You don’t think there are any other wings available on the trade market especially the closer they get to the deadline?
sure, but the season could be over by then… I just brought up the Boesser trade scenario because it was reported the Canucks have basically given up and gave his agent (Ben Hankenson) permission to seek out a trade…so the timing is likely soon…
it could also just be a Bruce ploy to get Boesser’s game where he wants it…
What do you consider “Work out”????? What is Success or Failure with Boesser in your mind?
As a goal scoring winger who doesn’t forecheck, drive possession, or play defense and is making $6.7m AAV – I think the floor for “working out” would be a 30 goal pace per 82 games. Right now he’s got 4 in 19 games and been on the ice for 22 goals against at 5v5. If you think he’s having a good season then I can see why you want to trade for him. Big oneofus energy.
He’s what the 4th or 5th best forward on Vancouver – a team that’s “made playoffs” (only during the bubble play-in) once since he’s been there. I’m not trying to trash the guy but I don’t understand how people don’t see how terrible his contract is. The narrative is his game went downhill the last 2 years because of his dad’s health but his game’s been going downhill since his 2nd year in the league.
I think it’s completely effed that he was going to get a “tough love” health bomb on the cancer awareness game.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
What do you consider “Work out”????? What is Success or Failure with Boesser in your mind?As a goal scoring winger who doesn’t forecheck, drive possession, or play defense and is making $6.7m AAV – I think the floor for “working out” would be a 30 goal pace per 82 games. Right now he’s got 4 in 19 games and been on the ice for 22 goals against at 5v5. If you think he’s having a good season then I can see why you want to trade for him. Big oneofus energy.
He’s what the 4th or 5th best forward on Vancouver – a team that’s “made playoffs” (only during the bubble play-in) once since he’s been there. I’m not trying to trash the guy but I don’t understand how people don’t see how terrible his contract is.
I didn’t say his season sofar was a success, but it’s certainly not a failure…I agree he’s paid to score, but other than their stars (Horvat, Petterson, Kuzmenko and Miller) he’s like everyone else on that team, having a bad start to the season. He’ll get hot again and start burying his chances…They’ve been a bad team ever since he’s been in the league other than the 1 playoff year they got to the 2nd round, he had 11 points in 17 playoff games that run…
Agree…he brings nothing else except for his shot. If Fiala drove you nuts a couple of years ago then Brock will make you stab yourself in the eye with a dull fork.
Boeser is Mike Hoffman, except that he’s from Minnesota instead of Canada.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
You don’t think there are any other wings available on the trade market especially the closer they get to the deadline?sure, but the season could be over by then… I just brought up the Boesser trade scenario because it was reported the Canucks have basically given up and gave his agent (Ben Hankenson) permission to seek out a trade…so the timing is likely soon…
it could also just be a Bruce ploy to get Boesser’s game where he wants it…
The only reason a team allows a an agent to seek a trade is because they couldn’t find one themselves.
i’d love to hear your Mike Hoffman take…let me guess… you found that he’s a career -20 with 14 goals 5on5 on odd numbered calander dates in states/providences that start with vowels?
He hasn’t put up 30 with the studs you mentioned from Vancouver. Horvat Miller Pederson. What makes you think he can with Freddy hockey and Boldy.
The only reason a team allows a an agent to seek a trade is because they couldn’t find one themselves.
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or the team won’t admit their perceived mistake and swallow their pride and listen…i’m sure as specualted in this thread that every team is wanting the Canucks to eat some of his aav and they are refusing sofar…
Joe I love your glass half full takes.
i’d love to hear your Mike Hoffman take…let me guess… you found that he’s a career -20 with 14 goals 5on5 on odd numbered calander dates in states/providences that start with vowels?
Have you ever seen me site +/- ?? It’s an archaic stat.
They’re both elite shooters that score goals on the PP and aren’t good at 5v5. You don’t see the similarity? Obviously at different points in their careers.
perceived mistake
I’m dying to know what this is
He hasn’t put up 30 with the studs you mentioned from Vancouver. What makes you think he can with Freddy hockey and Boldy.
again, tell me another perceived “gettable” player not on the final few holes of his career who can… to answer your question, I don’t know who exactly he played with over those years, I will say that Miller and Horvat have really exploded offensvely the past few years when Boesser had his issues. I beleive his early career success was mostly with Petterson….
