2022 MN WILD/NHL THREAD

  • tswoboda
    Posts: 9149
    #2107918

    Let’s for fun take a look at guys that get paid 7 million. Or just under. Let’s throw Fleury out as he is a goalie. Trying not to be biased how many would pick Fiala over the guys on the list. Age obviously plays a factor so let’s say it’s a 1 year deal.
    May as well throw the D men out too I guess.

    I’ll take Seabrooke and Kesler from your group lol. Just look at all that “free” cap space!

    Contracts are a game of comparables, but there’s lot more to compare than just the AAV. Term and RFA/UFA status make a huge difference in the AAV. The Barzal and Matt Tkachuk contracts are both 3 year bridge deals that end with crazy Qualyfying Offers… they would be a lot higher AAV on a long term deal. Nylander is a very comparable player, but the signing situation was way different. He was coming off his ELC and a long ways from UFA status, no leverage for him lead to a nasty hold out. Compare that to Landeskog who was full on UFA when he signed but took a hair cut to stay with Colorado, which he was publicly pissed about. Also have to look at the cap when these contracts were signed so you are comparing percentage of the cap. Example, Bergeron’s contract was 10% of the cap when he signed that deal. So the exact same contract in 2022 would be $8.2m AAV. Bergie’s also a future first ballot HOFer so please don’t think I’m trying to compare him to Fiala.

    One more thing with Kevin… you can’t say oh he started in a slump, just look what his stats would be without that. He consistently goes through those slumps to start every season so you gotta ride the rollercoaster and plan for the average with him.

    If Fiala wasn’t ready to take a team friendly “fair” deal last season, why would he now after another good season? He’s also gotta be legimately worried about getting traded if he does sign a team friendly deal with term. I don’t think he signs for 3+ years on anything less than $7m.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 12634
    #2107926

    Good points TSW.
    I agree can’t compare contract for contract but for the sake of a discussion I think it’s interesting. What I noticed with most on the list is they have hit 30 goals in a season. Not Fiala’s fault the last two years that he hasn’t necessarily but he hasn’t yet. Lots of 5-6 mil guys that hit 20-25.
    The other thing I noticed was the leadership captain portion to a lot of the guys on the list.

    It’s an interesting debate.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9149
    #2107932

    I was going to trash the 30-goal comment because of the covid seasons but looked it up and he actually hasn’t even scored at a 30-goal pace either season. That surprised me.

    He’s roughly 30th in the league among wingers in points per game and points/60 this season and this season has been pretty much on pace with his last 2 seasons. We haven’t seen him play more than 60ish games before so it will be interesting to see if he keeps up his current pace for the remainder of the season. That would inflate his numbers over previous seasons.

    I think the big obstacle last offseason was Kevin wanted long term and Billy G wanted short term. The price for a long term contract goes way up but I can’t see why he wouldn’t be interested in signing a 3 year deal and be a free agent again at age 29. There’s definitely precedence for him to be $5m – $6m on a 3-4 year term if he’s willing to forgo the long term contract.

    Here’s some actual comps (last 2 off-seasons) of mid 20 year old RFA forwards that went medium term:

    Jared McCann: 5 x $5.0
    Kaprizov: 5 x $9.0
    Sam Reinhart: age 25 – 3 x $6.5
    Jakub Vrana: age 25 – 3 x $5.25
    Pavel Buchnevich: age 26 – 4 x $5.8
    Oliver Bjorkstrand: age 26 – 5 x $5.4
    Anthony Mantha: age 25 – 4 x $5.7
    Max Domi: age 25 – 2 x $5.3

    The only 24-26 year old RFA to break the bank on a 3-5 year deal is Kaprizov…. and as we all know Kevin ain’t Kirill.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24505
    #2107934

    First move for the Wild. BG trades Sturm for Jost.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9149
    #2107935

    First move for the Wild. BG trades Sturm for Jost.

    Straight up? If so that’s a sweet trade! I love Jost and have wondered what’s holding him back in CO. He can FLY!

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24505
    #2107936

    Straight up? If so that’s a sweet trade! I love Jost and have wondered what’s holding him back in CO. He can FLY!

    I havent seen anything yet. Happened just a couple minutes ago. Get this Capfriendly has already been updated. Those folks got their crap together man they are good.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 19373
    #2107937

    First move for the Wild. BG trades Sturm for Jost.

    More offensively skilled than Sturm, can play anywhere in the lineup if needed in a pinch, gives the 4th line alot more skill…$2aav next year is decent as he’ll likely have Dewar and another ELC guy with him……

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24505
    #2107939

    Surprisingly he is 2 years YOUNGER than Sturm.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24505
    #2107940

    Something also interesting I thought. The Wild announced that BG will be available to the press at 10:30 tomorrow. Announced before this trade was reported. Not sure what that may be about.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9149
    #2107943

    People forget all the time that Sturm was a 25 year old Rookie. Too bad he couldn’t build off that very good rookie season but he definitely struggled this year. I was hoping/expecting he could step up to a shut down center role but he got caved in every time they tried that this year.

