2022 Minnesota Vikings

  • eyeguy507
    SE MN
    Posts: 5210
    #2142763

    I would still much rather have Mond as the backup QB than Mannion. Mond is going to make mistakes as a young QB, but he has a much higher ceiling than Mannion. Mannion needs to be completely cut from the roster.

    Mond should haven’t even been drafted and Mannion is just there because he knows the playbook in and out i am assuming. i trust Zimmer when he said i see him every day. Zim didn’t have time for Mond and i have a feeling they will sign a guy who gets cut off another roster.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22522
    #2142782

    I like Teddy but man some fans infatuation of him are ridiculous.

    Dan
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3774
    #2142789

    Maybe I’m in a minority opinion but I honestly don’t care about the backup QB position unless for some reason we’d have a solid high draft pick in waiting. Otherwise, if a team gets to backup QB for even more than one game your season is seriously affected. The Packers wouldn’t be what they are if Love was in there, KC’s offense wouldn’t exactly keep humming if Matt Moore or whoever backs up Mahomes is in there. When a backup comes in and grabs a win its great but for the most part your season is on a whole different trajectory if a backup is needed for multiple games or more. Every other position in football has more of a position group, as you’ll need to rotate in linemen, DB’s, etc. We all know the QB is the most important position in sports, and they don’t really have a backup in play at all.

    To me it’s more of a financial transaction for the roster spot. Mond is still on a rookie contract so you save money by keeping him. Manion is no better and likely costs more. He’s been kept around as a solid mental companion to help Cousins but with a former QB as head coach and a lot of different and hopefully better offensive-minded staff, he’s no longer needed.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22522
    #2142803

    Well they made a move to get another QB.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11562
    #2142804

    Maybe I’m in a minority opinion but I honestly don’t care about the backup QB position unless for some reason we’d have a solid high draft pick in waiting. Otherwise, if a team gets to backup QB for even more than one game your season is seriously affected. The Packers wouldn’t be what they are if Love was in there, KC’s offense wouldn’t exactly keep humming if Matt Moore or whoever backs up Mahomes is in there. When a backup comes in and grabs a win its great but for the most part your season is on a whole different trajectory if a backup is needed for multiple games or more. Every other position in football has more of a position group, as you’ll need to rotate in linemen, DB’s, etc. We all know the QB is the most important position in sports, and they don’t really have a backup in play at all.

    To me it’s more of a financial transaction for the roster spot. Mond is still on a rookie contract so you save money by keeping him. Manion is no better and likely costs more. He’s been kept around as a solid mental companion to help Cousins but with a former QB as head coach and a lot of different and hopefully better offensive-minded staff, he’s no longer needed.

    Totally agree. 2 pages of backup QB talk. If QB1 goes down most teams are done. Vikes are no different.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22522
    #2142808

    Totally agree. 2 pages of backup QB talk. If QB1 goes down most teams are done. Vikes are no different.

    And its not like Cousins has been injury prone either.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11566
    #2142816

    Backup QB is important, especially since most QB injuries now are rarely season enders, usually miss 3-4 games and you need to have someone that can at least give you a chance to win a couple of those games. Mullens is a big improvement over Mannion. Hopefully they cut Mannion and give Mond more time to develop, I don’t think he will ever be the guy, but at least has the physical tools to do it.

    John Rasmussen
    Blaine
    Posts: 6324
    #2142834

    Interesting move, I really do not recall this guy. No doubt we need to do something, I agree most teams run the roster where if the starter goes out the drop off is huge down to the 2nd stringer, but man both those guys suck.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22522
    #2142835

    I think he played a bit in SF when Garoppolo was injured and that is where Kwesi was at the time.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11749
    #2142857

    Maybe I’m in a minority opinion but I honestly don’t care about the backup QB position unless for some reason we’d have a solid high draft pick in waiting. Otherwise, if a team gets to backup QB for even more than one game your season is seriously affected. The Packers wouldn’t be what they are if Love was in there, KC’s offense wouldn’t exactly keep humming if Matt Moore or whoever backs up Mahomes is in there. When a backup comes in and grabs a win its great but for the most part your season is on a whole different trajectory if a backup is needed for multiple games or more. Every other position in football has more of a position group, as you’ll need to rotate in linemen, DB’s, etc. We all know the QB is the most important position in sports, and they don’t really have a backup in play at all.

    To me it’s more of a financial transaction for the roster spot. Mond is still on a rookie contract so you save money by keeping him. Manion is no better and likely costs more. He’s been kept around as a solid mental companion to help Cousins but with a former QB as head coach and a lot of different and hopefully better offensive-minded staff, he’s no longer needed.

    i mostly disagree….. i’ve seen an aweful lot of backup QB’s hand it to the Vikings!!!!!! rotflol rotflol doah

    haleysgold
    SE MN
    Posts: 1453
    #2142862

    i mostly disagree….. i’ve seen an aweful lot of backup QB’s hand it to the Vikings!!!!!!

    Isn’t that the sad truth. Happens to them every time I think and they really tear em a new one.

    Dan
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3774
    #2142873

    Slightly related…I saw a stat that said last year the Packers played 8 games against either rookie or backup QB’s. They proceeded to go 8-0 in those games. I can think of 3 off the top of my head: Justin Fields, Sean Manion, and Justin Fields.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16638
    #2142898

    Saying a preseason NFL game is professional football is like saying tee-ball is professional baseball. And to think the owners actually get people to sell out big money to attend one of those game.

    27 starters from each team didn’t dress for that fiasco.

