2022/2023 NHL/Wild Offseason-Season-Postseason Thread

  • mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2166175

    Steel has scored on the top line and the other line he was on. Goudreau is scoring as well. We all know you don’t like either of them, you’ve made that perfectly clear, but they are playing a better game and producing more than Rossi did. And they are clearly able to handle the NHL game, which Rossi showed he couldn’t at this point in time.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11601
    #2166181

    But I thought Beckman and walker were studs that should have been called up instead of Petan. Why can’t he produce with them.
    Steel has played how many games at 1C? 15-18? Don’t think anyone is saying he is the long term answer but I do find it ironic you were fine with him starting low and working his way up. He clearly didn’t do that so why would they force it?
    I mean it’s not as if he tore apart the AHL last year. Hell he wasn’t even there leading goal scorer so maybe he needs to learn a bit more how the professional North American game is played.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #2166184

    Steel has scored on the top line and the other line he was on. Goudreau is scoring as well. We all know you don’t like either of them, you’ve made that perfectly clear, but they are playing a better game and producing more than Rossi did. And they are clearly able to handle the NHL game, which Rossi showed he couldn’t at this point in time.

    they each have 4 goals in their last 24 games… yeah they’re on fire!

    Steel has 0 assists since playing 1C ZERO!!

    Rossi was given a sliver of the opportunity they’ve had…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #2166185

    But I thought Beckman and walker were studs that should have been called up instead of Petan. Why can’t he produce with them.
    Steel has played how many games at 1C? 15-18? Don’t think anyone is saying he is the long term answer but I do find it ironic you were fine with him starting low and working his way up. He clearly didn’t do that so why would they force it?
    I mean it’s not as if he tore apart the AHL last year. Hell he wasn’t even there leading goal scorer so maybe he needs to learn a bit more how the professional North American game is played.

    this post is just grade A dumb…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #2166189

    this post is just grade A dumb…

    I liked your first response better jester

    Steel and Freddy are not top 6 centers, I already said that. But this isn’t about them, it’s about Rossi. Rossi is a prospect and they’re handling him differently than the other center options. Rossi getting thrown into 1c just because there’s no other options is exactly how you burn out a prospect. Rossi is exactly where he needs to be, smart move by the management and development staff in my opinion.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #2166193

    I believe Rossi got 1 home game with Kirill and Zuccy in preseason and did pretty well? (i’m not going to look for that game’s stats)

    and I’m not saying give him 1C and never look back…

    I just think he should have been given a 3-5 game look to see what happens, if he struggles, you send him down with things he knows he needs to work on to be an NHL center playing with elite wingers, if he succeeds and takes off scoring and building chemistry with the bromance, who would then take that away and pull him off the 1st line?

    I also specified that starting the season with him on the 4th line was smart as it reduced the pressure on a 20 year old kid the entire fanbase is hoping becomes the franchise center we’ve never had. Then the season started like $hit, our 1C got hurt and we decided on going with an unsigned RFA one of the worst teams in the league didnt want and he has 4 goals and 0 assists in about 12 games? playing with a league superstar and his trusty sidekick… I think he deserved at least a look…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11601
    #2166196

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
    But I thought Beckman and walker were studs that should have been called up instead of Petan. Why can’t he produce with them.
    Steel has played how many games at 1C? 15-18? Don’t think anyone is saying he is the long term answer but I do find it ironic you were fine with him starting low and working his way up. He clearly didn’t do that so why would they force it?
    I mean it’s not as if he tore apart the AHL last year. Hell he wasn’t even there leading goal scorer so maybe he needs to learn a bit more how the professional North American game is played.

    this post is just grade A dumb…

    Why because you have contradicted yourself this whole season and I pointed it out.
    Remember when Beckman was the darling of the pre season last year. How was his season last year. He isn’t exactly the first call up this year either.
    Just don’t understand why you want to force Rossi into a role he clearly isn’t ready for.

    If the only way he can succeed is to play with a top 5 player in the NHL doesn’t that speak more about Rossis ability then?

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2166198

    What’s that saying that they say about preseason stats in every major sport like every season???? I just can’t remember…..

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #2166199

    Rossi’s fate was in his own hands and he had a terrible start to the season. He didn’t earn or deserve anything. Not sure how your can say that. Your whole argument is that he might be as good or better than a couple terrible players if they put him next to Kaprizov. That’s exactly how top prospects are ruined. It’s so obvious he isn’t ready, let him cook in the minors and come up with a fresh start.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #2166201

    How do you know he isn’t ready? Because he didnt score while playing 8 minutes a game on the 4th line in a checking roll?

