Lol, great effort by Suter on that Dewey goal… thats embarrassing….
No comments on this post??? That play in a nutshell is why GMBG accepted the cap penalty to cut him…his nonchalant facial expression skating back to his bench afterwards says it all… quite the effort/hart difference between that play and Spurgeon’s in OT agianst the Ducks…
He is terrible. Was basically terrible the last couple years with us. He just has no drive. I couldnt believe it when they threw him out there on the PP.
So the wild a cap strapped team is going to over pay for a wing? One that plays zero defense and is a me first type of player?
Boy I hope that is not the case.
So the wild a cap strapped team is going to over pay for a wing? One that plays zero defense and is a me first type of player?
Boy I hope that is not the case.
we’ve been overpaying for Dumba the past 4 years, every single NHL team has players who are overpayed, it’s going to happen and you likely accept that risk a little easier for a proven goal scorer…I’ve never heard of Brock as being a me first type player? would love to read those stories…I’ll agree his agent/pr team pushed him as an individual “Building Brock” after his instant NHL success a few years ago, but same can be said for Marner, Mathews, etc…
Yes, the team is cap strapped, where would you divert $6 the next 2 years in capspace to? Don’t say center…$6 isn’t going to get it done…if you think it would, who would that player be? I’d love to know of a legit $6 center a team would be willing to get rid of without a top pick or prospect going back…
I’m basing my thinking on Boesser turning his career around after everything he’s been going through off the ice the past 2 years, if that happens the $6.6 caphit will be just fine…it’s a high risk/reward move, the risk part is only 2 years though…
I think every Wild fan who ever trashed Suter puffed their chest out a little after that goal. Dewar (and Shaw) has been flying on the PK this year – I forget the game but he did the same thing a week or so ago but hit the post. That’s a huge element to add to a PK, something they had with Freddy and Kevin the 2nd half of last season.
Can’t afford Fiala at $7.8 but bring in Boesser at $6.7 is such a bonehead move. Ironic (but not suprising) seeing all the Boesser trade supporters after hearing “they didn’t have a choice” and “they just couldn’t afford him” with Fiala. The “Boldy needing someone to play with” is my favorite though 
A chance to lose Dumba55?!
YEA
I’m basing my thinking on Boesser turning his career around after everything he’s been going through off the ice the past 2 years, if that happens the $6.6 caphit will be just fine…it’s a high risk/reward move, the risk part is only 2 years though…
This is exactly the kind of deal that seems to appeal to Gurin. And it’s not as if the Wild have never had players join and really come to life. Also looking at past acquisitions, it’s clear Gurin doesn’t believe in trying to build a team using only the youth movement.
Also agree that as a GM he’s looking at available cap in the context of who’s really available. Doesn’t matter what player or role you want to fill, you can only make deals on players that are actually available and Boesser is on the market. If not him then which other player that’s really on the market should we be going after?
Boesser’s name has come up often enough and long enough that my bet is the only thing between Boesser and a Wild sweater is the amount of salary Vancouver is willing to eat.
Can’t afford Fiala at $7.8…
Fiala getting gone had nothing to do with the salary. Deano and Bill want him gone because he was a whiner. Listen back to the Russo end-of-season interview with Gurin, it was crystal clear what Gurin thought of Fiala.
Can’t afford Fiala at $7.8 but bring in Boesser at $6.7 is such a bonehead move. Ironic (but not suprising) seeing all the Boesser trade supporters after hearing “they didn’t have a choice” and “they just couldn’t afford him” with Fiala. The “Boldy needing someone to play with” is my favorite though
So you’re a beleiver in the Petan & Boldy connection huh?
Fiala’s $7.8 x 7 years has alot more risk than Boesser’s $6.6 for 2 years…and the money means nothing IF Fiala had ZERO intention of ever signing here longterm anyways…for all we know GMBG offered the same deal and Fiala said no, I want to take my talents & smokeshow model wife to the sunny West Coast so trade me now and get assets back or let me ride out my last year of arbitration and leave for nothing, either way i’m ending up on the West coast…who knows…
I’d love to hear better trade scenario’s with the upside Boesser could bring…and yes who knows what Brock you’ll get? but it would be boneheaded to think his game was not seriously effected the past 2 years with his dad’s unfortunate health issues and death and being 1,500 miles away from it all most of the time…
We love to mock the signing of ex-Minnesotan’s, but this might be a case of where it could be a huge benefit for a young player to be close to family…
As it sits right now the wild will have to sign 10 players next year with $15M. That is not a lot of moola if you take 6.7 for one player alone. If Vancouver retains half, which I doubt, that would help.
Joe stop making Fiala stuff up. Russo reported that both Fiala desperately wanted a long term contract and a contract was never offered to him.
Boeser’s upside is that he’s gotten worse every year he’s played in the National Hockey League so he must be due for a turnaround. He’s only 25 and in his 6th season so I’m sure it’ll happen.
