Personally at QB I think they should be taking 2nd-5th round flyers on a QB every year or every other year and trying to develop him. They won’t be bad enough to get a top 3 pick in the foreseeable future, and there is 3 Ponders for every Josh Allen later in the first round.
Actually I like your thinking here. Doesn’t cost you much and someone has to find the next Brady. I for once would like to be excited about the Vikings quaterback
The one problem with this magic idea is all those QB’s are going to have to learn and develop. You are not keeping more than 1 QB3/practice squad QB’s. The amount of reps they get in one season is not a lot. So you are virtually drafting a guy and replacing one every year to throw on a practice squad and cutting the previous one every year. So pretty hard to find the needle in the haystack so to speak when you don’t develop him for more than one season.
They have done this in the past and it hasn’t exactly worked out.
06 T Jack
07 Tyler Thigpen
08 John David Booty
09 Only 5 picks in whole draft
10 Joe Webb
11 Christian Ponder
The amount of starting caliber QBs that are not first or early seconds is so minimal. This is a year or two old but gives you a pretty good idea. Sorry but I doubt there is another Tom Brady scenario happening anytime soon.
So you have Dak, Kurt, and Russ.
1. New England: Cam Newton & Mac Jones (1st)
2. Miami: Tua Tagovailoa (1st)
3. Buffalo: Josh Allen (1st)
4. NY Jets: Zach Wilson (1st)
1. Pittsburgh: Ben Rothelisberger (1st)
2. Cincinnati: Joe Burrow (1st)
3. Cleveland: Baker Mayfield (1st)
4. Baltimore: Lamar Jackson (1st)
1. LAC: Justin Hebert (1st)
2. Kansas City: Patrick Mahomes (1st)
3. Las Vegas: Derek Carr (2nd)
4. Denver: Drew Lock (2nd)
1. Indianapolis: Carson Wentz (1st)
2. Houston: Deshaun Watson (1st) (for now) (Davis Mills 3rd)
3. Jacksonville: Trevor Lawrence (1st)
4. Tennessee: Ryan Tannehill (1st)
1. Dallas: Dak Prescott (4th)
2. Washington: poop-show at the QB position since Cousins left.
3. NYG: David Jones (1st)
4. Philadelphia: Jalen Hurts (2nd)
1. New Orleans: Jameis Winston (1st)
2. Carolina: Sam Darnold (1st)
3. Atlanta: Matt Ryan (1st)
4. Tampa Bay: Tom Brady (6th)* (Kyle Trask 2nd)
1. Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers (1st)
2. Detroit: Jared Goff (1st)
3. Chicago: Justin Fields (1st)
4. Minnesota: Kirk Cousins (4th)
1. LAR: Matt Stafford (1st)
2. Seattle: Russell Wilson (3rd)
3. San Fran: Jimmy Garoppolo (2nd)
4. Arizona: Kyler Murray (1st)
The one problem with this magic idea is all those QB’s are going to have to learn and develop. You are not keeping more than 1 QB3/practice squad QB’s.
Theoretically each guy has 3 years (rookie contract length outside the first round) to make it, and in year 2/3 they should be stepping into the QB2 role. And then the next guy goes QB3/practice squad.
Theoretically they did that the last two years with Nate Stanley and Kellin Mond. Clearly neither was ready to step into a QB2 role after a year or two. Now they are at a log jam and will most likely be cutting bait with Mond and doing this approach again.
Theoretically they did that the last two years with Nate Stanley and Kellin Mond. Clearly neither was ready to step into a QB2 role after a year or two. Now they are at a log jam and will most likely be cutting bait with Mond and doing this approach again.
Yeah, it’s not always going to work (Stanley was a 7th btw), but it keeps guys in the pipeline and a chance of hitting gold (QB1) or silver even(QB2). Plus then your QB2 is someone your familiar with, and you don’t have to go get a Nick Mullens a couple weeks before it counts. Anyway enough about guys who will hopefully never see the field.