    Why doesn’t Zuccarello play 4th line? Shouldn’t his game work with Reaves?

    Skill guys play with other skill guys, you start mixing them up and the non skilled guy zigs when the skilled guy thinks he should have zagged and its a mess…

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #2166203

    Preseason is fake season. Quoting Rossi preseason stats in the same breath as saying Jost’s don’t count is laughable. They mean nothing, and I said that before the season started while the fan base was drooling over the Wild’s perfect preseason.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2166205

    How do you know he isn’t ready? Because he didnt score while playing 8 minutes a game on the 4th line in a checking roll?

    Seriously Joe….You have got to come back to reality. He couldn’t even get to the puck when he was up here. He wasn’t decisive on passes, and even basic skills weren’t coming easy to him during his call up. He did nothing to show anyone he belonged right now. It doesn’t matter if it was on the 1st line, 4th line or 87th line.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #2166206

    How do you know he isn’t ready? Because he didnt score while playing 8 minutes a game on the 4th line in a checking roll?

    Holy hell he was the 2nd worst forward on the team. His linemates should have been complaining about playing with him. You and Tony Abbott should do podcast together.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #2166209

    Rossi’s fate was in his own hands and he had a terrible start to the season. He didn’t earn or deserve anything. Not sure how your can say that. Your whole argument is that he might be as good or better than a couple terrible players if they put him next to Kaprizov. That’s exactly how top prospects are ruined. It’s so obvious he isn’t ready, let him cook in the minors and come up with a fresh start.

    other than Kirill, who didn’t have a terrible start to the season? How does playing an offensive prospect next to world class offensive players for a trial period do anything but be positive? It either shows him exactly what he needs to get better at or he succeeds? Again i’m not saying plop him at 1C and ride out the season no matter what, a short 4/5 game trial should be enough.
    All he and the Wild know right now is that he struggled playing mostly a 4th line checking role for 8-10 minutes a night, that shouldn’t be a surprise imo…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #2166217

    Lol, go back to playing franchise mode on NHL23…

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11601
    #2166224

    Lol, go back to playing franchise mode on NHL23…

    Oh boy are you talking to yourself now?

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #2166226

    Or maybe he puts up just enough 2nd assist points to stick and it stunts his development never touching the puck. Failure would be impossible according to some…

    Jack the Chimp could have put up 40 points playing 1C between the Bromance last year…

    This still stands:

    Joe what did you do this weekend? I’m a little concerned

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    icex
    Posts: 235
    #2166257

    Ovi with two more tonight against Chicago and still a half game left. This record chasing is going to become a real distraction to the team and Ovi as this wears on and Gretzky’s record gets closer in sight. Eventually these things usually become a detriment to the team. Ovi is pulling longer shifts staying on the ice longer than he normally would especially towards end of games. I think the night he got two eng’s he was on the ice for like five minutes.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #2166268

    Joe, I think why people are giving you so much crap about this take is because Rossi didn’t even show solid base skills when he was up. Sure, should he be playing forth line/checking minutes, no. But if he would’ve shown that he could win some puck battles, move the puck well, and show any offensive capacity at all, they probably would’ve given him a shot on the top line for a few games. But he just didnt do that. Doesn’t matter what role he is in.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11601
    #2166277

    Ovi with two more tonight against Chicago and still a half game left. This record chasing is going to become a real distraction to the team and Ovi as this wears on and Gretzky’s record gets closer in sight. Eventually these things usually become a detriment to the team. Ovi is pulling longer shifts staying on the ice longer than he normally would especially towards end of games. I think the night he got two eng’s he was on the ice for like five minutes.

    Well it is a couple seasons away so I doubt he’s taking extra long shifts right now just to chase a record.
    Caps have an aging core that already has a cup. They honestly will love the distraction in the future.
    The franchise will probably make more money than any playoff run.

    I did like the bud lite salute and the diesel Budweiser in his locker stall..classic

    Congrats to Ovi. 800 is a special number.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8521
    #2166282

    Kuznetsov getting a random drug test tomorrow jester

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #2166285

    This is the amazing part of Ovi’s career imo, the consistency!