As it sits right now the wild will have to sign 10 players next year with $15M. That is not a lot of moola if you take 6.7 for one player alone.
Also factor in the cap is expected to go up, but we also have an additional 2 million in buyout hits…so a positive and negative….
The good thing is that a majority of the players needing to re-sign are first time RFA’s and a modest pay increase typically gets a new deal done…some players will be gone (Reaves, Dumba, Goligoski) too…
I sure hope they don’t make a mistake on Gaudreau, he should be a short bridge to younger center options, not a locked in long term center floater…
The wildcard is Boldy’s bridge deal…but the huge cap increases 2-3 years down the road might calm his agent’s demands….
Joe stop making Fiala stuff up. Russo reported that both Fiala desperately wanted a long term contract and a contract was never offered to him.
Fiala wanted that 2 years ago when he was as streaky as Will Farell in Old School… no GM in the league would have felt comfortable offering it to him at a high aav after what he showed sofar in his career… so for sure Fiala wanted it then…fast forward 2 years of Kevin finally playing well and the shoe was on the other foot and the Fiala camp had all of the leverage…His agent’s then likely ran him through the exact scenario I said (we pressure now for a trade or ride out 1 more arb year and we can choose) it was probably an easy decision when LA offered, especially since he recently got married and it wasnt just his decision anymore…
So much speculation Joe, all the stuff your speculating about has been talked about by Kevin in interviews last summer/fall. You don’t need to speculate, the information is out there.
Boldy and Hartman are the 2 contracts that could cause problems.
Gaudreau should get a little raise and Zuccy stay the same. I assume both players will be willing to take less to stay in MN because Zuccy wants to play with Kirill and Gaudreau won’t get top 6 minutes anywhere else. Term is key – shorter the better.
I know Brock personally. I can tell you first hand of his demeanor and work ethic. I would not spend 6.5 on him at wing. Which I doubt they can afford anyway.
I know Brock personally. I can tell you first hand of his demeanor and work ethic. I would not spend 6.5 on him at wing. Which I doubt they can afford anyway.
But did you know that he’s a right handed shot
Boldy and Hartman are the 2 contracts that could cause problems.
Gaudreau should get a little raise and Zuccy stay the same. I assume both players will be willing to take less to stay in MN because Zuccy wants to play with Kirill and Gaudreau won’t get top 6 minutes anywhere else. Term is key – shorter the better.
Lots can happen in 1 1/2 seasons before we need to decide on Hartman and Zuccy…If Hartman isn’t 1C moving forward (GM failure if he is) then where does he play to warrant any significant pay raise? He’s been a 20-25 point 3rd/4th liner for his entire career outisde of 1 monster season benefitted by playing with a league superstar and his dedicated setup man…Hartman’s game has red warning signs all over it…he looked slow and overmatched to start this season and reverted back to his sandpaper game to try and salvage his playing time and that just resulted in penalties and an injury in a fight, his prolonged injury is actually helping to blurry his dreadful start and gives himself an excuse at the end of the year for why it was so bad. Next season is obviously key more so in regards to where he will play on the roster…
Zuccy’s agent will argue he’s the next Pavelski and can still produce at a high point output as Kaprizov’s right hand man even though his overall skillset will start to decline as he gets older, his style game can still be effective as he ages, especially with Kirill….I think he’ll get a 2 year extension to align with Kirill, but I suspect he’ll be down a bit in the $5 range Pavelski got…
Lol, this board is so fun!
I know Brock personally. I can tell you first hand of his demeanor and work ethic
We need more than just that!
Are we talking about you saw him slack on a drill during a squirt practice 20 years ago?
He didn’t rewind the tapes while working at Blockbuster as a teenager?
He was cocky because he thought he was better than every other kid he played against as a 16 year old? (he was)
He (god forbid) didn’t study hard at UND?
Zuccy and Pavelski are one in the same so yeah that’s why I think he comes back on a similar contract, slight haircut maybe and short term. Pavelski did that to play with Robo just like I expect Zuccy will to play Kirill.
Agree Hartman is an enigma – but $1.7m was a team friendly deal even when he was that bottom 6 winger. He is criminally underpaid. If his remaining season and half here are somewhere in between bottom 6 winger and #1C then there will be teams lining up to give him $4-$5m AAV. Tough to lose Hartman considering the lack of center depth in the organization.
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I know Brock personally. I can tell you first hand of his demeanor and work ethicWe need more than just that!
Are we talking about you saw him slack on a drill during a squirt practice 20 years ago?
He didn’t rewind the tapes while working at Blockbuster as a teenager?
He was cocky because he thought he was better than every other kid he played against as a 16 year old? (he was)
He (god forbid) didn’t study hard at UND?
I don’t want to get into how I know him, but I have known him and his family for years have seen him train up close for many years and know his game pretty well. Probably more so than any other NHL player.
There is a reason he was going to be healthy scratched the other night. He has an elite shot and it ends there. He does not work hard off the puck at all and let’s just say his off season commitment is less than stellar.