Cutdown day today, so you will see a lot of names getting cut, including some bigger name vets, although probably not with the Vikes. Vikes cut Mond and 2021 4th Rounder Janarius Robinson DE already. That draft increasingly looks like a roller coaster for Spielman, Darrisaw 1st, Bynum 4th, Nwangwu 4th, Smith-Marsette 5th all look to be fairly productive members of the team moving forward. Mond 3rd (assuming they don’t sign him to practice squad), Surratt 3rd, Wyatt Davis 3rd and Robinson in the 4th all don’t look like they will make it to year 2 with the squad.
I like Alexander Mattison a LOT, but I don’t see any way they can keep him, so I’d be okay with trading him for a mid-round pick. Leaving Nwangwu and Ty Chandler as backup RBs.
I like Alexander Mattison a LOT, but I don’t see any way they can keep him, so I’d be okay with trading him for a mid-round pick. Leaving Nwangwu and Ty Chandler as backup RBs.
No way he re-signs after this year, but the thing with Cook is he gets hurt every year so are you comfortable with those two filling in when that happens if we trade Mattison? They should be able to get a 4th for Mattison. If he left after the season then they would get a compensatory pick which would be like a 5th or something I think.
I really like Mattison, I think he’s good enough to start in the league for some team. Just a plug-and-play guy whenever Cook is out (typically a couple games a season). Would hate to see him go, but the guys behind him on the depth chart also can contribute in the return game, so in a game of numbers he might be out. Would love to have him as a crucial backup this year but the best thing might be to get a mid-round pick so they at least get something.
The experts are saying they would only get a 5th or 6th for him in a trade. Just not enough value to get a 4th for RB.
So, they’d be better off keeping him and still get a 5th rd compensatory pick when he leaves in free agency next year.
Question is, if they keep him, do they have room on the 53 man roster to keep 4 RB’s and Ham as a FB?
do they have room on the 53 man roster to keep 4 RB’s and Ham as a FB?
Probably not. I could see them cutting CJ because the O’Connell offensive scheme has very little value in a FB.
Yeah the scheme will likely have a lot of impact on the decision. We don’t have a lot of TE depth behind Irv Smith, and he’s missed a lot of time too. Can Ham fill a TE role in this scheme?
Bisi Johnson likely would’ve been WR4/5 and he just got hurt and will not be part of the 53-man roster to start, so there’s a spot.
If they can get a 5th-round comp. pick for letting Mattison walk after the year that’s the best option IMO.
Question is, if they keep him, do they have room on the 53 man roster to keep 4 RB’s and Ham as a FB?
I think so, as Nwangwu, Chandler and Ham all play a lot of special teams. That’s the main reason Mattison is expendable, he doesn’t play much, if any, special teams. O’Donnell has been raving about Ham all offseason and preseason, so I think he’s safe.
What a bloodbath for Rick’s 21 draft class. Mond should have went undrafted and then he put the nail in his coffin by taking a slow 24 year old project LB?
Rick made some good picks in the later parts of drafts and really had an affinity for hoarding those 7th rounders…..wtf? Where he really failed was those surer picks in the first few rounds. You can’t keep messing that up and keep your job.
Cut Mond! Yes, gives me hope for the new coaching staff!
Cut Mond! Yes, gives me hope for the new coaching staff!
Apparently he’s been waived today, but he’s likely to end up on the practice squad. Can’t imagine anyone is going to offer a trade for him.
Also read that TB is cutting corner gogher wide receiver Tyler Johnson.
Apparently he’s been waived today, but he’s likely to end up on the practice squad. Can’t imagine anyone is going to offer a trade for him.
They wouldn’t have to. Any team can place a waiver claim on him now. If he clears waivers any team can sign him to the practice squad. I don’t think he was too keen on being here either, so I’d bet he takes a practice squad spot elsewhere if possible.
Mannion on waivers too. Not surprising.