    # of Games to each Alex Ovechkin milestone goal

    0-100 167
    100-200 130
    200-300 178
    300-400 162
    400-500 168
    500-600 190
    600-700 155
    700-800 162

    icex
    Posts: 235
    #2166296

    Rossi just simply isn’t ready yet. The Wild were desperately trying to win some games so they weren’t about to throw a rookie who was clearly showing he wasn’t ready into the 1c spot and it’s hard to argue that. The head scratcher to me was why sit him in the press box for four games before sending him back to the corn fields? That had to punch a hole in a already deflating confidence balloon. I’ve said before he wouldn’t be the first high draft pick who’s ceiling is a AHL stud.
    Players can surprise you either way. Maybe Sammy Walker proves to be too good to leave in Iowa and BG has to find a spot for him.

    Congrats to Ovi on the #800 quite the milestone! The chase to Gretzky is on but I wonder how much it is a race against the clock. Ovi isn’t getting younger. He’s got two seasons left where he has to stay healthy and score 40 to 50 in each season depending how many more he gets this year. It will be interesting to watch how it plays out. There is no doubt the pressure will build for the rest of the team, they will have to defer to Ovi before taking a shot. If your skating in on a two on one with Ovi and you got the better angle to shoot do you still pass over to Ovi risking the pass gets blocked even though you have the better chance hoping Ovi can get one more goal closer? All the players want to build their stats everyone wants to get paid. Rip is right this team will probably make more money on this record chasing than a deep playoff run which the Caps aren’t going to be doing for awhile.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #2166325

    I 100% agree Rossi proved nothing in the regular season, but burying him on the 4th line was not a good move. Perhaps if he was playing with Shaw (not up at the time) and Dewar it would have meshed more, but the style of a traditional 4th line is wasting his skillset and exposing him to potential punishment from heavy teams.
    He needs to be in Iowa and when he is ready he will get a chance. There will continue to be injuries so callups are inevitable. IMO I would have liked to see him more with KK and Zuccy, but that line was such a defensive liability early on that would have been scary. Ideally Rossi would play between Boldy and perhaps Walker if he sticks around.

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #2166364

    IMO I would have liked to see him more with KK and Zuccy

    Do you mean more than the 1 preseason game time they got together? That’s the point of my entire rant, he wasn’t given ANY chance when everything else we’ve tried hasn’t worked…it’s not about “earning the opportunity” it’s about trying to solve a problem the team has in terms of their 1st line isn’t scoring at 5-5…and other than the Carolina game, what did Steel do to earn the opportunity? Does 1 good 5 minute spurt (1G/1A) in a game meet the threshold?

    I agree Rossi’s play to start the season when he was centering the 2nd line a few games with Boldy didn’t inspire much confidence, but other than Kirill & Zuccy, who’s game did? They were all terrible! He was then moved to 4th line for the remaining majority of his 17 games before being sent down to Iowa. imo it was a missed opportunity to see if there was a spark with Kirill and Mats when the team was desperate to find one and I would be willing to bet GMBG and staff would admit they didn’t handle him properly (I think the the worst start to the season they could have possibly imagined likely played a part in some of the desperate lineup decisions they made and all young player development logic went out the window)

    Again it was the GM & Coaches own words preseason that Rossi needs to play in the top6 to be successful, it does him no good to play a 4th line role…if he’s not going to be given that chance, then Iowa makes the most sense (which they finally did) and i’m fine with that…

    JoeMX1825
    MN
    Posts: 17882
    #2166375

    Complete 180 post here, but I know we have alot of hockey guys reading it…

    IF any of you have a desire to have your own skate sharpener but have been on the fence, I recently made the investment into a Sparx skate sharpener and I have to say it’s one of the best decisions I’ve made. The quality of sharpening is as good as any top pro shop i’ve ever used and having the convienance of doing it at home whenever you need it is a game changer… There is a rather large initial investment (about $1,000 after tax & shipping for a complete kit) but there’s a Canadian youtuber who’s done a detailed cost of ownership analysis and it will pay for itself after 3-4 years depending on how often you sharpen and that’s just the monetary savings, the time/convienance savings variable wasn’t factored in…

    The biggest positive is you get the exact SAME sharpening EVERY time… I suppose you could call/schedule an appointment at your favorite proshop and make sure “your guy” sharpens your skates everytime vs getting the new guy who’s still learning the process and your edge is completely different. Another huge positive is that it requires no sharpening knowledge to use it, my 6 year old can do it. You load a skate, hit a button, a minute later the skate it done and you load the 2nd one, minute later your done!

    I’m no expert on it, but happy to provide answers and feedback, just send me a PM

    Just wanted to post this because i’m sure there are alot of hockey parents/players out there who are skeptics (I was one of them) but this thing is the real deal! I now wish I would have purchased it years ago…

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22823
    #2166386

    TennaB from KFAN has been raving about the Sparx sharpener for months.

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