The problem with unloading Dumba from a strategical perspective is that the only other right-handed shot on defense left is Spurgeon. Right handed shots are rare and a hard one on defense is even rarer, even if he misses the net sometimes. They aren’t a dime a dozen. In all honesty that’s probably what is keeping him around, even if that’s not the reason being relayed publicly.
The problem with unloading Dumba from a strategical perspective is that the only other right-handed shot on defense left is Spurgeon. Right handed shots are rare and a hard one on defense is even rarer, even if he misses the net sometimes.
True but they have Addison and a couple other young prospects that are right shot. Addison should be on the big club all year next year. Im not suggesting he slot into Dumba’s slot in the pairings, but certainly on the PP I would put him there.
Speaking of PP, Dean going back to just rolling lines with 2 D. I dont particularly care for that move, but it has been floundering a bit see what it does.
Addison should be on the big club all year next year. Im not suggesting he slot into Dumba’s slot in the pairings, but certainly on the PP I would put him there.
I agree. By next season he may be a suitable replacement. I think they’re stuck with Dumba for this season now.
This VGK/Dadonov situation is just fascinating to me. Sounds like the trade is getting voided according to insiders. If that’s the case, VGK is still under the cap as long as Stone and Martinez remain on LTIR. This move was for them to get Stone back on the ice and into the playoffs.
If the trade does get voided, look for VGK to still trade Dadonov to a team not on his NTC. I think there’s 14 teams that could fit him under the cap this season (including the Wild) but he’s still under contract next season. The price is going to go way up… like 1st round pick plus plus. Most teams would probably throw the towel in for the season, but that’s very un-Vegas like.
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If they do trade him he wont be able to play at all correct since it is after the deadline? There are Vegas fans defending the team by not knowing his NTC status. That is ludicrous. Honestly that is a fire-able offense to me good Lord how do you make that mistake? If you can easily find it on Capfriendly why wouldnt the team be able to look it up? Dumpster fire.
If they do trade him he wont be able to play at all correct since it is after the deadline? There are Vegas fans defending the team by not knowing his NTC status. That is ludicrous. Honestly that is a fire-able offense to me good Lord how do you make that mistake? If you can easily find it on Capfriendly why wouldnt the team be able to look it up? Dumpster fire.
Trades can happen upto the last day of the season, it’s just any player dealt AFTER the deadline is out for the playoffs…
update – I just read a tweet by Agent Allan Walsh stating players traded AFTER the deadline are oout for BOTH remaining regular season and playoff games for their new team.
side note – I love all of the positive press Capfrienldy is getting through all of this, I really hope that site never goes away…kudos to the guys running it..
If traded after the deadline they’re out for the playoffs AND the remainder of the regular season. Thus the Dadonov trade price going WAY up.
If traded after the deadline they’re out for the playoffs AND the remainder of the regular season. Thus the Dadonov trade price going WAY up.
Yeah, that is what I thought. If Vegas is successful they are going to pay dearly which I am here for every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
dude, I just read the Russo article “Wild Fired Up After Trade Deadline Investment” and it got me fired up! great writing, it sounds like this team has never been closer and the new guys are perfect fits…
I also read the part mentioning Fiala, yeah it sounds like he must have already told GMBG he’ll want big $ thus pushing himself out for a trade… I’ve heard Ottawa wants him bad, but I feel like their top prospect Jake Sanderson is too valueable to give up so it’s likely just a draft picks trade
dude, I just read the Russo article “Wild Fired Up After Trade Deadline Investment” and it got me fired up! great writing, it sounds like this team has never been closer and the new guys are perfect fits…
That article really fired me up too. All the comments about the lockerroom and comments from the new guys are really favorable.
Don’t hold your breath on Dumba. Billy G sounds like his mind is made up on the off-season cap-situation, and all signs point to Fiala getting traded.
Spending money on Greenway, Merrill was the first indication BG already had a off season plan concerning Dumba and Fiala. Then spending money on Jost pretty much sealed the deal. Dumba stays Fiala goes. The only thing that may change things is if Fiala has a monster post season. Fiala and Boldy have both cooled off the past few games so maybe the chemistry is cooling as well.