    I see Jost having Hartman potential where he could one day be thrown into the top 6 and take off offensively. He has a ton of speed and skill but for whatever reason just never translated to production with the Aves.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9149
    #2107944

    This has to be a cap dump for the Aves to get Giroux or other rentals before the deadline.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 19373
    #2107945

    People forget all the time that Sturm was a 25 year old Rookie. Too bad he couldn’t build off that very good rookie season but he definitely struggled this year. I was hoping/expecting he could step up to a shut down center role but he got caved in every time they tried that this year.

    I see Jost having Hartman potential where he could one day be thrown into the top 6 and take off offensively. He has a ton of speed and skill but for whatever reason just never translated to production with the Aves.

    He would always get burried on their depth chart and mostly relagated to 4th line, I agree he has the potential to improve offensively, just needs the chance…Gaudreau better not get any panalties and give Jost an opportunity to take a few shifts with Fiala and Boldy…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 19373
    #2107947

    This has to be a cap dump for the Aves to get Giroux or other rentals before the deadline.

    They don’t really need it when Landeskog goes on LTIR…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24505
    #2107957

    Something also interesting I thought. The Wild announced that BG will be available to the press at 10:30 tomorrow. Announced before this trade was reported. Not sure what that may be about.

    Now there is a media availability today at 3. Intrigued by the tomorrow one still.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 19373
    #2107963

    Intrigued by the tomorrow one still

    could just be his last scheduled media presser BEFORE the deadline, so allows the reporters to get their questions in now vs inundating him all next week?

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24505
    #2107974

    Sounds like the stumbling point for McBain is where he “thinks” he should play in the lineup. Russo just replied to someone that McBain thinks he would slot into Ek’s spot. Pretty ballsy and confident thing to say.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9149
    #2107980

    Sounds like the stumbling point for McBain is where he “thinks” he should play in the lineup. Russo just replied to someone that McBain thinks he would slot into Ek’s spot. Pretty ballsy and confident thing to say.

    Reality Check: Nico Sturm had a better NCAA career than Jack McBain.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24505
    #2107981

    Reality Check: Nico Sturm had a better NCAA career than Jack McBain.

    Yep, if he thinks he needs to take Ek’s spot to be on this team he is in for a rude awakening.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 19373
    #2107988

    MOST 4 year College players shine because they have the added maturity (mental & physical) over younger players, McBain didn’t do much in the Olympics against similarly matured players, I don’t expect much from him in the NHL…if GMBG can get a 2nd for him, consider it a steal imo…

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11050
    #2107998

    This has to be a cap dump for the Aves to get Giroux or other rentals before the deadline.

    Probably, but they are looking for size as well. That’s the only negative I see with this trade on our end. Better skills and speed with Jost, just smaller. If this trade was done before the season I’d probably been a little upset with it. After Sturms lack luster season I’m happy to have the change.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 12634
    #2108001

    Sounds like the stumbling point for McBain is where he “thinks” he should play in the lineup. Russo just replied to someone that McBain thinks he would slot into Ek’s spot. Pretty ballsy and confident thing to say.

    I doubt it was in the context he should get Ek’s spot more so as he sees himself as a middle six center and not a 4th line center.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 24505
    #2108002

    I doubt it was in the context he should get Ek’s spot more so as he sees himself as a middle six center and not a 4th line center.

    Why wouldnt he use Gaudreau instead?

    tswoboda
    Posts: 9149
    #2108003

    This trade is the 4th line version of Granny for Fiala.

    Surprised no comments from the faceoff heathens yet…

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11050
    #2108005

    This trade is the 4th line version of Granny for Fiala.

    Surprised no comments from the faceoff heathens yet…

    Funny, that’s the first thing I asked my cousin (huge Avs fan) when I saw the trade. “Can he win faceoffs?” jester

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2245
    #2108006

    McBain may not actually think he slots into Ek spot it may be just a different way of saying he don’t want to be here. Who knows and it doesn’t really matter at this point. The Sturm for Jost deal seems like a pretty lateral move for both teams. Now the question is will one or the other benefit more from the change of scenery?

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 12634
    #2108007

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
    I doubt it was in the context he should get Ek’s spot more so as he sees himself as a middle six center and not a 4th line center.

    Why wouldnt he use Gaudreau instead?

    Not sure didn’t see the quote but would seem his game is more in line with a 3rd line banger role. Wild are a little unique in who is the second line and who is the third line. I mean in an ideal world I don’t think the wild would have Freddy or Hartman in a center role.😂
    Ek is about the only true center they have that starts.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 12634
    #2108009

    This trade doesn’t do much for me except it committed another million bucks away from the overall pot next year. Maybe he can be more of a playmaker and elevate up to the Boldy Fiala line.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 19373
    #2108021

    I just hope Deano loosens his love affair with Gaudreau and tries Jost between Fiala & Boldy…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 12634
    #2108027

    If he doesn’t he’s an expensive 4th line option.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 19373
    #2108032

    If he doesn’t he’s an expensive 4th line option.

    Think of him like a baseball utility player, comfortable and capable filling in on the 1st line or 4th…Sturm was 1 dimensional with no offensive skill…

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