Tyler Johnson was a deep sleeper for me in Fantasy Football this year… that aged well! I thought he was going to do well this year with Brady but with them adding Gage and Julio was probably the writing on the wall for him. If he was faster I think he would do well in the NFL.
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Apparently he’s been waived today, but he’s likely to end up on the practice squad. Can’t imagine anyone is going to offer a trade for him.They wouldn’t have to. Any team can place a waiver claim on him now. If he clears waivers any team can sign him to the practice squad. I don’t think he was too keen on being here either, so I’d bet he takes a practice squad spot elsewhere if possible.
Agree probably better opportunities elsewhere honestly.
I mean Seattle is starting Geno Smith. Has to be some room to grow there and elsewhere. Honestly not sure what Vikings fans were expecting from Mond. He was drafted as a development QB that is not easy to do in one year in the practice squad. Not to mention he had Covid during camp last year.
Tyler Johnson was a deep sleeper for me in Fantasy Football this year… that aged well! I thought he was going to do well this year with Brady but with them adding Gage and Julio was probably the writing on the wall for him. If he was faster I think he would do well in the NFL.
He still could be, I don’t think his speed is his issue as he’s a big physical across the middle WR. He just never got an opportunity in Tampa, and him and Brady seemed to have no chemistry. He will get another chance or two imo.
Mannion, Mond and half of last years draft class 
. Also a little surprised Armon Watts was cut, thought he was solid and forecasting to start on the DL or at least see a lot of pt.
From PFT: The Vikings have acquired defensive tackle Ross Blacklock from the Texans, Tom Pelissero of NFL Media reports. Minnesota will send a sixth-round selection to Houston for Blacklock and a seventh-rounder.
Minnesota is cutting Armon Watts, whose base salary was $2.54 million, and replacing him with Blacklock, whose base salary is $1.332 million.
Blacklock, a second-round pick in 2020, played 29 games with three starts in his time with the Texans. He totaled 36 tackles, two sacks, two pass breakups and a forced fumble.
In 2021, Blacklock played 455 defensive snaps and 59 special teams snaps in 14 games. He made 22 tackles and two sacks.
Are they that close to the cap that they need to save 1.2?
Are they that close to the cap that they need to save 1.2?
Is there a capfriendly version for the NFL? It seems like a blackhole with their salary caps. Plus all the money that is switched to signing bonus, etc. Its almost impossible to follow. I know coming into the offseason they didnt have much, but they played around a lot with guys’ contracts to free up a lot of space at one point.
Edit.. Found this. Shows them over the cap currently, but no idea how current this is:
Mannion, Mond and half of last years draft class
. Also a little surprised Armon Watts was cut, thought he was solid and forecasting to start on the DL or at least see a lot of pt.
Yeah Wyatt Davis and Chazz Suratt both 3rd rounders a year ago.
Also sent Jesse Davis to Pit so means a rookie guard Ingram gets the start.
Kept 5 RB’s so need to argue if Mattison is going to be the next Bo Jackson for another team. At least not this year.😂
Are they that close to the cap that they need to save 1.2?
At this point I don’t think the cap really exists, since they just play a shell game with signing bonuses and guarantee’s . Also, the last Raiders regime (Mayock and Gruden) have just set a new low for first round draft picks, as the new regime cut last years 17th overall Alex Leatherwood, following the 2020 first rounders Henry Ruggs and Damon Arnette being released in 2021 and the new regime not picking up a 5th year option on any of the 3 2019 first rounders. Funny thing with Mayock is he landed his gig after spending a long time as the NFL Network draft expert….
Mond and Watts claimed. Surprised by Mond, but not Watts. He is likely going to burn us when we face the Bears.
Personally I think Tyler Johnson will catch on with another team and be a decent WR2/3 somewhere.
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. Also a little surprised Armon Watts was cut, thought he was solid and forecasting to start on the DL or at least see a lot of pt.