I think Fiala brings more in assets than Dumba and we know how BG loves his assets. The other thing could be Fiala may have indicated through his agent he wants to move on after this season. I don’t agree if it’s fact that is that BG having a plan set in stone for the off season already before seeing where this team goes is the best approach.
I’ve heard Ottawa wants him bad, but I feel like their top prospect Jake Sanderson is too valueable to give up so it’s likely just a draft picks trade
Sanderson would be a great pickup, or Auston Watson and some picks.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
I’ve heard Ottawa wants him bad, but I feel like their top prospect Jake Sanderson is too valueable to give up so it’s likely just a draft picks tradeSanderson would be a great pickup
They aren’t giving him up, Sens fans think he’s the next Bobby Orr… but they’ll likely have a top 10 pick in this draft, that would be nice 
They aren’t giving him up, Sens fans think he’s the next Bobby Orr… but they’ll likely have a top 10 pick in this draft, that would be nice
Oh I know he is definitely on their no trade list for sure. They have a ton of picks and yes, a top 10 first would be handy.
That Russo article also got me all fired up! Russo really is a great writer and I’ve said it before but he is the one of the main reasons why I subscribe to the Athletic.
That Russo article also got me all fired up! Russo really is a great writer and I’ve said it before but he is the one of the main reasons why I subscribe to the Athletic.
He is the only reason I initially signed up, but now I follow a lot of other writers.
He is the only reason I initially signed up, but now I follow a lot of other writers.
Same here.
I think a Fiala trade should look very similar to the Sam Reinhart trade. Protected first and an A/B level prospect.
Same here.
I think a Fiala trade should look very similar to the Sam Reinhart trade. Protected first and an A/B level prospect.
I believe so too, but isnt Reinhart value a tick higher because he can play center?
Don’t want to get too far out in front of ourselves but we are speculating already so what would the possibilities of both Dumba and Fiala go? Could open up some very interesting scenarios. If Fiala’s gotta go I would like to see Dumba gone as well. As it is I look at Dumba and think Tuch now it will be Tuch and Fiala, both players with more upside to a team than him but he continues to stick here.
As Rip said a hundred times leading up to the deadline. If not now, when? This was the perfect storm for the Wild to make a splash at the deadline, and the cool part is they did it without giving much up.
1. The team is good enough with the big horses to compete for a cup.
2. Tons of cap space this season.
3. Expiration date on the current lineup due to upcoming cap-hell.
4. Loaded prospect pool and draft picks for trade assets.
5. Tight-knit, mature team that will welcome and embrace the newcomers.
#5 specifically has been mentioned numerous times by Billy G and it’s probably part of why they did nothing at the deadline last season. The energy boost to the team was pretty evident last night, but it doesn’t always go down that way. It can absolutely have the opposite effect, and we’ve all seen it first hand. It’s exactly what happened in 2017 after the Hanzal trade. The locker room couldn’t handle a couple new guys coming in and the team imploded.
I believe so too, but isnt Reinhart value a tick higher because he can play center?
Maybe, but Fiala is a lot more skilled offensively and has better production recently (leading up to the trade). They were mentioned a lot as a potential 1-for-1 trade before Reinhart went to Panthers last summer.
Don’t want to get too far out in front of ourselves but we are speculating already so what would the possibilities of both Dumba and Fiala go? Could open up some very interesting scenarios. If Fiala’s gotta go I would like to see Dumba gone as well. As it is I look at Dumba and think Tuch now it will be Tuch and Fiala, both players with more upside to a team than him but he continues to stick here.
If you want my speculation, Billy G has zero plans to trade Dumba. I think his plan is to extend Dumba this summer on an AAV that starts with a 4, maybe $5.0m max. The deal could happen any time between July 1, 2022 and June 30, 2023.
This is so refreshing from Deslauriers, “Nobody should be standing there”, compared to what we have been used to, Spurgeon et al negotiating with the opponent as they beat our goalies, avoiding eye contact so as not to insight conflict. We have the softest D core in the league, aside from infrequent bomb hits by Dumba. Never any messages sent by our D, opponents allowed to maul our goalie while our D tug on jerseys. It is disgraceful.
I cant recall how early I was taught to protect my goalie. I am quite a bit older than D-Lo but I am glad SOMEONE out there is still teaching players some of the old school rules of hockey that still matter.