I’d love to hear about other “gettable” options that are better than 2.5 seasons of Beosser and don’t require giving up alot for him? (speculating on what’s been reported as being offered for him sofar) You love to point out the negatives in doing a deal (I guess they all just focus on his aav?) but what happens if he takes off with Boldy and they give us another dynamic duo that can produce like last year? Would you not be fine with a $6.6 aav winger who scores 25-30+ goals?
If he doesn’t work out, you eat 50% of his caphit for a year and trade him…I’d rather take that chance vs hoping Petan/Steel/Beckman can somehow learn to score in the NHL…
Yes I think we’d all be happy if the absolute best case scenario happened, wtf. But what happens if he’s Alex Galchenyuk? The history of high-paid struggling 25 year olds needing a change of scenery is not a good one…
If he doesn’t work out just trade him??? Remember when Billy G said they’d need to trade like 3 guys to afford Fiala? And then all the fans said that. Well they’d need to do the same to afford Boeser. If he doesn’t work out they have 2 more seasons at a cap hit that will gut their depth and get Billy G canned no questions asked!
Agree Hartman is an enigma – but $1.7m was a team friendly deal even when he was that bottom 6 winger. He is criminally underpaid. If his remaining season and half here are somewhere in between bottom 6 winger and #1C then there will be teams lining up to give him $4-$5m AAV. Tough to lose Hartman considering the lack of center depth in the organization.
I think if we didn’t already have a set “3rd” line with GREEF, Hartman would be a good candidate to play in that role (forechecker who knows how to put the puck in the net if presented with the opportunity) but it’s either top 6 (we should have that filled out in 1.5 seasons) or 4th line and I think GMBG FINALLY realizes a 4th line comprised of rookie minimum contracts and maybe a vet is the best use of capspace, so anybody making over $1-1.5 should be excluded as the benefit of that player over a minumum contract isn’t worth it…
Hartman is also a terrible center (terrible on draws, average at best defensively, not a pure passer, not a puck possesion/zone entry player) it’s why up until last season he hasn’t played center for years…
Maybe Chuck Fletcher offers him $5 to play center, but unless the Wild needs him to replace Foligno or Greenway, i’d probably pass on his next deal…We have players like Duhaime who could take his role much cheaper and will still be under team control in 2 years…
Other options?? They don’t need to commit to a high paid top 6 winger for 3 years – just because Boeser is the only option doesn’t mean he’s a good option.
The other options are to pay draft picks for rental forwards if the team is good enough the next couple years.
Hartman is also a terrible center (terrible on draws, average at best defensively, not a pure passer, not a puck possesion/zone entry player) it’s why up until last season he hasn’t played center for years…
WTF?!?! He’s played center 1 season in his career and finished 5th in the entire NHL with 33 5v5 goals.
Joe what did you do this weekend? I’m a little concerned
Yes I think we’d all be happy if the absolute best case scenario happened, wtf. But what happens if he’s Alex Galchenyuk? The history of high-paid struggling 25 year olds needing a change of scenery is not a good one…
If he doesn’t work out just trade him??? Remember when Billy G said they’d need to trade like 3 guys to afford Fiala? And then all the fans said that. Well they’d need to do the same to afford Boeser. If he doesn’t work out they have 2 more seasons at a cap hit that will gut their depth and get Billy G canned no questions asked!
He has 15 points in 19 games sofar this season! He’d be 4th in scoring on our team right now…
What do you consider “Work out”????? What is Success or Failure with Boesser in your mind?
The last year or two of the kids family/personal life sounds like an absolute tragedy, yet his game is punished because he maybe couldn’t focus very much every night because his mind was focused on whats happening 1,500 miles away? All that going on and he still scored 23 goals each of the last 2 seasons…
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Hartman is also a terrible center (terrible on draws, average at best defensively, not a pure passer, not a puck possesion/zone entry player) it’s why up until last season he hasn’t played center for years…WTF?!?! He’s played center 1 season in his career and finished 5th in the entire NHL with 33 5v5 goals.
Joe what did you do this weekend? I’m a little concerned
I’m talking about the Center skillsets…He’s a beneficiary of who he played with…why didn’t he do anything the previous 7 years in the NHL? Jack the Chimp could have put up 40 points playing 1C between the Bromance last year…
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Joe what did you do this weekend? I’m a little concerned
Is “tswoboda” really just a Matthew Oates burner account?
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You don’t think there are any other wings available on the trade market especially the closer they get to the deadline?
Joe he was 5th in the NHL with 33 even strength goals… that’s a lot different than 40 points.
I never said the Wild should pay him $5m, just that there will be GMs offering that. The point is with even a decent season he’ll need a significant raise if they want to keep him. There’s no bringing him back at $2.5m – either he gets a raise, minimum double what he’s making now, or he’s gone. And if they don’t keep him then Rossi better hit.
Is “tswoboda” really just a Matthew Oates burner account?
Yes and I owe Hartsy big time after that last deal. Just putting in the work in the trenches ya know
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