Ripjiggen wrote:

Not even close…sorry

Yeah I wouldn’t fall too in love with plus minus stats. Guy could be just coming off or getting on the ice when a goal is scored and they had nothing to do with it. Happens more than you would think.

Brodin and Kulikov have been terrible together

Ice Cap wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
Not even close…sorry

Yeah I wouldn’t fall too in love with plus minus stats. Guy could be just coming off or getting on the ice when a goal is scored and they had nothing to do with it. Happens more than you would think.

No it doesn’t. The coming on coming off will wash itself out over the course of a season. Is the Goose the only anomaly on the list. Maybe.
Comparing them to face leaders is about as ridiculous of a statement as there is.

I was simply stating his expected goals for when on the ice correlates with his plus minus. Not a surprise.

Let’s take a quick look at the the plus guys in the league vs the top teams for face offs.. how you doing MN and Col.

Statistics are for losers- Bud Grant. All statistics are skewed for one reason or another. I don’t even know where you guys come up with all these analytic charts and graphs. End of the day it’s a game played by humans right? If we put all our belief and faith into the charts and graphs and stats we wouldn’t even need to play. My opinions are based off years of watching and what my common sense tells me.

Yeah I guess goose just happend to just fall on the ice 38 plus times more when the puck was in the net.
My opinions are based of years of playing not watching.

Not sure why you jump the comment in the first place was simply stating his plus minus correlates with his on ice goals for that captain was surprised by.

Lol plus minus and faceoff percentage aren’t analytics or fancy chart stats. Just look the 10 best teams in plus minus compared to the 10 best teams in face off percentage… which teams do you think are better?

The knock on individual plus minus is it’s so dependant on who they play with. The same player is going to have a lot different plus minus playing with Spurgeon than they would playing with Jordie Benn. And that’s exactly why Goose’s is skewed so high. But it’s still relevant to an extent. No one is saying that means he’s the best D on the team.