    JEREMY
    BP
    Posts: 3866
    #2142903

    I dont know why people would pay to go watch that crap and drink 12 dollar beers. Maybe when old Denny Green was coach and he tried to win every preseason game.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17226
    #2142905

    Mullens is an improvement over both Mannion and Mond. He’s played 17 games as a starting QB, primarily for the niners several seasons ago. I assume they picked him up with the intention of being the backup QB and he will be playing a lot in the third pre season game. If I had to guess, Mond would go to the practice squad and Mannion will be working at Wendy’s next week.

    The backup QB needs to at least be serviceable for a game or two. Having someone who is completely incompetent does nothing.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2142911

    I’ve never seen such a big deal made over a backup QB. I don’t care who you have as a backup, if your starting qb goes down for a long period of time it’s over.

    Kirk doesn’t miss games anyway.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11749
    #2142914

    I’ve never seen such a big deal made over a backup QB. I don’t care who you have as a backup, if your starting qb goes down for a long period of time it’s over.

    Kirk doesn’t miss games anyway.

    don’t reply then, it’s what I do or change the direction. And I’m not trying to be a Richard either.

    I got one, anyone hear if the Vikings are shopping Mattson around??

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17226
    #2142915

    I did hear that on KFAN today about Mattison. He may be on the chopping block.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11562
    #2142916

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
    I’ve never seen such a big deal made over a backup QB. I don’t care who you have as a backup, if your starting qb goes down for a long period of time it’s over.

    Kirk doesn’t miss games anyway.

    don’t reply then, it’s what I do or change the direction. And I’m not trying to be a Richard either.

    I got one, anyone hear if the Vikings are shopping Mattson around??

    Meh dime a dozen…again back up or third string back. Guys like that move around all the time.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11749
    #2142921

    yea i think he could well be a starter in alot of places!!!!!!!!!

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11562
    #2142924

    I am sure he could start for some teams as well. Could probably start for every team if they didn’t have a starter that is better like the Vikings.

    A lot places? Or a few places like Seattle who lost there starting back. Could he start sure but if he was that valuable the Vikes wouldn’t be thinking of trading him. Cook doesn’t play every game. They have depth at that position which means he could be traded for late round pick. Guys like that get traded/cut or moved all the time in the NFL. (See Jerick McKinnon)

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11749
    #2142930

    Could be wrong but didn’t McKinnon leave via free agency???

    And I agree with you, those other running backs seem pretty good but I’m thinking they’ll be cheaper than Maddison next year

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5787
    #2142936

    My issue with the back up QB is I would like to have hope for the future and be grooming someone. They could have done that with Mac Jones or the Steelers just got Kenny Pickett he looks like he could be the real deal. Every year at least one or two teams get a good young QB. The Vikings? Never. Never in my lifetime, unless you count Daunte Culpepper. And here we sit with Kellen Mond. Reminds me of Tavarius Jackson remember him??

    Having said all that Mullens is a nice upgrade over Mannion and Mond that’s for sure.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11562
    #2142937

    Yes Jet walked which is exactly what Mattison will do next year. May even have a good season or two being in the mix. Just not what I would consider a special back. If he was they most likely wouldn’t be thinking about trading him and most likely would be used more.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11562
    #2142938

    My issue with the back up QB is I would like to have hope for the future and be grooming someone. They could have done that with Mac Jones or the Steelers just got Kenny Pickett he looks like he could be the real deal. Every year at least one or two teams get a good young QB. The Vikings? Never. Never in my lifetime, unless you count Daunte Culpepper. And here we sit with Kellen Mond. Reminds me of Tavarius Jackson remember him??

    Having said all that Mullens is a nice upgrade over Mannion and Mond that’s for sure.

    Don’t necessarily disagree, but I am not surprised the new regime played it safe by not drafting a QB high in their first draft. Eventually they will have to do it and probably sooner than later.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17226
    #2142955

    My issue with the back up QB is I would like to have hope for the future and be grooming someone.

    I completely agree, but bear in mind that for every QB that is drafted, how many of them fail to become a long term starting QB? I would say the majority of them. The Josh Allens and Pat Mahomes aren’t growing on trees for everyone to see. They’re like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Carson Wentz looked to be the real deal after his near MVP season and now he’s a bottom tier QB that no one really wants. The Vikings have tried this “draft and develop” strategy more than once with guys like Ponder and Jackson. Eventually they flopped and a better option via free agency had to be brought in, like Favre and now Cousins.

    JEREMY
    BP
    Posts: 3866
    #2142957

    What was wrong with T Jack? I know he was no Spurgeon Wynn but come on man.

    Reminds me of Tavarius Jackson remember him??

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17226
    #2142958

    What was wrong with T Jack?

    Lol T Jack probably wasn’t as bad as we made him out to be. I think he actually took the Vikings to the playoffs before Favre arrived too. Probably not a long term solution though.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22522
    #2142960

    Lol T Jack probably wasn’t as bad as we made him out to be. I think he actually took the Vikings to the playoffs before Favre arrived too. Probably not a long term solution though.

    Peterson was the reason they went to the playoffs not T Jack.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11566
    #2142966

    Mattison is unrestricted FA after this year. They can try and trade him, but unlikely to get more than a 5-7th rounder (he was a 3rd) due to RB devaluation. I’d rather they keep him, and if he leaves in FA I think they may get like a compensatory 5th or something along those lines.

    Personally at QB I think they should be taking 2nd-5th round flyers on a QB every year or every other year and trying to develop him. They won’t be bad enough to get a top 3 pick in the foreseeable future, and there is 3 Ponders for every Josh Allen later in the first round.

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