As far back as Squirts I was told to knock anyone down or hit anyone that touched my goalie. All the way through youth, High school and juniors I had coaches telling me to clean house. I am sure some of you heard it, “Touch the goalie, pay a price”.
In Junior my coach was a former Sioux and Blackhawk player, he was awesome, and ornery. He took that Message to a new level sharing tips on how to actually give guys lasting “impressions” in front of the net.
If Middleton adds another layer of fear to what D-Lo brings, the ice will open up even more for our skill guys, our goalies will be safer and see pucks better.
Should be fun to watch.
What I love about the recent trades isn’t the micro-picture of the players acquired/traded, it’s the macro-picture:
We FINALLY have an A-league General Manager in BG here in MN for the first time in franchise history.
I look at these moves that have been made in the last week and I see a GM executing on a real strategy, not just a trade-n-pray approach that the past boneheads pulled off to give us blockbusters like the Hanzel deal.
And in the process, Guerin is driving hard deals and not getting taken to the cleaners. All accounts say Chicago demanded an unconditional R1 for Fleury and had said take it or leave it. Guerin didn’t just bend over and take it like past Wild GMs always did, he went back and got the player he wanted AT THE PRICE he wanted to pay. Just read the outside-the bubble commentary on these trades, nobody is saying MN was anything but the winner in these deals.
MAF was an awesome move. I think the Wild got great value in getting Jost from the Avs. Middleton move looks good. And as good as those 3 moves were, Deslauriers looks even better still. 4 deadline deals that make sense and nobody saying the Wild got fleeced in the process. When has that ever happened before? It hasn’t.
The MVP is GMBG.
If you want my speculation, Billy G has zero plans to trade Dumba. I think his plan is to extend Dumba this summer on an AAV that starts with a 4, maybe $5.0m max. The deal could happen any time between July 1, 2022 and June 30, 2023.
I’m having a hard time figuring out why Dumba even deserves that salary? What does he bring to the lineup vs say Kulikov? 1 big hit every 5-10 games? a goal every 5-10 games? We have loads of players who provide leadership (Hartman, Zuccarello, Ek, Brodin, Kaprizov at some point) He was rewarded with his current contract based on goal projections off a good contract season, he hasn’t lived up anywhere near that projection, he’s an often injured defensive liability and he turns the puck over far too much…You would think after 8 season in the NHL his decision making would get better, but you could argue this year it’s been the worst…Trade what you can get for him this offseason and give Addison next year in his spot before you need to make a decision about extending him…
The MVP is GMBG.
We were all wondering how BG would put his stamp on this team. Some werent convinced about buying out ZP and RS, but look what that has allowed us to do! We will have a tough 3 year stretch and that will be a real test for BG, but he has certainly transformed this roster and as you said it, has a bonafide plan that we can see coming together. He has never strayed from what he has said since Day 1. Focus on character guys, you see what he has done with it and it speaks volumes.
I think it also has a lot to do with the players they could get and got.
I mean who wouldn’t want D-LO and Flower in the locker room and on the team. Maybe Kakko…Bye and Bjugstad. Bjugstad and Dewer know they will probably get there shot in the lineup at some point as well.
As far as Middleton upsetting the heard. Have to imagine Goose Merril and Kulikov just want to win at this point in their careers.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
The MVP is GMBG.We were all wondering how BG would put his stamp on this team. Some werent convinced about buying out ZP and RS, but look what that has allowed us to do! We will have a tough 3 year stretch and that will be a real test for BG, but he has certainly transformed this roster and as you said it, has a bonafide plan that we can see coming together. He has never strayed from what he has said since Day 1. Focus on character guys, you see what he has done with it and it speaks volumes.
Helps to have a superstar in KK.
This is so refreshing from Deslauriers, “Nobody should be standing there”, compared to what we have been used to, Spurgeon et al negotiating with the opponent as they beat our goalies, avoiding eye contact so as not to insight conflict. We have the softest D core in the league, aside from infrequent bomb hits by Dumba. Never any messages sent by our D, opponents allowed to maul our goalie while our D tug on jerseys. It is disgraceful.
That is a bit exaggerated IMHO.
Helps to have a superstar in KK.
Of course it does, but remember when people were saying here that they just didnt see superstar in him? So far this season he has shown it for sure. He is going to shatter all the team season records. Exciting times.
^^^Those people were dumb. 
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