Vancouver needs capspace for Horvat, Kuzmenko & Hoglander this offseason and Petterson the following and Boesser’s $6.6 is a big shiney contract to get rid of if they can. I think they’ve just made the choice of focusing on those players vs Boesser, if they could afford to keep him, they probably would…he’s too young to give up on after showing he can have success…
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
perceived mistakeI’m dying to know what this is
cap management with the players they now need to sign in the next 2 years…some of it is Mgmt’s fault, others are their young players who blew up early and got or will get much larger 2nd contracts then they likely planned (Hughes and Kuzmenko are great examples)
Joe what did you do this weekend? I’m a little concerned
Best post of the day!
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
i’d love to hear your Mike Hoffman take…let me guess… you found that he’s a career -20 with 14 goals 5on5 on odd numbered calander dates in states/providences that start with vowels?Have you ever seen me site +/- ?? It’s an archaic stat.
They’re both elite shooters that score goals on the PP and aren’t good at 5v5. You don’t see the similarity? Obviously at different points in their careers.
for sure you don’t want a team full of Hoffman’s/Boesser’s, but you need a few unless you like losing 1-0 games…I’ve always been a huge Hoffman fan…I don’t know his stats but I suspect David Perron is likely a similar 5-5 liability? but i’d sure love to have Perron in the playoffs on the powerplay…
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
Joe what did you do this weekend? I’m a little concernedBest post of the day!
yeah, I think I stated the obvious anybody with a hockey brain can see, Hartman lacks a center skillset…
And Brock doesn’t lack skill sets? Too funny.
I don’t think the wild have lost 1-0 yet.
Perron makes 2 million less. So yeah I’m sure the wild would take that too.
And Brock doesn’t lack skill sets? Too funny.
I don’t think the wild have lost 1-0 yet.
I think you’re lost on this thread…its nice to know the Nick Petan fanclub has at least 1 member…
Hartman lacks a center skillset…
Joe…… I think you reset back to 1995.
Peron is a really good 5v5 player and has been his whole career.
Don’t think I am the lost one Joe.
So I am a Petan fan club because I think Brock would be a mistake?
Glad we cleared that up.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
Hartman lacks a center skillset…Joe…… I think you reset back to 1995.
uhoh, somebody is ready to quote BillyG’s famous interview excuses for not being able to get a center…
Don’t think I am the lost one Joe.
of course you don’t…
terrible center (terrible on draws, average at best defensively, not a pure passer, not a puck possesion/zone entry player)
Had to go back to 1995 (the previous page) and see what your ideal center is…
good on draws
good defensively
pure passer
puck possession/zone entry player
Joe’s ideal center is Freddy Hockey – at least the best on the Wild
Got me there. 
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JoeMX1825 wrote:</div>
terrible center (terrible on draws, average at best defensively, not a pure passer, not a puck possesion/zone entry player)Had to go back to 1995 (the previous page) and see what your ideal center is…
good on draws
good defensively
pure passer
puck possession/zone entry playerJoe’s ideal center is Freddy Hockey – at least the best on the Wild
probably why he’s played center his entire hockey career huh?
Sadly Freddy is right now…
So you’re saying Freddy is a better center than Hartman
Joe what did you do this weekend? I’m a little concerned
So you’re saying Freddy is a better center than Hartman
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tswoboda wrote:</div>
Joe what did you do this weekend? I’m a little concerned
i’m saying that Freddy has a better center skillset than Hartman, now I will say that Hartman is a better hockey player than Freddy which is why Freddy was always a journeyman 4th liner until he was signed by Deano and Hartman was a 1st rounder with a history of being able to score…Its also why Hartman had better success with Kirill and Zuccy vs when Gaudreau was playing with them, Hartman could actually so something with the puck when he got it…Freddy has limited offensive skills during gameplay (sure he has nice stick handling & shoot out skills, but so do 12 year old kids on youtube)
There’s obviously varying levels of skilled centers, but the underlying skillset is developed over years of playing the position. To say Hartman is winging it is being nice, this is obvious almost everytime he takes a faceoff or rushes the puck up the ice…The Wild are so weak at the position that they put somebody who hasn’t played it in years as their 1C and he had a magical season like 1/2 the other forwards on the team, but it appears lightning isn’t going to strike twice…It also the reason imo, that it will be tough for him to get a big raise in his next contract, he has to prove it wasn’t a fluke season due to playing with Kirill and Zuccy, the first X amount of games he played this season before he got hurt it looked like it absolutely was…
Canucks play tonight, i’ll be closely watching Brock’s effort and 5on5 play….
Is he playing?
Maybe Hartman is just a slow starter like Brock and the boys.
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